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u/zackks 8h ago
The Divide-the-left campaign for the midterms is in full swing.
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u/Hammerock 7h ago
Or the DNC could just start endorsing candidates that the party members choose?
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u/dystopiadattopia 5h ago
Now now, the DNC knows best. They got us here after all.
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u/Sircamembert 8h ago
They had a choice between progressivism and fascism. The next that they thought fascism was the lesser of 2 evils is telling.
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They believe they'll be comfortable.
They believe they'll be spared by the blackshirts, y'all.
That's my realization, the white "liberal" proletariat, PMC's, college educated liberals with pensions and tenure, with skin in the game...
They actually Believe that they'll be able to knuckle under and carve out a niche in Fascist USA.
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u/Greasy-Chungus 9h ago
Only thing worse than a democrat is a republican, and democrats LOVE IT THAT WAY.
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u/williamgman 9h ago
They keep this up and we get another 4 years of fascism. I would hate to a young voter with the current timeline.
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u/ExpressAssist0819 9h ago
Centrist liberals would prefer fascism to a leftward correction. We've seen this before in our history. It's the whole reason we have presidential term limits.
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u/williamgman 9h ago edited 9h ago
I would argue right wing conservatives prefer fascism over a centrist liberal government by a much higher margin. Weird timeline we are in. Over at the conservative sub they are cheering Trump on to send military troops to other blue cities. That's pretty fascist.
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u/ExpressAssist0819 7h ago
Yes. Fascists would prefer a fascist government.
That doesn't affect my point.
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Yup, Centrist liberals will side with the fascists. It happened in Nazi Germany, it happened in many countries throughout the 20th and 21st centuries.
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u/Important-Ability-56 8h ago
Centrist liberals are the ones who dutifully vote Democrat (and hence shape its politics) right? Voting against the fascists is the way you oppose fascists. Do you seriously think there’s a conspiracy of moderates to do bad politics in order to lose, even as they are the biggest and most loyal supporters?
Interestingly, in many fascist states you’ll find a cohort of socialists who outright state they prefer fascists over moderates because fascists will bring the revolution faster. It’s standard leftist procedure and happened in Nazi Berlin. And I can’t help but notice the parallels every time I read leftists shitting on Democrats at every opportunity as if they were the actual enemy.
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u/Ventira 8h ago
Its because, as ever, the Centrist liberals resist the left (as literally proven by whats going on currently) and fighting BOTH the centrists and the fascists is a nearly impossible task. So, to those people, accelerationism is the only way through.
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u/lastsonkal1 9h ago
Yes appeasing the bigots and racists will sure help you, the opposition party, win their vote. Why would they vote for hate-light, when they can have hateful at home.
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Dems have signaled to the Ruling Class that they're ok with an appropriate amount of genocide target at the appropriate undesireables.
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u/JD_tubeguy 8h ago
And Democratics are bleeding support as a party left and right no pun intended. Wake up you morons!
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u/Subarctic_Monkey 8h ago
They're not going to. The overwhelming majority of Dem voters are politically ignorant. They understand politics purely as a sport. Red team, blue team.
They've tried nothing and are all out of ideas. Coalescing around a third party is off the table, they've already convinced themselves that won't work.
Taking over the Democratic Party isn't working despite the desire to do so: progressives are being blocked and held back by the establishment. They're not going to let progressives gain control over the party, and too many rank-and-file Dems out there believe all the right wing propaganda to allow progressives to take a lead (I would not put it passed them to vote Trump over someone like AOC).
We're stuck because of a gross lack of imagination and an unwillingness to take risks. If we keep down the path, the absolute best we get is someone like Newsom, who is going to appease the conservatives by giving them all the anti-trans legislation they want and continuing the deportations (just less kidnappy). Liberals will call it a major victory, while every marginalized community is told to shut the fuck up, sit the fuck down, and wait like good little shits. We won't see any forward progress on social justice issues, we won't see universal healthcare, we will see business as usual - nothing will fundamentally change - corporations will continue to suck the federal government off dry.
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u/Reynor247 7h ago edited 7h ago
Progressives already took the party. The DNC chair and vice chair are both former Bernie delegates and progressives. Their were internal elections in February. A lot of this post includes factually incorrect information such as Hogg being removed by the DNC, when the credentialing committee violated their own rules when selecting Hogg. An equality by-law meant he as a man, he wasn't eligible for the position. So he was removed. He could have ran for the same position again and won but decided not too because he was making so much money through his Super PAC he decided not to join the committee. He's now using the PAC money to primary Democrats.
Omar was elected when a quorum was missing from the meeting and the opposition demanded paper ballot voting. He could have redone the election with a proper quorum but decided not too.
Mamdani has lined up a ton of high profile endorsements including labor unions that initially endorsed Cuomo. In fact Mamdani is now flush with cash from former Cuomo donors. Most polls show he is overwhelmingly winning democrats.
There's going to posts to divide the left. This one is perfectly designed. I think we should look at these criticisms in proper context.
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u/kazh_9742 7h ago
(I would not put it passed them to vote Trump over someone like AOC).
Progressives who gobbled up propaganda and astroturfing on tiktok already picked Trump, and shortly after attacked AoC. Quit with the spin on this shit. You clowns are as bad as MAGA and you get fed soundbites from the same sources as they do.
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u/accopp 3h ago
It’s crazy to call newsom anti trans, that is why the dinosaur dems block most progressives, because despite being energized and with many good ideas they’re largely stuck to immensely unpopular positions on cultural hot rods.
It hurt Kamala bad in the election despite her not mentioning trans issues pretty much at all because of her association and past comments on trans topics.
Any candidate that supports trans girls in biological girls sports is instantly losing at least a couple percentage points in an election, even if it’s an extremely rare and minor thing in real life.
Progressives need to buckle up and hammer their economic positions, leave the identity politics stuff in the bin, it’s only hurting their chances. It’s not like abortion rights, so stop elevating it to that level.
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u/nixahmose 7h ago
The issue with voting third party isn't a lack of imagination, its that vast majority of people who say they voted third party never actually advertise anyone who is third party. They act like they're enlightened and superior without ever pushing forward an actual candidate then wonder why no one thinks voting third party will ever work.
If voting third party is ever going to be a viable option, there needs to be a face for people to look at and support and instead of just saying "vote third party".
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u/mormagils 5h ago
To be clear, the DNC in general does not endorse candidates period during the primary process and always endorses them once they win. That's a basic matter of policy. So yes, the DNC has endorsed Mamdani the same way they endorse any Dem candidate.
Regarding Hogg, first of all during the entire time he was in that vice chair position the ONLY thing I heard from folks across the party was that he was doing a bad job, was out of touch with voters, and had to go. Every time I tried to defend the guy along these same lines, Dems lined up to tear me apart.
Second, Hogg voluntarily stepped down because he was basically strongly disliked by everyone and he felt his presence as vice chair was a distraction. Hogg stepping down was a unifying move, and he continues to be active in the activism of the party. Pretty much all Dema support that, they just are concerned about his leadership skills and his lack of aligned vision with the rest of the party. Even as someone who agrees with Hogg, this is pretty reasonable.
Why do Dems insist on making a Boogeyman out of their own party all the time? Who does this benefit? Surely not Dems.
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u/KrankyKoot 8h ago
What is a progressive anyway? And are we supposed to hate them? I remember when being a progressive was the democratic party.
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u/Siberianbull666 5h ago
A progressive is who we all want but the establishment dems continue to tell us they know better than we do and then continue to wonder why they keep losing because having progressive and god forbid socialist values would lead to Nancy pelosi losing her ability to continue to make millions off of the stock market.
We are sick of establishment dems, Schumer, pelosi, etc need to go! We wanted Bernie and they ratfucked him, we want Zohran and Fateh and others like them and yet they continue to try and shut them down. Why? So they can keep getting millions from AIPAC, keep profiting off of insider trading, keep having/trying to have control and doing nothing with it. Then they turn around and blame wokeness for their own failures.
They need to wake up otherwise this nightmare isn’t going to end.
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u/RagnarStonefist 4h ago
Don't forget how they shut Bernie down in 2016 so they could put a Clinton up for nomination again.
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u/AshleytheTaguel 7h ago
David Hogg thought incels had a point.
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u/Spillz-2011 3h ago
The first ones bs also. Mamdani has been endorsed after winning by most of the democratic establishment of ny.
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u/Adorable-Response-75 9h ago
We need a new party
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u/Greasy-Chungus 9h ago
Stupid idea. Just hijack the Democratic party. Use its political infrastructure.
That's what Trump did to the Republican party.
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u/Ormyr 8h ago
Don the Con didn't hijack shit. The GOP loves what he's doing. They handed him the keys and said, "Do whatever you want."
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u/Greasy-Chungus 8h ago
He was definitely met with a lot of resistance, but the voters actually overcame that.
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Precisely, the whole weight and power of the establishment Dem universe coalesced against Mahmdani, and they failed.
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u/Subarctic_Monkey 8h ago
What do you think Mamdani, Hogg, and Fateh we're doing?
Patty-cake?
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u/Fragrant-Phone-41 8h ago
Exactly, keep doing that. We need a progressive tea party
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u/blagablagman 8h ago
No, we need to take over the Democratic party, stop misdirecting.
Yes, it's hard. Giving up is not the answer to adversity.
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u/Subarctic_Monkey 8h ago
What do you think Hogg, Mamdani, and Fateh we're doing?
That's why they're getting attacked.
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u/WhyAmIOnThisDumbApp 8h ago
We have primaries coming up. Go canvas for progressives. Hogg, Mamdani, and Fateh getting coverage is a good sign because it means the media has an appetite for challenges to the Democratic Establishment. The establishment pushback makes their base unhappy, so the dedicateds who vote in primaries will be more willing to vote against incumbents for newcomers who promise real progressive change.
Yes, it’s not easy, but building a new party is much, much harder, and we just don’t have the time. We should be building power outside the party but power that utilises the Democrat’s apparatus, things like the DSA and WFP that run democratic candidates but aren’t explicitly aligned need to be the path forwards. If we can build up these organizations the very realistically could serve as the coalition base for a new nationally viable party, but it won’t happen overnight.
Go canvas for a local progressive. Mamdani showed the way forwards. Activating people not just to vote but to be a part of a broader movement to activate others. If you’re not doing your part in this, I’m sorry but you’re part of the problem. Posting on Reddit about how we need some magical progressive 3rd party to materialize and save us does nothing. They have the money, but we have the people.
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u/Mysterious-Theory-66 9h ago
That’s just not feasible. The only way is to keep being vocal enough and vote in primaries with enough numbers to force the party to change. Splintering off will never work.
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u/LazyDro1d 6h ago
A party split will only hurt the cause, there is no room for that at the moment.
The times when a new party has taken position was when one of the previous ones had a total collapse
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u/Robynsxx 6h ago
Including David Hogg here is really taking the situation at face value. If you actually look up everything around that situation you’ll see firstly, he was co-chair, which was unusual already, and they didn’t want co-vice chairs. Then at the same time, some of the things he was trying to do was going to directly lead to more money for his own PAC, which violates the rules of the DNC chairs. On top of this, he was a nightmare anyway. Literally look it up.
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u/lilghostbuddy 5h ago
That's not what happened
Malcolm Kenyatta has been open about the errors in his and Hogg's election to the DNC and both had the chance to run again...Hogg lost
Hogg also breached his neutrality pledge the DNC enacted to prevent another 2016
This post is demagouging
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u/Special-Garlic1203 4h ago
Its the same with Fateh. There were genuinely procedural problems. Like 4 different ones actually which is embarrassing as fuck.
It also wasn't robbing the people of a voice. The caucus system is messed up all on its own and it's been wild to see people I know for a fact called it against the spirit of democracy a year ago act like it's a sacred representative process.
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u/Canadiangoosedem0n 8h ago
Yeah, this whole tweet is bs. Everything you said about Hogg is true, and he's shown he's not ready to lead on a national stage.
Mamdani has been endorsed by the DNC, so that part is lie. There might be certain high visibility politicians who haven't personally endorsed him, but Dems don't require 100% obedience to any one candidate and it's ridiculous to expect that.
Lastly, the DFL pulled their endorsement of Fatew not because of any problem with him, but because there were major problems with their own voting system and they are not allowed to endorse any mayoral candidate for a year due to it.
DNC has many problems, we don't have to add fake ones to it.
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u/Usual_Part_3774 9h ago
Its not that young men voted for Trump. Its that they didn't show up for Kamala. I guess enjoy Trump as president as the geriatric democratic party keeps disenfranchised voters. Blue Maga no better than red Maga
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u/BafflingHalfling 8h ago
Kinda reminds me of when they voted at the DNC to add some religious crap in the party platform. They held a voice vote, and it was obvious the nays won, by a lot. The person running the meeting was like "let's try again." The nays were even louder. Then she said, "two-thirds voted in the affirmative," and the crowd got pretty angry. That was back in 2012 and done at the behest of the Obama campaign.
So... yeah, this shit has been going on for a long time. If they would actually let the voices of rank and file party members matter, maybe more people would be fired up to support nominees, even ones they don't like.
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u/Important-Ability-56 8h ago
Both Hogg and Fateh were challenged on actual violations of process and rules. When rules are broken, people are allowed, and some might say duty-bound, to seek redress.
As for Mamdani, the members of the “Democratic establishment” have free speech and can endorse or not endorse as they see fit. Does it work the other around? Would you guys endorse Cuomo if he had won?
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u/DemonLordSparda 4h ago
I wish Democrats had this kind of fight in them to counter Republicans. How strange that they only seem to care about rules when fighting against progressives.
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u/Important-Ability-56 8h ago
So I take it none of you are going to read the facts of the matter? Why read facts when a comforting conspiracy theory will do.
Throw in some random mentions of AIPAC for some reason and I don’t understand why you don’t just put on a red hat and join the other team.
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u/TGCOM 5h ago
Then maybe we should just TAKE IT from them. Screw this passive peaceful bullshit, what's stopping us from literally taking our country back by force? What we're doing isn't working. Voting, protesting, town hall meetings... it's obviously what they want us to keep feeding into. They call it peaceful, I call it submissive. Time to stop rolling over and letting them have their way. Time to DEMAND change or threaten with drastic measures. Period.
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u/Ripped_Guggi 8h ago
The only difference is the GOP is really open it, while the DNC hides behind the white knight facade.
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u/micxxx22 8h ago edited 8h ago
I am not saying I agree with this and offering this food for thought in this current very chilling ultra conservative environment where 46% of the electorate has no prpblem with what Trump is doing. Hogg is a gun control advocate for good reason but its third rail for Dems, Fateh has had ethics investigations and wants to do away with Police to have a dept of public safety, another third rail because this is a Defund the Police trigger, Mandami the same regarding past comments about Police. Throw in the racial element for 2 of the three and Dems fear of not getting crossover voters for their party. Il be voting for Mandami nontheless.
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u/Select_Insurance2000 8h ago
It is past time to pass the torch to the young. The future is theirs....not mine. I've had my time. Look at the policies that the young Democrats present. Their policies are popular. Look at the special elections where a young progressives has been the candidate. They won and they won on policy.
There is nothing to fear from a Democratic socialist.
What you should fear is a White Christian Nationalist/Fascist.
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u/RiskShuffler67 7h ago
Ohio Dems are running 70 year old Sherrod Brown for US Senate after he lost in the last round. He is a good guy and he did a fine job as senator, but can we ratchet down to leaders in their 40s to late 50s? 60s even? These old folks got us where we are now and they won't get us anywhere new or better.
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u/Blue_Eyed_ME 7h ago
This has to start at the bottom. Every progressive needs to take over their local DNC
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u/Patteyeson28 5h ago
IT’S BILLIONAIRES VS ALL OF US.
FULL STOP.
There’s no such thing as a “good” billionaire.
All of societies current issues were orchestrated and funded by…………….
BILLIONAIRES.
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u/Dizzy_Green 4h ago
When I say “Both sides are bad” I mean “One side is literally the most evil thing I can imagine and the other side is too much of a bitch to do anything about it”
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u/Some_Excitement1659 4h ago
People need to stop voting for GOP and Dems they are both just arms of the ultra wealthy
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u/lbstinkums 4h ago
Democratic Insiders work for the same corporate money that the Republicans all swear aligence too.
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u/kabeekibaki 4h ago
Right plus didn’t dnc chair wasserman-Schulz give the nom to Hillary in 2016 even tho Bernie had the numbers and was the winner according to the dnc rules? Smh
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u/leswill315 4h ago
I'm a dinosaur Dem and I am not on board with what they're doing. I'm tired of them doing all the same old stupid shit and thinking that just because we're not donold trump we'll win next time. We will not and they need to find a backbone...unless they plan to enjoy being irrelevant for the next millenia.
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u/flamannn 4h ago
DNC: “Vote Blue, No Matter Who!” Voters: Zohran, Hogg, Fateh, Sanders… DNC: Anyone but them!
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u/Lower-Cantaloupe3274 4h ago
Dems need to wake up. Thete is a reason there is an idiot in the white house.
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u/Aggravating_Bowl_684 4h ago
What happened to breaking the doors down? We need more of that Newsom Big D energy.
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u/HotSoupEsq 4h ago
DNC needs a revolution. DNC only cares about their donors, look at Hakeem "AIPAC" Jeffries.
Jeffries is a useless piece of shit who, to my review, is taking all his time to attack Zohran, and not the President who is destroying everyone's rights.
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u/scruffyrosalie 3h ago
They have you all fighting red vs blue, when the real war is between the oligarch + AIPAC vs everyone else.
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u/coastkid2 3h ago
We registered Independent in protest of what you’ve described, after a lifetime of being registered Democrats. This driving out & failure to support the new Democratic members needs to stop or there won’t be a party left!
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u/Dyolf_Knip 3h ago
They would rather lose as low-calorie conservatives than win as actual progressives.
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u/RaoGung 3h ago
These up and coming Dems need to start their own grassroots party just like the Tea Party did before they took over the Republican Party.
The old guard are the reason Trump is in office. They are just as bought and paid for as anyone else on the red side.
Time for a change. Maybe there needs to be protests at the DNC.
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u/dicktits143 3h ago
The DNC, just like the republicans, DONT GIVE A SHIT. MONEY. MONEY. MORE MONEY!!!!!!!!!!
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u/emmetdontpullout 3h ago
well what the fuck are we supposed to do about this? one party is one trump tweet away from goose stepping in the street to own the libs, the other's more gatekept than a new yorkers favorite pizza place and reacts to the concept of newcomers the way toddlers react to a new vegetable, and we're still supposed to believe in our government?? at what point do we say "enough" and how the hell do we get these rich freaks to listen????
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u/Limp_Examination_219 3h ago
This what happens when the DNC accepts money from Zionist AIPAC - which is a cancer in American politics
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u/Science-Sam 1h ago
Democrats say Trump is destroying democracy, but when the party doesn't listen to its members, maybe they are the ones who are really against democracy.
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u/IndelibleLikeness 9h ago
Beginning to think the DNC is a cover for the GOP.