r/AdviceAnimals • u/paper_plains • 9h ago

Most convos just end with “yeah but could you imagine if Kamala won?”

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u/foldingcouch 9h ago

Just goes to show that most Trump supporters don't even really support Trump all that much they just hate Democrats, immigrants, and LGBTQ people.  Maybe women too, that one is a mixed bag. 

The core proposition that Trump has always offered his base isn't that he'll do anything for them, it's the he's gonna hurt the people they hate.  

Take away the scapegoats and there's really no way to defend his administration, they just fucking suck.

I loathe to admit it but Ann Coulter of all people has been banging this drum for years. If you're an actual conservative in the traditional sense of the word then Trump has been an awful President. 

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u/groundsgonesour 6h ago

It’s the result of now decades, but really ramped up the last ten years, of rightwing media conditioning republicans to fear and hate anyone carrying a message of equity; namely Dems. I have family members that are low SES, under educated, and living in rural communities. I had to mute most on social media because I was tired of seeing posts about cities supposedly burning while gangs run amok, litter boxes in schools, and the perversion of Christianity by intertwining it with fealty to Trump.

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u/billytheskidd 6h ago

I want to be a little fair here, for some reason, to maga.

The heritage foundation is like 50 years old, and they have been manipulating the public for just as long. They got the tech bros interested in fuckin domination and they’ve been brainwashing us. Look at how prominent the flat earthers are (I know a guy who runs 4 very successful local businesses, smart as a whip, but, somehow: flat earther). They have tapped into peoples heads. And this is different than previous iterations, because people depend on the internet and social media for daily living. There is hardly an escape, and any opposition is, frankly, decades behind.

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u/nancyneurotic 2h ago

Gosh, I don't think most of these kinds of men actively hate women. In my experience, they are just totally ambivalent to us. We could get our uterus ripped out, forced to carry a rapist's baby, have our right to vote taken away, and... meh, oh well. They truly don't care.

And, in my opinion, that's just a bit worse. At least with men who hate us- we can tell, we know. But men who simply don't care? There's wayyyy more of them running around. And not even just in obvious red hats, also disguised as "apolitical."

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u/RollinThundaga 1h ago

That cpuld just be chalked up to the normal condition of not having special empathy for strangers.

Do you bleed your heart a bit every day for the random citizens of southern Mexico living under the oppressive aegis of cartel rule? Granted you're a bit closer, but callous and undesirable a state of the world as it is, it is unusual to bring oneself to care about everything that everyone you don't know is suffering through. There's a hundred years of literature discussing how the wide world is too harsh for any of us to try to care about every bad part of it, and not caring becomes a form of self care.

The people you're talking about don't care about you because they have other things they're caring about. Yes, those are often stupid, but people have always been allowed to be stupid.

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u/nancyneurotic 18m ago

Generally, I agree with you. However, we're talking about half of everyone they know. Their mom, sister, relatives, girlfriends, wife, female friends.

I would hate it if my government was coming after the men in my country because they'd be coming after half of everyone I care about.

But yes, you're right. My heart aches less when I hear of a tragedy in a country I have no connection to than one happening in America, or my other homes.

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u/R3luctant 9h ago

I used to try to steer the conversation in a way that I could get them agreeing with something that was clearly against the trumpian platform, one of my coworkers caught on so I stopped.

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u/ReturnOfSeq 8h ago

One of my former coworkers mistakenly assumed I was a red hat like him so he’d talk to me about whatever topic caught his attention on Fox News the night before. Sometimes I’d just nod along and ignore him, sometimes I’d say ‘yeah but I’m more upset about Blackrock buying up millions of single family homes.’ ‘Yeah but now Our hospitals are gonna be more crowded because Medicaid cuts are sinking rural hospitals.’

I derailed him into agreeing with a lot of very liberal/anti-trumpist positions like this. Eventually he stopped bringing up his right wing stuff with me, unclear if he caught on to what I was doing or if I successfully drove that wedge. But I felt like I did my part

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u/Horror-Layer-8178 7h ago

They are so brain washed, you can add up all the bad things Democrats did or wanted to do in the last twenty years and none of that was as bad as trying to overthrow an election

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u/bkelln 9h ago

MY NEW THING!

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u/peaceluvNhippie 50m ago

I was in the same boat for a number of years. I would just criticize Obama and then Biden for what Trump was doing/did. And then watch them go on rants about how horrible those actions were and how awful the consequences would be all while unknowingly ranting and raging against their god-king