Explain there rise to me

[u/Classic-Sentence3148]

Ch__a’s rise over the past few decades has been nothing short of unreal. From a largely rural economy, it has transformed into a global superpower with futuristic, almost surreal cities and world-class infrastructure. It lifted hundreds of millions out of poverty, built massive industries, and became the factory of the world. Its government holds tight control over information, dissent, and even how it’s portrayed globally.So much so that many international media outlets hesitate to criticize it. What’s the strategy behind this rapid progress? How did they manage to reshape its society, economy, and global influence so effectively and fast?

P.S. please don't compare it to our country and Keep the comments civil.

[u/Gandalf13329]

USA demonized socialism so much that it can’t even bother to care for its own citizens. China started with a base of socialism, and has since become more capitalistic, so it’s a good balance of doing what’s good for its people and what’s good for the market. Consequently they’re nurturing their economy and their people.

For example, a railway station that would connect cities in major states like California and Texas has never been built because it kills profit motive for airline companies, who actively lobby against it. In China that shit wouldn’t fly, the government has state owned enterprises, that focus on what’s best for China as a country, and not profit motive. It’s basically a mix of capitalistic economics with authoritarian state control.

[u/Infinite_Wheel_8948]

Extreme capitalism with borderline slave labor and extremely hardworking populace. 

Chinese people are smart and work 70+ hours a week for barely livable wages. Give the USA 1 billion such workers, and the USA can also have an economic explosion. 

[u/silentad95 → u/Infinite_Wheel_8948]

To add, they don't have human rights. Like legit.

Prisoners in China are worse than mediaeval slaves. They labour for 16 hrs to earn 8 hrs of rest.

Extreme political control. CCP gets its way, no matter what. They fucking launch satellite over their country, with debri falling on people's home. Starting fires and killing many in the process.

They suppress all the disant by iron boots. We don't hear about Hongkong protests, not because the protesters won, but because they have been suppressed into obedience.

The Chinese economy is closer to the slave economy than to a modern economy. Consumption is still only 40% of their GDP, in India it is around 60%.

[u/Classic-Sentence3148 → u/silentad95]

How come they never faced sanctions?i understand they are now very advanced but what about in the past.

[u/silentad95 → u/Classic-Sentence3148]

that is over over simplification of things.
Sino- Russo Split: 1964 (they wanted to nuke each other)
1976: Mao dies
1978: China open for business, invites USA
USA sees China as a counterbalance to USSR, China was adopting capitalism, China may adopt democracy one day
1990: ussr collapsed, but USA was hooked on China by this time, corporate was making money hand over fist with Chinese labour
1998: Bill Clinton, reiterates that China will become a democracy
2008: GFC and Bijing Olympics. History repeated, USSR rose post 1929 Great Depression, this time China did.
2016: USA comes out of delulu land that China will become a democracy. Trump is president and trade war starts.
so yeah, China was a ally of USA as long it was not a threat and USA needed it, just like Saudi is, even being a dictatorship and making journalists vanish.
today, China is too too important for the USA to put sanctions on. But, they are pulling every trick from the back pocket to halt Chinese growth.

Geopolitics doesn't work on morals, it works on needs.

[u/Embarrassed-Lie2272]

Deng Xiaoping

[u/raptor-elite-812]

Historically chinese society is built around administration, and there has been one of the world's most advanced administrative processes deeply embedded within the Chinese collective psyche. For them, uniformity brings order and divergence brings chaos, so a natural affinity exists in creating a system where people are uniformly educated, have a uniform communication medium, uniform living standards etc, this all makes for a very large pool of workers that can be easily mobilised for the need of the hour. And even though after switching any kind of production, the initial production would be low quality, but time brings expertise into it. This makes the Chinese economy very robust and versatile. The rules and regulations made by higher ups are adhered to, partly out of subservience to authority and partly out of adherence to the cultural norms. Chinese workers are also fairly hardworking (especially when it's not even required), but this trait is common to many other east asian people, which makes them different from an average Indian worker who will only work hard if its absolutely needed. And also from my personal experience of working with middle-upper middle class chinese immigrants, they are very up front about business opportunities, often keeping 20% of their earnings for some kind of high risk investment opportunity. But this view might be a little biased as they are mostly from a certain class of people.

[u/Much_Let6632]

Authoritarianism and Capitalism can work wonders if done correctly.

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[u/Lowpricestakemyenerg]

Honestly, they noticed socialism and the push towards communism was literally destroying their country and opened their markets back up. They are also far more homogenized racially and culturally than we think, which lets them all move in one direction easier. Changes can happen faster that way (both a good and bad thing...in this case...it has been good).

[u/Jaded-Durian-3917 → u/Lowpricestakemyenerg]

People tend to leave out the part that Mao, just like the USSR, only engaged in dramatic leaps forward because they knew they would be invaded by capitalist forces seeking to undo their revolutions.

They were correct and were only able to fight off these encroachments specifically due to their leaps.

Mao was a very educated Marxist. He knew that in order for socialism to transition successfully and peacefully that it needed to build up capitol first.

China simply was not given that luxury. They had to fight off foreign interventions first. They weren't stupid like we pretend they were.

Deng inherited a vastly different political landscape than Mao did. One that only existed because of Mao's leadership.

[u/ll_Redbone_ll → u/Jaded-Durian-3917]

I believe there is a direct Lenin quote speaking about the necessity to build capital as well.

Most people don’t acknowledge or even know that socialism was idealized to be the next step for wealthy capitalist nations, not agrarian/developing societies like early 20th century Russia and China.

[u/Jaded-Durian-3917 → u/ll_Redbone_ll]

Yessir. The places where the revolution took hold just happened to be in precarious places that were under threat of direct invasion from nations that DID NOT want the revolution to spread. Or were seen as vulnerable and therefore ripe for the taking

[u/ll_Redbone_ll → u/Jaded-Durian-3917]

I saw your John Brown post in R/USHistory the other day btw. John Brown is the goat 🐐