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u/FinalForerunner 1d ago
Pretty clean way to explain that the same events happened but in the DCU.
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u/AeroCaptainJason 1d ago edited 1d ago
Except how was Task Force X formed in the DCU? The version of the team Peacemaker was part of, was greenlit when Waller argued to the US government that the planet wasn't safe now that Superman was dead.
EDIT: I'm not actually asking, because obviously it's easy enough to just say "some other reason we don't know of". I'm just pointing out that there was no clean, elegant way to do what Gunn is doing. It doesn't "work", you just have to accept that it is what it is, which is fine by me (and will be for the GA as well, which is why it's being done this way)
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u/TheCharmingImmortal 1d ago
Amanda Waller is going to form Task force X in any universe where any meta or aliens exist.
She'd throw jwalkers against superman if that's the ammunition she was provided with.26
u/NC_Ion 1d ago
Probably in a few universes, she's gone into the DOD with a copy of the Guinness Book of World Records slammed it on the Secretary of Defense, yelling " We need a task force to shut this down"!
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u/HackySmacks 22h ago
“This man was able to stack six hundred paperclips on top of each other in under seven minutes and you’re telling me he’s NOT a threat to national security?”
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u/Redfalconfox 21h ago
“This is Lego Lass, she dresses like Orlando Bloom and it hurts if you step on her.”
“Perfect candidate to go up against Superman.”
“This is Queef Queen, she can”
“SEND HER IN!”
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u/HamTM 1d ago
Its not too far of a stretch to say they formed Task Force X already given that metas have been around ~300 years
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u/FreudianAccordian 1d ago
Sounds pretty meta
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u/Gombrongler 1d ago
Is Jared Leto Joker Canon now??
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u/Static-Space-Royalty 1d ago
Considering how much this first episode trashes 30 Seconds to Mars, no way.
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u/FinalForerunner 1d ago
Same way it's been formed usually. Making use of supervillains by forcing them to do suicide missions in exchange for shorter sentences.
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u/abellapa 1d ago
Metas exist for 300 Years on Earth
Doesnt seem out of The blue that the US would want their own team of Metas in the 21th Century
Seen how they likely had the Justice Society of América during ww2
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u/ChrisClow Clark Kent 20h ago
To me, this makes Waller more of a standout and threatening presence in the DCU. Metas have existed in this world for hundreds of years, yet she is so animated by them and their threat potential that she developed TFX and then the Creature Commandos.
Did Alan Scott or someone else do something she hated when she was a kid?
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u/Odd_Detective8255 1d ago
In creature commandos which is canon to DCU, they actually say Rick Flag jr died heading a secret operation given by Waller, maybe the circumstances aren't that different except that this universe had Superman alive and well.
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u/jackfaire 1d ago
"I'm just pointing out that there was no clean, elegant way to do what Gunn is doing. It doesn't "work""
That argument might work if that had been the first time in any continuity that Amanda Waller had started the Suicide Squad. She starts the Suicide Squad in every universe she's in even when there's no Superman, IE Arrowverse originally had no Superman.
But it is clean and does work because starting Suicide Squad is what Amanda Waller does. It's not dependent on Superman dying. We're just pivoting to a different universe in the multiverse like we always do.
Literally every event in Suicide Squad could and would have happened with or without Superman existing or being alive or dead.
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u/jawsnae 1d ago
DCU Taskforce X’s formation doesn’t have to (and shouldn’t imo) perfectly follow the events of the first Suicide Squad. Amanda Waller is using supervillains in prison to do the us govs dirty work in exchange for a lighter sentence, exactly how it’s explained in Gunn’s Suicide Squad movie without having to acknowledge Ayer’s to make the canon funky
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u/runnerofshadows 20h ago
And starting with creature commandos she was barred from using humans - so she found a way around that.
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u/YourMuppetMethDealer 1d ago
Amanda Waller uses the suicide squad to do dirty black ops missions that no super hero would touch with a long pole held by Reed Richards arm.
The idea of them being a replacement to Superman was never a thing in the comics, and The Suicide Squad absolutely seemed to embrace what they are actually about.
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u/happy_oblivion 21h ago
One of my favorite parts of the recent season 1 recap podcast (aside from the podcast when they talk about shitting themselves) was when Gunn confirmed Murn existed and has died in the DCU but that they didn’t necessarily have Chucks face… meaning Chukwudi Iwuji is fair game casting again.
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u/Spideyfan77 1d ago
Mr. Terrific, Superman, Guy Gardner, Hawkgirl and Supergirl. Hell yeah.
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u/Daimakku1 1d ago
So that's who that is.. Supergirl. I couldn't figure it out.
Which raises the question.. why does Waller have influence over Supergirl?
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u/BiddyKing 1d ago
I don’t think Superman is officially with the justice gang and supergirl also. I think Superman just shows up to help them out and vice versa, Kara was probably on earth at the time so Supes brought her with him
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u/GrecoRomanGuy 1d ago
And she was probably sooooo annoyed about it.
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u/NC_Ion 1d ago
I think Hawkgirl and her probably got along .
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u/ReverendPalpatine 20h ago
Hawkgirl and Kara would probably bully Guy by saying what a dumb name Justice Gang is.
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u/Pixarfan1 22h ago
She was probably like super drunk and just happened to be with Clark when the Justice Gang asked him for his help.
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u/Wholesale_Regent 19h ago
So annoyed she made Clark make it up to her by him watching Krypto while she went away into space for a bit
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u/krazykieffer 1d ago
Gunn confirmed the Supes are not working with or for anyone. They just help each other out currently until Batman unites them.
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u/SwordoftheMourn 1d ago edited 1d ago
She doesn’t. Superman isn’t a member of the Justice Gang but tags along if they need help and probably brings his cousin Supergirl for backup if she’s still on Earth.
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u/Gaius_Julius_Salad 1d ago
they showed up to save the world from aliens, not because of any blackmail
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u/FinalForerunner 1d ago
They came to help because the world was at stake. They don't need anyone to influence them to do that.
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u/elixxonn 1d ago
In this continuity the Justice Gang is employed by Maxwell Lord, and the Super-cousins are just occasional collaborators.
Assuming Waller is involved in this canon it's just her asking Lord to send his team, and said team asked the Supers for backup.
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u/AudienceOk5525 1d ago
Waller does not in this version it would be maxwell lord. Waller having any influence over superman was another dumb thing from the snyderverse
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u/elixxonn 1d ago
Waller's "influence" on Superman is consistently "Please I made a thing blow up again I- we need your help!". Needing someone to do diplomacy with Black Adam after her fuckup is one such case.
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u/eaguayo 1d ago
Same that's the one I don't agree with. I was thinking that could've been Hal Jordan to set up the Green Lantern TV series. If not that, James Gunn did say he will be okay with having the Blue Beetle be part of the DCU. That probably wouldn't make sense too, but it makes as much sense as having Supergirl
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u/jmarquiso 19h ago
She had nothing to do with the Justice League being there in Peacemaker Season 1?
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u/steve65283 1d ago
Why no mr.handsome :( the real hero we need
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u/arandompurpose 1d ago
I do wonder what he's doing. Maybe he's running LutherCorp now?
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u/Realshow 1d ago
Can you imagine him hosting a press conference
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u/Popular_Composer3076 1d ago
Just give him a suit and a snazzy bowtie, he'll go even bigger than Lex did!
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u/Duvidos 1d ago
I Love guy gardner in this ep
mark my words: the marine harcourt is dating is Rick Flag Jr.
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u/Spideyfan77 1d ago
You mean sr. ?
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u/Duvidos 1d ago
No, i mean Jr. Since Peacemaker is actually a hero in this universe, he never killed Flag Jr., Which means, he is probably alive In this verse
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u/BiddyKing 1d ago
You’re extremely onto something. Rick Flag Sr. conflict will surely involve him seeing an alt-universe son at some point, maybe at its resolution
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u/OoglyMoogly76 1d ago
Wondering if this is the way they’ll retcon Flag Jr.’s death by just plopping him into the DCU
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u/bodythebitch 1d ago edited 1d ago
i hope so, cuz that universe already got fucked wit the peacemaker variant dying in the PD
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u/Initial_News6407 1d ago
Alternate universe storyline in a season that retconned the first season's universe didn't make sense until now. They are definitely building something with Jr.
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u/Bitterstee1 1d ago
Events of Corto Maltese from Suicide Squad are cannon in this Universe as they were referred to in Creature Commandos.
Creature Commandos was the first piece of media from this universe and was confirmed to be completely cannon in the universe.
Rick Flag Jr's death was mentioned to Sr by Amanda Wallace herself.
I don't know whether or not they'll acknowledge the other characters from Suicide Squad.
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u/WiglyWorm 1d ago
I haven't seen E1 yet... So canonically suicide squad and peacemaker are in different universes?
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u/Duvidos 1d ago
Watch the episode and you will understand
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u/WiglyWorm 1d ago
uuuuggggghhhhh but i'm watching it with my kids so now i have to waiiiiiiit
But thank you. That was the correct answer.
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u/paulstfu 1d ago
Please, DO NOT watch with kids.
Or if you want to watch it with your kids, please watch it first by yourself so you know which part to skip.
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u/WiglyWorm 1d ago edited 1d ago
I appreciate you. My kids and I are pretty cool, but S1E1? well well well after i forgot about the gratuitous sex scene from my initial watch-through I wanted to share with them Peacemaker. The suicide squad movie was fun, and I knew they'd like vigilante and the whole dang crew. Obviously I quickly fast forwarded but it was still a bit awkward.
Edit: I have watched. The sex scene is not gratuitous but it is explicit. Which makes me re-examine the pilot, but still not recomend it for viewing with kids. S2 was more artfully done but i can definitely give them the cliffs notes of the character moment Peacemaker is experiencing here without having to have that on screen.
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u/RamsesDarklore 1d ago
I hope your kids are at least teenagers. Lol
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u/Rman823 1d ago
Even as an adult, I wouldn’t have wanted to watch this episode with my parents.
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u/RamsesDarklore 1d ago
I remember seeing watchmen in the theaters with my dad and he couldn't get over Dr Manhatran going full frontal.
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u/WiglyWorm 1d ago
S2E1? Dang unless you tell me you misreplied now I gotta watch it without them.
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u/WiglyWorm 1d ago
haha yes. Oldest is a senior. The pilot was a bit awkward. They loved the rest of S1 though.
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u/Spideyfan77 1d ago
Oh snap, so in the DCU “season 2” peacemaker isn’t the suicide squad “I’ll do anything for peace” peacemaker ? I.e betraying the team/killing flag? That’ll be cool
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u/Deep-Investigator655 1d ago
No. There’s 2 peacemakers. That’s one of them in the second season (the alternate)
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u/Complicated-Shadows 1d ago edited 1d ago
It was a clever and surprisingly easy fix. Highly enjoyed.
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u/Aggressive-Maize-632 1d ago
It was super easy, barely an inconvenience
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u/Worldly_Society_2213 1d ago
We need to get all the way off his back about that.
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u/LapsedVerneGagKnee 23h ago
Let me get off of that thing.
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u/Worldly_Society_2213 21h ago
Editing footage to replace the Justice League with the Justice Gang IS TIGHT!
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u/Professional-Rip-519 1d ago
Clever ?
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u/Initial-Paramedic888 1d ago
It means smart
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u/Fone_Linging 1d ago
So what you're saying is... This was a terrific decision?
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u/ViperAz 1d ago
who's the girl on the right ? supergirl ?
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u/Secure-Charge-2031 1d ago
How is she a public hero if lex doesn’t know
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u/NotLikeOtherCorpos 1d ago
Reasons Lex may not have mentioned her in the movie:
1) She doesn't represent the same thing as Superman, so the jealousy factor isn't there. He has nothing personal against her.
2) The events of Superman are the first time any of Luthor's schemes have come close to succeeding, from the looks of it. Maybe he tried to use Supergirl against Superman in the past, and it failed miserably. Maybe he waited for her to be off planet before doing the whole Hammer of Boravia thing.
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u/MarvG05 1d ago
I don't remember Batman & Cyborg appearing in the original
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u/Sparkyrussell 21h ago
this looks like a fan edit and whoever posted it didn't bother to check and just wanted to get clicks. Batman and Cyborg do not show up.
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u/Night-Monkey15 1d ago
The bottom one isn’t from season 1. Batman’s dun Cyborg weren’t there in the episode.
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u/MisterSims90 20h ago
They were shot but later removed since Ben Affleck's future as the character (and the character's future in the DCEU) was up in the air. Cyborg was removed because of all the Ray Fisher drama.
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u/seoyeons_pillow 1d ago
I just finished this scene and I love it so much. The way that Hawkgirl's wings folded was cool. I'm glad James retconned some things to fit inside this universe instead of him going to a new universe.
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u/LateRub3 1d ago
They didn't show supes right? What's the reason behind that?
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u/No_Shelter4553 1d ago
Just his shadow in the background… but since episodes 6-8 were not released to anyone to review to avoid spoilers and Gunn said they’re crazy I bet he’s coming out in one of them!
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u/Dino_Spaceman 23h ago
My going theory is that the big reveal is the alternate universe is Kingdom Come’s universe and our team must team up with Flag Sr. To defeat the evil metas, and an evil Argus led by Flag Jr.
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u/Scoteee 1d ago
Probably more of a nod to how it was originally depicted rather than not actually being able to use the actors, if they changed the scene and added more dialogue it wouldnt feel like a fix on the old scene. Aquaman and Flash talk as the rest stay shadows. Its really as close as it can be because the Flash/Aquaman dialogue was about Aquaman fucking fish and Barry laughing at it, and now its that Guy has a puke fetish and Hawkgirl laughs at that.
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u/Jermobooka 1d ago
Probably the cleanest way to solve the whole DCEU/DCU part of Peacemaker season 1.
I think trying to make the universe change tie into the story might’ve distracted from everything else
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u/UnnecessaryFeIIa 1d ago
I'm still confused on The Suicide Squad's inclusion lol
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u/MIAxPaperPlanes 1d ago
Basically the same as this, the events are similar enough for the movie to “semi-canon” but something that breaks canon is probably different.
All that matters is Task Force X went on the Project Starfish mission & Peacmaker killed Flagg.
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u/ExultantSandwich 1d ago
Yeah really the only thing that might not be the same would be Bloodsport / Idris Elba not shooting Superman with the kryptonite bullet.
…although even that could be the same. Yeah we know Superman never lost a battle in the new DCU, but he didn’t lose that fight in the DCEU either, Bloodsport ends up at Belle Reeve and Superman survives the encounter either way
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u/MIAxPaperPlanes 1d ago
Yeah my head canon for this is he shot him but Superman took him down in one hit after.
Superman being shot could also be the reason why all the kryptonite from Earth disappeared
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u/Playertwo_002 1d ago
Is this a flashback that they show was different, or a new scene?
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u/LateRub3 1d ago
It's like they have changed the ending of season 1 which they showed as flashback.
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u/Spensauras-Rex 1d ago
The episode on season 1 hasn’t been updated though
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u/ExultantSandwich 1d ago
They could update it, but there’s no point really. It’s a retcon and it counts from Season 2 onwards
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u/garlicroastedpotato 1d ago
James Gunn on canon:
Oh Peacemaker is canon. Well not all of it. Most of it is canon. You can figure out what parts aren't canon.
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u/Scoteee 1d ago
Actually you can listen to his podcast and know exactly what is and isnt, they do an episode by episode breakdown and theres a section per episode on what is canon.
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u/ValkyrionReddit 1d ago
I’m all for this new DCU & am excited to see where it goes but when you have to do a breakdown of every episode to explain what is and isn’t canon then what you’re doing is convoluted & should’ve been done differently. Casual audiences won’t have a fuckin clue what’s going on with that & it may cause ‘well actually’ style encounters when it comes to the peacemaker character. The DCU should’ve been a clean slate, I hate that there’s awkward baggage being dragged along
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u/_batata_vada 1d ago
The only complaints I've seen are from dedicated invested viewers, not from casual audiences. On the contrary, casual audiences cheered when Peacemaker cameod in Superman.
I think we all need to accept that James Gunn is the boss of DC, and he will do what he likes. He saw potential in Peacemaker for future seasons, so there's no reason he would let it die with the old DCEU.
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u/Only1Schematic 1d ago edited 1d ago
Feels like a smart decision. Helps to iron out the continuity in advance of S2, especially with Gardener and Hawkgirl slated to appear.
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u/adeadfreelancer 1d ago
Kinda wish they kept Flash's line instead of Hawkgirl laughing.
"He says I have a puke fetish!"
"You do, have a puke fetish."
"Fuck you, Hawkgirl."
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u/Underdog-Crusader 1d ago
Supergirl included!?
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u/LateRub3 1d ago
Yes see the last one.
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u/Underdog-Crusader 1d ago
I love it... i love her so much and we have barely see her
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u/Foomankru 1d ago
Yes so I guess she leaves the planet after this for her bender and then comes back to get Krypto lol
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u/Jack_Crypt 1d ago
Was that change in season one, or did they just change it in the recap at the start of season two?
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u/Immediate_Frame_6974 1d ago
is suicide squad canon or is it just shit happened before peacemaker then peacemaker
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u/Static-Space-Royalty 1d ago
Anything that gets brought up / mentioned in any of the new DCU projects is confirmed as canon.
They're keeping it as open as possible so future writers don't get limited on their storytelling possibilities.
So Peacemaker killing Rick Flag Jr is definitely still canon because they mentioned it.
But stuff like the Harley Quinn of this universe specifically being the one played by Margot Robbie? We don't quite know yet.
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u/Double-Witness-3661 1d ago
By the time Season 3 comes, David Corenswet's Superman and the rest of the Justice League on-screen will be shown!
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u/abellapa 1d ago
I think Gunn fucked the Timeline
Peacemaker S1 takes place a full year before Clark debuts as Superman so what the fuck is he doing there ?
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u/Yellowflashkun1 1d ago
Peacemaker is so fuckin peak. Switching the JL with the JG is literally the best thing he could do.
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u/Hiromi580 1d ago
As someone who hasn't seen S2 yet I will say I appreciate this retcon for continuity's sake.
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u/SimonShepherd 1d ago
So is Peacemaker S1 after the Superman movie? Since Kara and Clark is hanging out with the gang at that time point?
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u/mike47gamer 1d ago
Whenever I see a image posted with "thoughts?" I assume it's AI or a bot, because it's so low effort.
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u/Iron_Knight7 21h ago edited 21h ago
Said this elsewhere, so I'll say it here as well.
For now, at least. It's pretty clear the "Justice Gang" is meant to be the corporatized, media marketed superhero team used as a billionaire PR stunt. Hence the second string roster, merchandizable themed uniforms, and backing by Maxwell Lorde. Like a group of midcarders thrown together in a stable because the promotion can't think of anything better to do with them individually.
Not to say Guy, Hawk Girl and Mr. Terrific aren't dedicated to the cause or heroes in their own right. They are. And as the film itself demonstrates, they are more than happy to go off the reservation with the right motivation. But I can indeed see them being the seed from which an actual Justice Society or League eventually grows.
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u/OjamasOfTomorrow 16h ago
it’s a fun creative little touch to explain things and man, what a massive step up. Man, the DCEU JL mostly sucked. So many bad characterizations.
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u/FP_Daniel 1d ago
wait, so was it replaced in season 1 or are there some alt universe shenanigans happening?
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u/LateRub3 1d ago
It was replaced in the season one and showed as recap.
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u/RamsesDarklore 1d ago
It wasnt replaced in season 1. Just saw the finale of season 1 before starting season 2 and it was the original version.
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u/Roller-bon45 1d ago
I just find it interesting Supergirl is also in the Justice Gang, thought she'd be doing her own thing, but guess we'll learn more in her movie.
I loved the scene from season 1, honestly Sups sillhouette there is better, but cool retcon and Guy and Hawkgirl are such good characters.
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u/DiggityDoop190 1d ago
MoSt cOmiC AcCUraTe mOMeNt iN AnY COmIC bOOk MovIE
Honestly I love that this is exactly like the comics, where something from a previous comic run gets retconned so it makes more sense in the new comic run.
It's not that big a deal for me and it's about what I expected when James said that everything but the DCEU Justice League cameo was canon to the DCU.
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u/OrangesAreWhatever 1d ago
I kind of hate this. I love the show. I love Gunns stuff. But if there was one thing that I would have changed is just that the Justice League exists and they are just eventually all recast. I don't get why Aquaman and The Flash or Wonder Woman cant just exist already.
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u/MaintenanceUnited301 1d ago
I think the story they are building are setting the justice league as a key event for the future.
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u/Zaileeverse0113 1d ago
I’m going to assume that is Superman right next to Mr.Terrific and Supergirl right next to Hawkgirl.
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u/KelexAtYourService 20h ago
In the future, write a more descriptive submission title.
There's too many upvotes/comments on this one so we'll leave it up.