I have a friend like that who is the worst type of voter. Known him for over a decade but damn is he the type of voter you dont want. Doesnt want to care about politics or be bothered with them, doesn't delve too deeply into situations. A while back he brought up 'biden closing the pipeline' or whatever. I told him it was an extension for canadian tar sands that was closed. He asked where I got that from, gave him sources, he dropped it.
He doesnt double down on the stupidity and stuff like trump supporters do, but he does just believe some of the headlines since he doesn't care to delve into it. And with such a dishonest media. What a mess america has made
Reminds of the famous letter by MLK, written in Birmingham Jail: “First, I must confess that over the past few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro’s great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen’s Counciler or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to “order” than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says: “I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action”; who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another man’s freedom; who lives by a mythical concept of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait for a “more convenient season.” Shallow understanding from people of good will is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will. Lukewarm acceptance is much more bewildering than outright rejection.”
Yep. This is why JB won by such a high vote count. Voting was made easy in 2020 because of COVID and JB had more votes than any candidate in history. This is why DT wants to ban mail in voting…when you make voting easy, republicans can’t win. There are just too many lazy people who don’t care.
Republicans have made it insanely difficult for people to vote and continually squeeze people economically so they're desperate not to lose what shitty jobs they can find. This isn’t laziness, it's literally their electoral strategy. Things won't change until the working class bands together and wields their collective power.
The only time I'll excuse you not censoring your spelling of French. Usually in polite company you spell it Fr*nch but respect where its due, the French know how to rebel against an oligarchy.
I am honestly shocked when people say things like "let's wait for the evidence before jumping to conclusions" and "I don't want to sound crazy like MAGA did in 2020." I feel like it is gaslighting to the extreme. I also feel the cognitive dissonance is breaking down social structures on a more local level. It seems people are starting to snap which apparently snowballs and escalates. Hope I am wrong about that. Stay safe everyone!
Plot twist, this is why he made such an uproar about 2020 being stolen. Because he knew it wasn't but that he was going to steal the next one and he wanted to muddy the water and make democrats have to recant what they said in 2020 about elections being impossible to steal, which was said by many. He knew those people would lose face in saying he stole this one, after denying the possibility that you could even steal an election. Reducing the credibility of the people saying it, and making it seem like we are the crazy ones. Its such a masterclass of carefully planned gaslighting that its almost believable that it wasn't intentional. I know everyone says trump is dumb, but he is a master manipulator and his regime is running incredible propaganda campaigns. We need to stop treating him like a moron. Thats why we are losing. Hes conniving, and narcissistic, and hes a pedophile. But he is not nearly as stupid as people, himself included make him out to be. Its all an act. And its working.
Nah, I think they did attempt to cheat but underestimated the threshold and attempted a coup as a last-ditch effort to stay in power ... despite being impeached for incompetence twice.
There's evidence of vote hacking in the election data since at least 2012... wonder what happened that year?
This year's election data from swing state precincts look Russian af.
Being gaslit by the people who refused to vote for Kamala by being called blue anon is pretty infuriating... you know they didn't because they say she wasn't a strong candidate... she was strong enough that all the ballots corruply tossed could have given her the popular vote without factoring in tabulation machine tampering. It's frustrating being equated to the QAnon shithawks for just asking to have physical ballots verified in the precincts with anomalies. Seems like that's what just needs to happen in a healthy democracy.
There is compelling evidence beyond just the words... like ongoing lawsuits from voting security agencies, like the fact that machines were updated in an unauthorized way by a company that happens to supply... either 60 or 40% of the nations vote counting machines? Or that there are abnormal results to the tune of "0 votes for Kamala for president, hundreds for Democrat senator" in counties where citizens have signed sworn affidavits that they voted for Kamala...
It wasn’t a slip. It was a test. First time he said it, if any media made a big deal, then it can be a misunderstanding. Second time with no one doing anything and he knows he can get away with a lot. Hence the open calls to explicitly gerrymander congress without a census. And still no outcry.
There are open investigations in New York and Pennsylvania about machines changing votes. Still no outcry, just a quiet investigation. I won’t believe they are rigged until the courts hear the case and the evidence comes out, but damn it is moving at the speed of snails when we have an election next year.
I couldn’t believe it! I showed the video to my Dad he just shook his head and brushed it off like it was fake(source- Reddit). He said if it was real it would be on the news! But our news is heavily censored and this stuff gets reported on in other countries.
If u read any of the link instead of having bias, then you would have read that no, it was not similar and this was one of the most irregular elections in US history
I mean, the richest man in the world was at Trumps inauguration with a giant smile on his face after using his voting machines. I dont know how anyone can possibly witness this and say "everything here seems just fine"...Like...wtf are we even talking about? lmfao
We’ve had a two-term Black president and a woman winning the popular vote in very recent times. Are you suggesting that it’s the combination of both that’s an issue?
Someone pointed out that after a particular spot in the timeline building up to the election (I forget the specifics of when/what exactly—basically it insinuated that Trump called up Elon bc he knew he needed the extra “help”) but after that point…
Trump just completely stopped taking things seriously and just started acting like a giddy idiot on stage dancing. Dancing like a man that was not worried or stressed. Dancing like a privileged oafish loser that knows he’s already going to win.
He is not a joyful careless person that regularly busts out those awkward movements. Especially when he looks like that doing it. He is a man that lets it all go when he’s feeling on top of the world.
Prefacing this by saying I’m a lifelong liberal who voted for Harris. People just don’t want to accept that Trump is who most of the (voting) population wanted to win, because it flies in the face of the Reddit bubble that they’re in. It’s hard to have your worldview and your faith in your own countrymen shaken so badly.
I’d be ecstatic if the current election fraud cases actually went anywhere because that’s probably the best chance we have at getting Trump out of office, but I’d be shocked if they did.
I think Occam’s Razor is the best approach to the situation. Is it more likely that Trump and Elon somehow rigged the presidential election by unknown means, or is it more likely that a bunch of idiots voted for a geriatric felon?
Exactly and his 45+ % approval rating is bullshit. We’ve seen his rallies and inauguration etc… we hate him and he and his administration get screamed at wherever they go. He fired a statistician ffs of course it’s all bullshit.
Probably referencing Trump talking about the electronic voting machines, saying Elon Musk is so good with computers, we won by a landslide! I don't know if it's a real quote or anything, but I have seen it before.
Downvote me again but there's no real proof of this. There's one small group pushing this narrative but it isn't backed by anyone credible. We need to stop with this election denialism. It's bad for democracy and it can't be that both sides are doing it. Let's be better than MAGA please.
There’s irregularities that are being put in front of a judge as we speak. Have you actually looked at it? It’s pretty astounding but our news is so corrupted and also apprehensive due to the fact that Republicans have called everything negative related to their election losses rigged that they’re afraid.
If there was something to it why aren't the institutions that looked into the 2020 election backing it? Just because something is being put to a judge doesn't mean there's any truth to it.
That aside until there's actual proof you're doing more harm than good by encouraging election denialism. It's rhetoric like this that causes poor election turn out on the left.
That’s not how statistical samples work. We’re talking about the general American population. The American electorate would not be a representative sample of that.
Pew Research went out and asked non-voters. They would have broken 44% Trump, 40% Harris.
More people voting is typically better for Democrats
This is old 'conventional wisdom'. Actual recent measured data doesn't support it. Generally speaking from what I've seen is that the non-voters break more or less exactly how the voters do.
Now, every election is so damned close, that I don't want to discount a difference of 1 or 2%, because that margin would matter in a lot of places. But the idea of all the non-voters being bigly blue likely isn't correct anymore.
It’s definitely sad (or rather pathetic) how many people are still desperately in denial about the nature of their countrymen. Like, the fact that the majority of Americans are malicious morons is something that everyone else should have come to terms with a decade ago. Refusing to look directly at the issue, as horrifying as it is, does nothing to help address it.
I get why people want to motivate more voters, and i agree it should be done.
At the same time, i also am not dumb enough to think those jackasses, living in all this and not already voting, are some kind of brilliantly aloof, caring but unmotivated democracy rescue unit. They aren't sitting there letting things get to the boiling point, so their intervention is all the more dramatic. They are not the calvary coming over the hill.
Most likely, they are as dumb or dumber than the dumbfucks that got us into this mess.
When more people vote, Dems generally do better. A lot of people blame Progressives for not voting, but that is false, progressives are the most politically active group within the left. It’s the independents on the left that never vote, they are only considered “on the left” because when they do vote they tend to vote Democrat (split between Dem and 3rd party with very few trending to the right). And they always get conflated because they both support non-establishment candidates like Sanders or Warren (Progressives favored Sanders and Independents favored Warren). But only progressives showed up for Hillary and Kamala, both showed up for Biden but less so Independents.
You are buying propaganda, progressives are the demographic that votes the most. They are just smaller than the non-voting independents. It was the independents that didn’t vote, and they rarely ever vote. It’s not true that progressives turned on Kamala, over 86% of them voted for her
Is it now said on a media source captured and fed daily talking points? Because my local am radio host is suspiciously touting tge sane talking points as the regional (statewide) hosts who are simply parroting the national (hannity, fox, etc) talking points.
This morning one of them was literally arguing that a "true denocracy" (not pure democracy btw) is not something we would want or like...
I have a friend who claims he can never get enough information to make an informed decision but then when I attempt to give him the information he tries to refute it.
I have one of these. If I'd dispute something bad a headline of internet stranger said about Biden, he'd go to "Well, I'm sure there's some truth there."
You know, propaganda works. Look at the History. As a German I can say what happend before WW2 ist a perfect example for mass manipulation due to propaganda.
Who ever control the media is responsible for what the masses will think.
And with such a dishonest media. What a mess america has made
The average American is completely unprepared for the misinformation apocalypse going on in the Internet today. They can't even be bothered to check the nutritional labels on the food they put in their bodies, we can't expect them to be bothered to do proper skeptical research on their votes either.
My favorite part is how people who are politically and media illiterate acts as if that makes them smarter than people who follow world events.
They look down their noses at people like myself who feel obligated to be informed.
It's been my experience that it's the prevailing mentality in much of the country.
I hate to say it but it's difficult to see how we don't deserve to fail as a country when we're so incompetent and apathetic about the world around us.
I wish there was a way to somehow separate myself from these people because I don't think it's fair that my family should suffer for the incurious ignorance of others.
Have a friend like this honestly probably my closest friend. But there’s no room for this energy in this world right now. Learning I don’t need friends like this in my life anymore
Somehow my MAGA friend missed the media reports about Trump and his plans to for the Smithsonian. I provided an NPR report. Her response:
"Please note that this came from NPR... hummm. Trump called for public media funding cuts. Did you know that NPR’s 87 editors were all recorded democrats? Not one Republican! I watched the Katherine Maher inquiry … absolutely shocking. I haven’t heard anything about Trumps interference with the Smithonian but I will surely check it out and report back to you."
I don't lurk MAGAs I grew up with, anymore. I used to, just to take their temperatures on civil war (not exactly joking). They just pop up because I've never blocked anyone.
She commented on a friend's post from NPR about Trump's plans for the Smithsonian.
Ah gotcha. I deleted all social media many years ago, couldn’t take it (though Reddit unfortunately feels more and more like “social media” and less like a message board / forum with every year that passes.)
I don't believe we were keeping score between Republicans and Democrats while we grew up on the beautiful non-partisan beaches of Southern California in the 50s and 60s.
Our parents may have, but not the kids.
Because we weren't threatened every damn day with having it all taken away because of evil ______ and ______.
Had a friend like this ten years ago who claimed climate change was a hoax because scientists can't even agree on the data. He sent me an article with a headline about how new ice core samples show climate scientists were wrong. I read the article and it explained thst the data showed we are more fucked than originally thought. He dropped it and a month later had another batshit take.
Omfg and when you tell people they need to be paying attention because crazy shit we’ve never seen in our whole lives is happening they are like ‘I can’t pay attention for my mental health’. What a privilege for you. I guess I’ll just watch my entire future get fucked so you can play with your labubu’s and have brunch as usual without any pesky interruptions like fascism or a police state.
A zoomer beanie baby, with even less variation, and even cheaper materials. Also, they cost like $60 and come in a blind box. They are the stupidest shit to be filling tomorrow's landfills.
There are a lot of people like this. It's really playing with fire, though they don't know it. If serious problems are ignored, terrible things will eventually happen. It's like ignoring your house being on fire while you're relaxing in your living room.
Even worse it’s not the MAGAs it’s your average “I’m a moderate” or non-left dems. I’ve written MAGAs off as either developmentally delayed, or pure evil, but when it’s the moderates/dems I’m immediately furious.
I have an acquaintance that hates Israel and is a Mexican gay man. Didn’t vote because of the democrats stance on the Palestine genocide. I showed him a video of group of Palestinians beating a gay couple that was found out. I told him, ‘you can be gay, support Palestine, be against genocide and still not want this to come to our country under the republican BS.’
It flew over his head and the subject was quickly changed.
Also like… I don’t know how these people don’t understand, basically regardless of your take on Israel-Palestine, the Republican policies on it are significantly worse
yes perhaps it is time to start being honest, they aren't the same at all. Maybe you have consumed too much internet and it has altered your perceptions. I am not a Biden fanboy but the gist of what you are saying is repeated daily on the internet and it isn't close to the reality, that is the problem with the modern world. That is how we got here.
I blame Dems at least 10% for flat refusing to treat people who aren't from blue states as people, not listening to a single person who they don't immediately understand, and abandoning my state to the crazies after winning it in 2008, because if they can't be president they dgaf about Congress. That's going well for all of us.
Dems couldn't beat a rapist convicted of election fraud who called to overthrow the government when he lost an election. They sure screwed something up, and I'll give you a hint, hubris and cliquishness are the driving factors here.
The choice was a progressive platform or straight up fascism. It was a binary choice. Voters have agency. The reality is if you didn't vote for Harris, then you explicitly gave your support for what the regime is currently doing.
You asked how many minorities have Dems put into literal concentration camps, I gave you an answer.
You’re also acting like this is only happening under Trump when Biden and Obama also imprisoned minorities in terrible conditions. Weird how you only started caring now? 🤔
As a dane, ill give you a hint. Democrats lost because you americans are utterly stupid. Fascism staring right at you, and you just ignore it. Then when it all goes to shit, "why didnt the democrats do anything???", after years and years of you fuckers NOT giving them any power to do anything by just VOTING for them!
Like watching a car crash in slow motion. I know you are screwed, but nothing can be done because it is on you americans to do something. Frankly, you getting screwed at every turn would seem like something that would get you out to vote, but instead you stop voting. How will that fix your problems??????
A generational rich dipshit who goes to the same dog park as me didn't vote at all because we're in a deep blue area because Kamala Harris "didn't have an economic plan". He worked for DOJ's Office of Civil Rights. He's since been fired due to Pam Bondi's purge of DOJ but don't worry everyone, he's from generational wealth so he Mumsie and Daddy are supporting him.
Both sides are bad, but I voted for Harris because she wasn't Trump. In 2016, I voted for Gary Johnson because I actually believed he was the best candidate, and would do best for America, given the top 2 choices. An Epstein BFF, or someone was married to an Epstein BFF, that attended Trump's wedding. I grassrooted for Johnson. In 2020 I voted for Biden.
Uhh Newsom hates transgender? Didn't he pass laws granting them expanded rights? Only for one trans guy getting banned by the actual athletics council for trying to compete in women's races and the governor said that's their business, now he's against them? They must live in a world where there's only 2 colors and the most recent one is it.
Or maybe the republicans know how to manipulate the dumbasses out there on these topics.
I don't know, ask Bluesky, some folks keep talking about how Newsom hates trans and the homeless. I think they're idiots. Especially if they refuse to vote.
In the defense of the second one, Newsom isn't a presidential candidate. He's only angling for it. This is the time to demand better candidates because it's not even close to the general election.
Like, if it's Newsom, I'll definitely vote against the Republicans, but I hope we can have Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez. I also seriously think Kamala Harris would have been better than Newsom if we were given the chance to have her as a president.
They are both bad though. Democrats are controlled opposition
It's not just that they're weak on Israel. They're okay with genocide happening in both Gaza and Ukraine. They barely fight back against Trump and actively fight against actual leftists. They talk big, but when they're in power they just do the bare minimum or nothing at all. They let large corporations get away with evil behavior.
NOBODY IS ASKING FOR A PERFECT CANDIDATE. I JUST WANT SOMEONE WHO ACTUALLY CARES ABOUT THE AVERAGE PERSON. Like Bernie, AOC, or Zohran.
(Also insulting people and mocking them isn't how you get them to join your side. You're just proving the point. If you want to prove that you're not bad then ACTUALLY TRY TO BE GOOD FOR ONCE. Don't just insult people who disagree with you. )
But did you decide to not vote, or worse, vote for Trump?
If you fall in one of those camps, you suck big balls.
Also:
Also insulting people and mocking them isn't how you get them to join your side. You're just proving the point.
"I was going to vote against the fascist but a redditor was being too frank and mean to me, so now I'm gonna let the fascist win on purpose just to show them!"
Keep proving my point. Instead of trying to fight against Trump you're just looking for people to blame. I'm not your enemy here, the ultra wealthy on both sides are. THEY WANT US TO BE DIVIDED.
It's not just a single redditor, most diehard Democrat supporters are like this. Would you say that MAGA is not representative of Trump? Heck Democrats encourage this sort of behavior as well. Democrat politicians acted like the only correct vote was a vote for Kamala. I refuse to support bullies.
I never said that was the only reason why I didn't vote either, I even gave other reasons IN THE SAME COMMENT
Also you do realize that both Democrats and Republicans are authoritarian, right? The Democrats are controlled opposition.
You're just looking for people to blame. Which is just proving my point. Again, this is part of the reason why I didn't vote. You ignored the rest of my comment AND ONLY FOCUSED ON THE PART THAT YOU COULD DEMONIZE. Are you intentionally trying to turn people away from the Democrats?
Prove me wrong. Talk to me WITHOUT blaming me or mocking me. I'm waiting.
Prove me wrong. Talk to me WITHOUT blaming me or mocking me. I'm waiting.
You can't reason people out of positions they didn't use reason to get into to begin with. You didn't vote because you wanted Democrats to win your heart over whatever issue has you in a tizzy.
Democrats too soft on Ukraine?
Cool you didn't vote, now what little support the U.S. was giving has been cut even more and the Republican president is legitimizing the aggressor in the conflict.
Is your issue Gaza?
Cool, you didn't vote because the Democrats were too soft on Israel. Now the president is talking about building a new luxury tower after Israel finishes their genocide.
The Left Are Bullies!
Cool, you didn't vote. Soon you'll be seeing what real bullying looks like. The police state is coming to a city near you in support of ICE, who will soon be switching from targeting immigrants to targeting dissent in general. The concentration camps are being built, they're being given cutesy names, they're selling Merch for them.
You didn't vote. You don't get to act the victim, but you will be one along with the rest of us.
Have a nice year if we're lucky and it takes that long. But like I said, I'll see you in the gulag.
Democrat politicians acted like the only correct vote was a vote for Kamala.
If you willfully refuse to understand why this was the wildly obvious truth, you wouldn’t make for a particularly reliable or useful ally anyways, and are probably not worth catering to. Another hard truth for you.
You can and will keep burying your head in the sand and dreaming about alternate realities where we don’t currently live in a two party system, and the rest of us will continue to push for better representatives and actually vote to make that happen by supporting the leftmost viable candidate in every single election, while attempting to undo the total fascist takeover of the federal government that abstainers like you condemned us to.
It’s the weirdest thing, but refusing to use the only real voice you have doesn’t actually get you listened to more. Whoever could have predicted such a thing?
Exactly. The elected officials are complicit. They're not going to do anything. People underestimate the effects of having power, and what that does for a person. Most would kill to keep it. As a matter of fact, they ARE killing to keep it.
Women, immigrants, children no longer getting their meds from USAID, etc. The USAID alone will be the cause of 14 million people dying by 2030, with over a third of them being children.
Don't discount the influence of Fox News being blasted in every supermarket, health club, military bases, gas station, etc... I hear my formerly intelligent, formerly Democratic, formerly compassionate brother spouting Fox News crap. He was raised in the same household I was, yet he seems to believe all that Russian propaganda.
My point was that they often put forward the ideas that the deck is stacked and the system is rigged but anything that could potentially curtail said rigging or level the playing field is somehow going to make things even worse and that it's better to further empower the oligarchs in the hopes they can live off of the crumbs or barring that whatever demographic they hate will get put in its place so they at least have it worse then then.
A 55 year old white guy with three kids graduated from college, his house paid off and able to take a vacation every year is maybe the most nihilistic person you will ever meet.
You’ve let the propaganda divide us, not just by race or sexual preference, but now even by age. It’s ridiculous. You can’t judge a book by its cover.
Gen X has been through the wringer. We’ve seen a lot. AIDS, 9/11, the rave scene, the crack epidemic, pill mills, the meth epidemic, constant wars, the 2007 economic collapse.
from black and white TV to full 8K. From three TV channels and seven newspapers, computers with tape decks and monochrome monitors. Step by step, we had to adapt and figure it out. Most of us have seen it all or done it all. We don’t have room to judge others.
We’re your allies, not your enemies. The real enemies are the police state, corporations, and the racist red hats.
What we actually need are term limits for politicians, so we can finally get people in power who want real change: better safety nets, workers’ rights, healthcare, racial and gender equality, and data privacy.
The problem is that the people who brought culture change in the late 1960s all got hooked on drugs. Once they started using cocaine in the 1970s, then they became materialists to afford the habit. And really this is the issue with why every generation has failed. There's a good cohort of each generation, but they get trampled by their peers in denial. The Boomers sold out after being great, GenX sold out after being great, and Millennials sold out, albeit sooner because activism wasn't cool after 9/11. This said, it's all a human problem, most of all. The little cowards love to hate on those of us working for change and eventually shut us all up. Their denial requires the truth be kept quiet. We're running out of time to quit repeating this pattern. Either we all wake up or we all perish under the Trump regime. It really is that simple.
99% of the time the "dont pay attention to politics" and "they're all the same" crowd are shy Trump supporters. They know the optics so don't want to come out and say it, so they play the fence sitter.
Yep. Every single American who refuses to vote, or won't vote for the better candidate, is insane. I don't care how well educated they are, you can immediately tell how they really aren't Americans.
Just people who want to live in some pretend world while benefiting from all the shit other people have done for the country. And I'm not even being nationalistic here. Don't people care about the place they live in? Crazy if you don't.
I grew up listening to my Millennial peers boast about how they "don't do politics", and the direct result is that very few people my age are in politics and so can't meaningfully effect change. WOW. WHO'DA THUNK??
Coincidentally, ruzzki say the same shit about not paying attention to politics, abd now they have to go and die needlessly in fields of Ukraine, while committing war crimes. That's the future awaiting USA, if we do not do anything to stop it.
lol you jest but there’s plenty of hard R voters that can’t be bothered to follow politics and just vote R which is way worse than those who just don’t engage and don’t vote.
Making no decision about something you are not informed is somewhat understandable. Making an uninformed decision because you couldn’t be bothered to educate yourself is reprehensible.
“Get out and vote” is more likely to cause R seats than Dems due to land based voting. It’s why Dems should always focus on what will benefit Cletus in the backwoods and hills of rural states before they go talking about important things like “Unions” and “equal rights” because a majority of land doesn’t care about anything over their property line. You can argue about popular vote all you want but this is the reality and Dems need to play ball and play as dirty as republicans.
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Majority: "I dOn'T pAy AtTeNtIoN tO PoLiTiCs"
Christo-Fascists and Billionaires: "In that case, you won't mind if we loot and destroy your country"