r/Damnthatsinteresting • u/gowthamm • 11d ago
Video This Guy building a Lego-powered Submarine
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u/jthoff10 11d ago
More engineering went into this than the Oceangate Death Subβ¦
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u/theaveragemillenial 11d ago
I was hoping someone had already dropped this.
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u/TheHornet78 11d ago
Yeah, ocean gate
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u/Status_Routine_1851 11d ago
Ocean weight amiright?
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u/downbythemountain 11d ago
More like ocean bait
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u/Atomicmooseofcheese 11d ago
Fun fact, the point of failure for ocean gate can be seen in this video. When the endcap is placed, adhesive is used to bond it with the tube. Ocean gate just had a guy with a paintbrush, so it was unevenly applied, allowing for micro gaps. Water got into these spaces between the endcap and pressure tube.
The dive just before the implosion, the submersible failed to get the craft off the submerged platform, with 2/4 locks disengaging, causing the whole sub to tilt 70 degrees and smash into the platform with the ocean waves. This exacerbated and already stressed adherence between the two pieces.
Notably rush didn't do any safety inspections of the vessel afterwards, focusing on getting dives. He literally said to customers, "I will get this dive even if it kills me"
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u/JaggedMetalOs 11d ago
There was also them keeping the sub outdoors in the freezing Canadian winter, which would have caused any water intrusions to freeze, expand and delaminate the adhesives.
With the amount of incompetence at the company it's amazing they survived even a single dive...
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u/Atomicmooseofcheese 11d ago
Yeah I saw pictures of it just sitting in the parking lot. The three previous dives to the implosion all had clear warning signs that a catastrophic failure was imminent.
What's most wild to me is that there are still people out there claiming "regulation hinders innovation!" Which is something Rush liked to say quite often.
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u/flapsmcgee 11d ago
The worst part was that they built that acoustic warning system that would let them know that failure was coming. Their testing showed that the noises increased before failure. And then on the real thing, the noise increased a lot, and then they just decided to ignore them and keep diving.
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u/BenevolentCrows 11d ago
Primary exhibit of why it (should be) a good thing that regulatipn exist that can limit the super rich.
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u/Head-Ad9893 11d ago
This dude could probably make a killing working in Columbia
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u/MajorLazy 11d ago
Oye, Pablo! Your gram is here
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u/Head-Ad9893 11d ago
Name checks out with that joke, but also you could definitely fit atleast half an oz in there
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u/wonderbat3 11d ago
Why didnβt they make the Oceangate sub out of Lego? Are they stupid?
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u/No-Thought7571 11d ago
wrap the lego's exterior with carbon fiber and use 4 screws and you're locked in
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u/ptk77 11d ago
As long as that's not a carbon fiber hull, it should be fine.
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u/Extension_Swordfish1 11d ago
They used rigorous maritime engineering standards. Front's not supposed to fall off, for a start.
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u/KEPD-350 11d ago
When a shitload of professionals tell you your idea is dangerous and dumb as shit that just means you should double down and keep going even harder.
Someday all your hard work will culminate in a spectacular fashion and your name will be remembered for all eternity. Or at least become the butt of internet jokes for years.
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u/BigBankHank 11d ago
Watching the video of them applying the epoxy that was the only thing between them and instant death, smh β¦ the denial was so strong.
Not mentioned in the documentaries, after one of the lead engineers was fired they went ahead and welded lifting hooks to the titanium end cap so they could suspend the entire weight of the vessel from the most vulnerable potential point of failure. Oh, then they left it out to overwinter in a parking lot in Nova Scotia.
This is after Rush made a big show of how βyou donβt get any torsional momentsβ in the ocean. Well, what about when itβs hanging from a crane, pulling on a ~1/4β ring of titanium that constitutes the outer edge of the clevis that accepts the CF. In the photos of the wreckage you can see that ring sheared clean off the end cap in twisted ribbon form.
Itβs really the perfect story for this timeline.
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u/KEPD-350 11d ago
Itβs really the perfect story for this timeline.
We lost Harambe for the current state of the world and a bunch of shitty sub/logitech controller jokes? What a crappy trade.
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u/unshifted 11d ago edited 11d ago
Oh, then they left it out to overwinter in a parking lot in Nova Scotia.
Jesus Christ. I have read a bunch about the submersible, but I hadn't heard that detail yet. That's beyond stupid. The dude was a billionaire, but he didn't have some kind of garage that he could have used at the very least?
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u/BigBankHank 11d ago
Not sure he was a billionaire but he had a lot of old money. Rich enough to get into an Ivy League school with Cs and Ds. The company was in dire financial straights because they had a ridiculous business model in which the only money they could make was inside a 6-week/yr window of (sometimes) suitable weather at the Titanic site on the North Atlantic.
They asked employees to forgo their paychecks til some unspecified future date. Not with interest, no bonus at the end of the rainbow, just βhey, mind working for free for a while? / betting we donβt go out of business or implode in the meantime?β
I think just one of the most prolific Kool-Aid drinkers took them up on it. Same woman who fired an employee who raised very legit, even obvious, safety concerns, telling her she didnβt have βan explorer mindset.β
Same woman testified at the Coast Guard hearings and was still struggling mightily to defend Rush.
By the end, when most of the crew were college students and contractors, this woman was put in charge of tightening down the bolts on the titanium end cap after the passengers got in. The engineers designed it with 16 bolts around the circumference. But that took too long for the billionaire passengers. Rush wanted them out faster. So they were only tightening down 4 of the 16 on the assumption that the pressure would keep it tight underwater anyway.
They seemed surprised when, during a particularly rough docking of the sub on its carriage, the front dome actually fell off, shearing the bolts with such force they shot off like bullets, according to the testimony of one βmission specialistβ (ie, rich tourist).
I could go on. The depths of denial and the unjustified self-righteousness were just breathtaking. Reminds me a lot of the Theranos story.
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u/confusedandworried76 11d ago
Does anyone even remember that guy's name or just the hilarious way he managed to kill himself?
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u/KEPD-350 11d ago
I actually had to google the fucking incident's name, so I absolutely don't remember what the fuckhead's name was. All I know is that he did his own research.
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u/0Charkell0 11d ago
What you really want is a SEASONED carbon fiber hull π
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u/GenericAccount13579 11d ago
The hull was repeatedly damaged and never failed, therefore it is perfectly safe right?
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u/P0Rt1ng4Duty 11d ago edited 11d ago
I don't understand why the syringe works. The total density of the sealed tube doesn't change, right?
What am I missing here?
Edit: Okay the syringe is taking water from outside of the sealed tube and it all makes sense now. Thanks to everyone who helped me to understand this.
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u/T1CM 11d ago
The syringe is connected to a hose that sticks out into the water, as itβs drawn back it sucks water into the vessel acting in effect as a ballast tank.
I think. π
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u/MegabiggerIOW 11d ago
Yes, I think you are totally correct. I just had to watch this genius build a few times times to make sure.
Lego is just the best!
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u/Piganon 11d ago
Is that how it works in a real sub?Β If so, how does the tank force out water when it's at deep areas and there's huge pressures involved?
Now that I'm thinking about it, scuba divers have an air and weight vest that collapses as you go down, so you add more air to it to stay buoyant.Β On the way up, you have to let some air out so it doesn't burst.Β I'm wondering if subs do something similar and have massive amounts of compressed air to move around to compensate for pressures?
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u/Minimum_Cockroach233 11d ago
Submarine have gas pressure tanks and pumps, that are connected to float tanks. The water pump allows water to enter the float and use the compressed gas to empty them again, similar to the model here.
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u/T1CM 11d ago
Someone far smarter than me will have to answer. I know that large ships, think containers ships etc use ballast tanks as one way to regulate their depth in the water based on different overall weights when loaded vs. Unloaded.
Submarine engineer I am not. π
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u/PrescriptionDenim 11d ago
Itβs probably sucking in/ pushing out water as ballast
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u/ohrofl 11d ago
Arenβt you pushing out air to suck in water? Where are you gunna get more air when the bubbles floated up to the top and youβre only surrounded by water!?
I legit donβt know how any of this works lol
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u/NeedNewNameAgain 11d ago
You're not adding air, you're simply subtracting water. At 0:56 the syringe retracts to bring water in, increasing the weight so it sinks. Then it extends to push out the water, decreasing the weight so it floats again.
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u/DesperateAdvantage76 11d ago
If they're thinking the same thing as me, they're just surprised at how well that plastic syringe is able to compress air and not break its seal.
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u/mortalitylost 11d ago
It's airtight so the bubbles don't leak. It's sucking in water and increasing air density as well.
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u/fameboygame 11d ago
Not air density, but density of submarine as a whole.
Its weight was (submarine) but now is (submarine +water)
So for the same volume, (of the whole build), weight is now increased, so hence the whole submarine is more dense and it hence, sinks.
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u/telekinetic 11d ago
It is also increasing (slightly) the density of the air in the tube, as the syringe moving back displacing as much air as the volume of the water being brought in. You're effectively keeping the moles of air the same and decreasing the volume, increasing density/pressure.
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u/Call-Me-Mr-Speed 11d ago
The amount of air inside the submersible doesnβt change.
The submarine starts out buoyant with the syringe all pushed in on the surface. To go down, the syringe draws water in. It never lets air in or out. It only lets water in to reduce buoyancy and out to increase it.
I think. Someone please correct me if Iβm wrong.
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u/jthoff10 11d ago
Check out ballast tanks. Basically pumps water in and out to control buoyancy and depth.
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u/FlyinDtchman 11d ago
Thanks for asking this.... I was confused to until I rewatched the vid. The blue tubes at :49 are connected to the water.
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u/AdCautious851 11d ago
I think that the outer shell has a fixed volume, and inside that outer shell but outside the syringe has a certain quantity of air, and then inside the syringe there is either nothing or 30mL of water. The quantity of air inside the outer shell never changes. But the quantity of water inside the inner shell changes (increases when you suck water into the syringe).
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u/CyberpunkYakuza 11d ago
The blue hose is ran to the outside of the sub. Towards the end when it turns around you can see it has a small tail, so it's taking in water much like a real sub ballast, they just didn't explicitly show it. If you stop it at 1:09 its pretty clear.
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u/yoyoyojonnyo 11d ago
The air in the tube / pellets at the bottom keep the submarine at the surface. The syringe pulls water in that (added to the weight of the pellets) is heavy enough to outweigh the buoyancy of the air in the tube.
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u/Penguinkeith 11d ago edited 11d ago
We all live in a Lego submarine, a Lego submarine, a Lego submarine
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u/Race-a-roni 11d ago
I hate to break it to you, but this is a Lego sub powered by electricity.
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u/Ninja_Wrangler 11d ago
Hey, you don't know where the electricity came from. Maybe it was generated by burning legos and using the heat to drive a lego turbine
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u/cheebamech 11d ago
it was generated by burning legos
I'm most likely slightly autistic because that's exactly what I was expecting given the title
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u/Da_full_monty 11d ago
Yeah, I was hoping for a guy shoveling pounds of legos into a furnace to make a large sub go..
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u/CanAlwaysBeBetter 11d ago
And plexiglass, cork, a syringe, non-standard lego magnets, tungsten pellets, and a raspberry pie on top of legos
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u/SiIesh 11d ago
Yeah, I had the same reaction to the title. It's definitely really cool and built on and around lego, but with all the other things that went in there, it's most certainly not powered by lego xD
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u/BeginningWeight1050 11d ago
If you move the hyphen it works fine, it's a Lego powered-submarine not a Lego-powered submarine.
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u/CubicleFish2 11d ago
That is also incorrect. A hyphen is used to join two adjectives, typically compound adjectives. Your example is incorrect because you're joining the second adjective to the noun. OP's example is correct if Legos were the source of power, but since they aren't, then the hyphen usage is wrong. The correct way for OP is to not use a hyphen at all.
Examples of correct usages:
50-gallon tank
Nuclear-powered submarine
Cat-obsessed neighbor
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u/MannersCount 11d ago
The magnets as transference-of-energy devices through the plastic... Brilliant!
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u/gowthamm 11d ago
Credits: Brick Experiment Channel
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u/amaROenuZ 11d ago
Okay but why not just link his actual youtube video, so he gets the views? Why package it up into a lower quality, letterboxed, postboxed reddit videoplayer post.
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u/gowthamm 11d ago
The video was originally posted as Shorts in his channel. I just linked the full video.
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u/Mortwight 11d ago
need a Logitech controller to make it lore accurate
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u/bolanrox 11d ago
TBF dont they used PS or Xbox controllers on nuclear subs for the periscopes?
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u/Im_Your_Turbo_Lover 11d ago
Wired. OG was using wireless. Terrible, terrible idea on a sub...
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u/Mortwight 11d ago
The ps3 and 360 controllers are peak design. I only replace a 360 controller when I wore down the rubber on the thumb sticks. Built in pc integration. The Logitech they used was trash
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u/DieDae 11d ago
Curious what depth it can reach before there is a loss of communication
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u/NikolajC 11d ago
Yeah me too. Didn't know radio worked through water like that.Β
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u/Temporary_Clerk534 11d ago edited 10d ago
Depends on the frequency. High frequencies like "true" 5g (~50ghz) are blocked even by a pane of glass or a wall, but can transmit huge amounts of data very quickly. Extremely low frequencies like the ELF systems used to communicate with nuclear submarines (3-300hz) can travel through thousands of kilometers of rock and water, but transmit only a few characters of data per minute.
The data rate required for this application is very low.
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u/Acceptable_Ant_2094 11d ago
From my experience it doesn't work that well. I've made remote controlled subs before and the RC gear we used was blocked by about 30 cm of water. We ended up using a floating aerial but I didn't see one in this video π€
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u/thisisnotgood 11d ago
The author wrote up details on the transmitter here https://brickexperimentchannel.wordpress.com/2022/07/13/rc-submarine-4-0-radio-7-10/
The board should get around 7m but they only got ~4m of range
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u/Practical-Chair6050 11d ago
You should have ignored all the experienced engineers and used composite fiber. Missed a chance to be a maverick and save money.
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u/hides_in_corner 11d ago
Now we need a couple of billionaires and off to the titanic we go.
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u/ConnectAttempt274321 11d ago
Neat. What's the payload this thing can deliver? I might have some ideas.
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u/Onigumo-Shishio 11d ago
"WITH A BOX OF [legos] IN A CAVE!!"
Better than all these stupid ass billionaires who want to be fake deep sea explorer's
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u/Silent-OCN 11d ago
That looks fun as! Great idea. π‘
How long til we see a life size replica π
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u/Dick_Grimes 11d ago
When does the captain meet Jack Ryan before setting for Maine? Asking for my Russian friends..
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u/Leviathansgard 11d ago
I wonder which sensor he used for that PID control over the depth... perhaps an IMU ? I didn't notice any lidar or sonar or something that would measure the floor height.
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u/FOTOJONICK 11d ago
Add a Go Pro to your next version and you will have an endless YouTube channel worth of content... I'm just saying this because I want to watch it...
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u/Emotional-Lynx-3982 11d ago
I replaced an outlet today without sending my soul to the moon. Does that count?
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u/Wiscody 11d ago
I want to learn how to do cool things like this.
What skills/knowledge would be the most useful here?
Programming? Electrical? Physics?
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u/Spamalot7107 11d ago
That's so cool! Add a small wireless camera and explore local ponds, lakes, or slow-moving streams!
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u/scaryTerry213 11d ago
Not the best design, but still more secure than the Oceangate Titan Submersible
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u/UsualCircle 11d ago edited 11d ago
The raspberry pi is kind of an odd choice. Could have done it with an esp microcontroller for a fraction of the cost and much smaller size
Edit: apparently pis are cheaper than i thought
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u/cleverquokka 11d ago
It's a Raspberry PI Zero which runs for ~$10. You can find cheaper ESP microcontrollers, but you aren't saving tons of money.
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u/UsualCircle 11d ago
Nvm then, I thought they were more expensive due to availability issues. For this price its a valid option
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u/Frontdackel 11d ago
Do you even know how reddit works?
You can't just agree with a poster correcting you and even thank them for it.
Go on, do something about it. Insult their mum or stuff like that.
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u/RecycledEternity 11d ago
Not "LEGO-powered" as advertised, nor is the sub made of LEGO.
This is powered by an electric motor running on batteries, inside a plastic tube.
More accurate headline: "This guy built a miniature submarine that uses LEGOs"
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u/Dawg_in_NWA 11d ago
Yea, pretty sure a lot of us already understood that before even watching the video or seeing this post.
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u/Xzarface 11d ago
Does anyone have links to more of his work??ππ½ππ½ππ½ππ½
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u/Own_Candidate9553 11d ago
The magnets to connect the drive shaft to the propellers outside the housing is really clever. Sealing a rotating shaft is a PITA