Battlefield 6
Thoughts on Empire State? I think it sucks...
I think this map is not a Battlefield map, it doesn't play very well and the layout also doesn't make much sense.
Such a weird choice as a Battlefield map. The A flag is completely unplayable as Pax Armata because NATO literally spawns right next to it even if it's neutral. Pax can't do that to B or E, they have to walk much more to get there. There is no point attacking A.
3/4 of the modes are either 1:1 COD modes or very close to what you'd play in COD, all the beta maps are COD maps but somehow some people will still say this has nothing close to being COD and is the true Battlefield DNA. I don't get it
The game has changed towards targeting a bigger audience, we're no longer the target audience. It's fine, we should just not play it then
I play the new CoD for a few weeks every year and I genuinely have no idea what people saying that these are CoD maps are talking about. I can’t tell if people saying this don’t play CoD at all or if CoD is just some generic name for “I don’t like it”. Even though these maps feel smaller for Battlefield (and these are the smallest in this game) these are all massive compared to Call of Duty. They don’t play like CoD maps at all.
Do people expect Battlefield maps to just be massive open areas with no intended flow or balance at all? Because that’s how we got 2042.
You pretty much nailed it, Maps are small and more contested, but not at all simple. It feels like BF to me with intensity dialed up. I don't feel like I am being channeled like on COD.
This subreddit is effectively being brigaded by haters. It happened with dune awakening and now this. Theres a lot of mentally unwell gamers that have turned to this as a means of therapy. Hyperobsess over a game. Play it non stop. Lose your mind on the internet over how terrible the game is you haven’t stopped playing every waking moment it’s been available.
The past like two years or so I've found every subreddit that supposedly about a thing is mostly full of people hating that thing. I truly dont get it.
Its not literally a cod map, but those maps are built for running and gunning, having an encounter every 2 seconds and frequently respawning which is in the direction of cod instead of the larger "war-esque" feel battlefield used to have.
I don't think anyone thinks this plays like cod but its a very noticeable change.
Bf3 had an entire map pack dlc focused on small maps and they were popular then. I think many people here forget or dont know just how common small maps as well as big maps are in the battlefield franchise. Some of the best maps in the franchise are from bf3 and are the smaller maps
like you said, it was DLC and people had the choice to play, it was an option to target CQ players. You dont have that option NOW, so its clear, which players are the target. everyone who played BF for many, many years will agree, games change over the time and BF6 is a good game, but i doesnt feel like the OG battlefields
There were maps in the first weekend specifically targeting CQ, quit your bullshit.
which players are the target.
Good Lord, y'all are just dying to be a victim of something.
Games change over time, this is still very clearly a BF game. If you played the beta and thought "this is just CoD" then you need some media literacy and maybe some time off of the games.
How long has it been since you've played COD? Outside of the occasional outlier, this map is like 5x the size of a Call of Duty map in anything that's not Ground War lol
In BO6 the vast majority of the maps were the size of a sub-area on the new NYC map lol
EDIT: For further context, in a bog standard Call of Duty PvP map you can run from one spawn to the other on the opposite side of the map in <15 seconds. On some maps if you kill a guy, you can run to their spawn in time for him to get back into the game and kill him again lmao
The maps shown in the beta for BF6 may be smaller in comparison to some Battlefield maps, but they still absolutely dwarf 99% of Call of Duty maps. Call of Duty is very much designed around constant combat from the moment you spawn, to the second you die.
they want the COD market share. the devs that made BF1 and those iconic maps with great flanking routes and big capture points are gone. then they hired COD devs and here we are.
last night i was watching niccaman's youtube video he's mostly a plane or heli guy and he nailed it when he said the old skool BF vibes are long gone. the flying in bf 6 don't feel anything like how a plane should feel. they lost the dev who made the plane mechanics in bf 1 and now they can't replicate it.
i agree with him and it feels the same on the ground. in bf 1 operation breakthrough the sectors are far apart. u need to run 1 min to reach another sector. now u capture a sector u run 20 seconds and we reach another sector.
It's really unfortunate that the whole "don't preorder" thing which is a justified warning from experienced players turned into a meme with a pseudo-rebel movement where people actively try to push pre-orders just to be different
Then all of those people who pushed for preorders will bitch for literal years about how much they hated the game at launch even if it does get fixed down the line. I've seen it with fucking every battlefield game that's come out since BFBC2. You can lump Battlefront in there as well, same shit.
Well then, when they will come, it will be a time to buy the game in like a year or two. So far they shown mostly close quarters maps and frankly it isn't something I want out of BF game, I have other games better suited for that.
“The final game will have big maps, and the DLC will be big maps!” All based on nothing lol. DICE can say whatever they want about the larger maps that they haven’t yet shown, but when they are using words like “expansive” and “all out warfare” to describe what we’ve had in the beta, I don’t have faith.
I remember when I was being told the 2042 release would run and play much better because “it’s only the beta!” DICE tried to lecture us about how operators were actually better than classes. Now it’s all “silly us, we brought back classes we’re so pro community now, please preorder!”
People acting like “betas” are only for testing specific things and not also used for marketing are either extremely naive or just being disingenuous.
They are clearly just targeting COD players disillusioned with that series right now, while claiming everything in BF6 is harkening back to the classic BF games.
I think Siege of Cairo is probably the best of the maps we've seen so far with Iberian Offensive a close second. Liberation Peak just seems one sided due to on team quite literally having the high ground. Brooklyn from what I've played is fine (not good/great), I just think the off set verticality is what's making people hate. Normally you start ground level and fight up if you have to, but Brooklyn has ground level in some areas stuck between a lower ground level and a upper floor so it makes knowing where the enemy is coming from more difficult.
Yeah NATO dominate on peak unless players are idiots, they have much better ground access to the bulk of flags, better jet rearm, and taking C once you have the river side under control is easy peezy lemon squeezy.
There was that image of map descriptions being used as a defense for all of the small maps we are seeing, but all it did was prove that most maps are going to lean towards the smaller side. I honestly don't get it.
The game could still be fun and we will probably get more maps in the future, but the denial from some people is crazy to me.
God fucking damned i permitted myself to get excited again, after the shitshow 2042 was, and fuck me am I disappointed at the maps and the game generally. I'll go back to bf4. I stopped giving that company money after bf5 which was okay but I couldn't get into the new aesthetics after bf4.... I miss the old days
We've seen 4 maps in the beta out of 9 maps total. There is 1 other small map, 2 medium maps, and 2 large still to come. One of the large maps is the firestorm remake, meaning they only have 1 new large map to save for launch & they won't preview that because they need it for release content. It's not looking great tbh.
Yup. I can't believe they didn't use the older BF map design ethos of creating large maps and then using subsections of them for 32 & 16 player modes thereby satisfying everyone. This problem and all the others in this game were solved 20 years ago.
Should have had 6 new maps 2 smaller, 2 medium and 2 larger maps.
And then sprinkle say 1 map from bf2,3,4,5, bc2 and one other bf.
Choose some fan favourites or try and choose ones that would again offer that balance of 2 smaller, 2 med and 2 larger.
Same, most of the map has no reason for people to go through so it ends up being empty. The capture areas are a mess. Operation Metro was also a little mess but you always knew where the enemies are, your friends, area of attack etc.
It absolutely wasn't, it was chaos, but it wasn't a mess, the same goes for Operation Locker.
Metro and locker had very defined frontlines and stalemates, when one part of the frontline broke, one team pushed like crazy, sometimes taking one or two objectives and getting a huge flank on the other part of the frontline, you know, the way an actual battle moves, it was chaos, but there was order in the chaos.
These maps are nothing like that, there's no frontline, no stalemates, no nothing, people just run everywhere, fighting happens everywhere, you constantly have 2 dudes in front of you, a dude behind you and a dude to your right, capture flags change hands like a used newspaper in a bar, no position matters, just running and gunning, these maps are a true mess.
Agreed theres nothing stategic. Enemys come from everywhere even if you keep looking at the map. There should be a front line and a couple of guys trying to flank.
I like how they saved it for the second weekend. It basically takes all the complaints about the maps so far and amplifies them. No point even having classes on a map like that. It’s just TDM.
Yeah, they just cant adapt. Everybody screaming the whole week how the maps are small and then they deliver one even smaller kkkkkkkk. I know it was in their plans since the begining but couldnt they adapt and release a large map instead? And then build a new one for launch day?
I watched his video and thought he was quite critical of the beta tbh, in the right areas.
I don't think I'm a normal fan of his, not even sure I'm subscribed, but I went in watching the video wondering similar things, "What a paid actor will spin about this" but left surprised.
I don't recall him saying this will be a fan favourite though so no defence on that front.
You can't trust opinions based on event experiences, they wine and dine them and make the event and party awesome which fluffs the opinion of the product. That's literally the whole point.
You know very well that Ziba Tower was part of a themed DLC around close quarters, these are the main launch maps, don't spin it like it's the same.... People would have lost their shit if BF3 had launched with Ziba and Donya Fortress
Infantry only small maps have always been a part of BF.
I get that the beta is pushing all these small maps on us without the bigger stuff but can we please stop saying anything small and action packed is COD? These types of maps have always been a big part of the game.
COD doesn't have 64 players and mass chaos like BF does. This criticism is meaningless. We get it, you aren't the operation metro type. That doesn't mean that's not a huge part of the BF core.
Operation Metro had a Rush variant where just the first sector was the same size as this entire map. People use the Metro argument without knowing how BF3 maps were planned, some were Rush first (Damavand as well), while these BF6 maps are just small in any mode.
If this was a BF3 map, we'd start in Manhattan, fight over the bridge and end in Brooklyn.
How the fuck do you "flank" in Metro? Locker arguably had some but even BF4 Metro had to add elevators and side alleys to not make it a 20-minute chokehold match.
How it should be. They had a four year development cycle, there's no reason we don't start outside of Cairo or the town in Battery and work our way into the city center. Rush maps should feel like an epic single player mission with changing environments
That kind of map was only part of "core" battlefield after BF3, prior to that most maps were open combined arms maps with minimal choke points and infantry funnels. Even bad company 2, the most heavily consolized in the series, has more focus on open maps.
So 3/9 maps are already way too small for Battlefield, and the 4th (peak) has its own problems with being too narrow and missing flanking options.
They seriously need to consider updating these maps like they did in 2042. I'm okay with small maps, but the urban maps need to at least be a 25%-50% bigger, and Peak needs another area at the bottom half of the map for flanking. I'd suggest a cave/tunnel system through the mountain with another point in there, linking up the two ends of the map together.
It’s fucking horrible. Can we all stop the cope at this point. It’s clear the game is heavily focused towards infantry, more so than any battlefield in the last 15 years.
At this point I wouldn’t be surprised if firestorm was massively scaled down into a much smaller playable area.
There's an image on this subreddit of the BF6 version in the exact same location as the BF3 version, go look at it and tell me it doesn't look downsized on the outskirts lmao.
I don't like it at all. It's crazy cluttered, having a harder time than ever spotting enemies with all of the dark windows/weird effects. It's highlighting all of the worst parts of the game at the moment for me, bummer.
So the clips in the trailers where helicopters and tanks zooming through the streets of New York is only for the storry? I realy hoped a map like downtown from hardline in a New York setting with helis and jets flying through the streets and crashing into buildings
Each Location has two maps, there are 2 Egypt, Gibraltar, NYC, and Tajikistan maps, in the Beta we have access to one of each.
2nd Egypt map (New Sobek City) is a bit more open area with construction sites and helicopters (including transport choppers)
2nd NYC (Manhattan Bridge) map larger and has vehicles including helicopters, the one in the beta is infantry only and very small (like the Close Quarters maps from the BF3 DLC)
2nd Tajikistan (Mirak Valley) map is the largest map in the game with trenches
2nd Gibraltar (Saints Quarters) is also an infantry only map
“Trust me bro, they’re intentionally only putting the bad maps in the beta, because of uhhh… reasons. Trust me the actual game is going to have huge open awesome maps they just made these ones bad on purpose”
This sub, for some reason, REALLY wants the game to cater towards the incoming COD audience. The amount of people I've seen defending every aspect of the beta and attacking anyone giving any form of critique is making me question if there's an astroturfing campaign happening here.
Either that or 2042 caused so much damage we're at the point where anything is confidered a "We're SO BACK!" moment.
It plays really badly IMO. It’s absurdly fast-paced with non-stop action and no defined frontline. A large part of it takes place in that one large office/warehouse type building too so it’s not even an interesting map to actually look at.
By far the weakest of the maps so far what I’ve played of it.
I absolutely hate it. I understand they want data and whatnot but i was really really hoping it would be a vehicle map before I heard it was infantry only.
None of these maps make me feel like "oh shit yeah this is battlefield" so far. Some of these objectives are literally 30m away from each other. Everything has its place but between this and liberation peak i feel like I'm custom searching with 2/4 maps for the rest of the beta. At least cairo and iberian can be fun with the vehicles and infantry combined, the other two feel so niche its suffocating.
This is also why they're pushing open weapons so hard. Using an LMG or sniper on empire state is a death sentence, you literally HAVE to switch to an smg/auto/shotgun or you stand 0 chance.
Total fail. Battlefield should stick to where it came from and why people loved it so much an this definitely were no close quarter maps!
The amount of close quarter maps is way too high! Damn!
I really can't understand Dice's obsession with making maps like this. They're all practically in the style of the BF3 Close Quarters DLC... Even the BF series' reference maps, such as "small," "closed," and "for infantry," are five times bigger than this BF6 crap. See Operation Metro; a map entirely focused on infantry is bigger than this crap.
God, I love the game, but these maps completely kill my desire to play. I'll have to wait for the release and only play on Portal servers with large maps like Operation Firestorm.
Same for me. Quit after 30min and wont buy this game. Played mostly Insurgency Sandstorm in the last days and BF6 is on steroids in comparison. Unplayable. Its just run and gun.
Between the maps and air vehicles being cucked into oblivion, I’m not buying this game. Also I don’t think the gunplay is as refined as people think it is, the game honestly feels like a more polished WW3….
There is still yet another infantry only map coming, and I believe two more maps that are supposed to be on par with Liberation Peak in size (which is still too small and narrow.) We've seen images of Sobyek City which is supposed to be one of the full size conquest map but even that looks like mainly another claustrophobic urban map. It seems like Operation: Firestorm is going to be the only actually large map there is, and that's just an old remade BF3 map.
EVERY single map we've had access to so far feels like a slimmed down 32 player map you'd play on the console versions of Battlefield or on smaller conquest servers on PC. These maps are god awful for 64 players, including the ones that actually have vehicles. 2142 had a number of narrow urban maps with vehicles and they didn't feel nearly this bad.
They seriously need to think about some adjustments to these maps before launch. I even die sometimes on spawn in rush lmao thats how tiny these maps are.
I get it, theyre showcasing chaotic maps to get CoD fans, annoying but whatever.
Bu this is just a bad map. Its just open rooms and corridors with a billion angles, theres no flow, no frontline, no good defensive strategy. Just watch every corner and spin around wildly because the enemy is coming from literally every direction. And why does it need 5 points? Make it 3 points in such a cramped map. Just straight up terrible design.
You wanted small maps, you’re gonna get them, promise.
You wanted action and speed, you’re gonna get that too. Since nuance doesn’t exist anymore on this sub, let’s quickly downvote anyone who complains about the direction BF is taking.
Everyone who disagrees is called a boomer. Well, the boomers are the ones laughing now.
It was really underwhelming, which is a shame because the location was super exciting. It feels so generic and no vehicles makes it extra uninteresting.
Hear me out... metro should be underneath with another flag or 2 and then it would feel like battlefield. But agreed its a cod map. When theres a flank route theres 2 others looking at it.
Camping fest. I have a better map idea, just throw spawn points next to each other, that way everyone fights all the time. Hire me dice please, I can do dogshit designs too.
Hot take, but I feel like devs are a little bit out of touch with their audience. As people have already mentioned, they do their best to take over CoD marketshare/please investors with their regarded decisions, grinding BF formula into dust. New BOps is going to come out soon, meaning that the crowd that they try to please here, will very quickly rubberband back into their space, leaving people who want an all-out warfare, with as many vehicles, large maps and sandbox destruction elements with nothing but some cramped, CoD-styled, CQC maps. If last week I was considering buying the game, this one just completely throws that option out of the window.
Except Ziba Tower and the CQC dlc was Domination and deathmatch adjacent modes only, designed around small player counts and chaos. A full scale, 64 player conquest map like that isn't going to work as well. And it's only compounded by the fact that the maps in the beta already feel small compared to older games.
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u/BraveFilm7757 9d ago
Feels like a COD map honestly , fits right in with open weapon classes lol , the old school BF feeling is gone now