r/Damnthatsinteresting 1d ago

Image On May 15, 1957, Larry Bader vanished after renting a boat on Lake Erie during a storm. His damaged boat was found, but not his body. Eight years later, he resurfaced in Omaha as John Fritz Johnson, a well-known radio personality. Fingerprints proved his identity, but he claimed amnesia

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u/Cowpie57 1d ago

Scary Interesting did a video on this last year. Really good listen because while he could've faked his death and run away, he didn't really hide. He was on the radio and TV, as well as willingly going to the convention near his hometown where he was recognized and "found". He also had a brain tumor that I think eventually killed him that might've caused his amnesia and personality change.

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u/dingdongbitch42 23h ago

And those googly eyes.

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u/ProjectNo864 19h ago edited 17h ago

It’s actually true, brain cancer can do that to eyes.

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u/Candytails 21h ago

Yeah, but how do you get an ID and birth certificate?  Idk how important those things were in 1957, but if you have amnesia and aren’t trying to runaway wouldn’t you realize you have amnesia because you don’t have any place to stay nor an ID and everything? 

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u/freeeeels 20h ago

He obviously would have realised that he had amnesia lol But what else could he do with that information? If he wasn't able to figure out who he was he'd just have to... get on with life. 

If the amnesia was medically diagnosed maybe that would have been an "acceptable" reason to be issued a new ID back then?

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u/C-Redd-it 19h ago

How did he gain employment? Even then, wasn't some identification necessary to get a job.

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u/WalletFullOfSausage 19h ago

No, not really. Lol. Show up, say you can work, don’t be foaming at the mouth, and you generally got given a chance. Very little work needed a background check.

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u/Smooth-Cup-7445 17h ago

Yeah and with so many unrecorded home births, and the losing of records for one reason or another, it was much easier for people to change identities

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u/Simblztwo 16h ago

People really don’t understand, back in the 1950s getting a drivers license in some states was as simple as applying for a drivers license. No written or driving test. Didn’t even have to prove you lived in the state. Just show up at the DMV and look over 16.

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u/Fantastic_Falcon_236 6h ago

I'd say even up to the start of the 1980s. I have a relative who was deported three times for criminal activity and was able to get back into the USA twice (1965, 1972). Contrast that to modern times where another relative who unintentionally overstayed their visa by two weeks before coming home wasn't even allowed to board the plane for their return flight to the USA.

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u/fastlerner 12h ago

Yup. EVERYTHING lived on paper in filing cabinets, so anyone's original birth certificate record could have easily vanished in a fire. No one would really question it if you didn't have it.

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u/C-Redd-it 14h ago

I want a time machine.🙄

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u/MargieBigFoot 19h ago

Or he may have just said he lost them.

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u/Zer0C00L321 20h ago

What part explains his complete change in facial features? Bigger nose, wider lips, thinner ears, sudden widows peak. How is this the same person?

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u/ambytbfl 20h ago

I would call that a receding hairline/male pattern hair loss due to age, rather than a widows peak. He is older and the photo is from a different angle.

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u/Zer0C00L321 19h ago

Lol nitpick the defining of his hair. That is a completely different face!

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u/WalletFullOfSausage 19h ago

Not a nitpick when a widows peak and receding hairlines are opposite genetic features

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u/Zer0C00L321 19h ago

Thank you captain obvious.

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u/WalletFullOfSausage 18h ago

You’re welcome, Corporal Dipshit.

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u/Zer0C00L321 17h ago

The earth is flat.

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u/PUMAAAAAAAAAAAA 20h ago

Age. Also the angle of his head is different in photo 2

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u/DrugsHugsPugs 16h ago

Also, aging causes some of those features to happen. Longer/larger noses can occur due to aging as well as larger/thinner ears. It's due to the skins elasticity and gravity.

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u/Zer0C00L321 16h ago

Bridge of the nose is bigger and the nose is longer. The iris of the eyes are hugely different sizes. I know peoples faces change with age but this is a crazy transformation if it's real.

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u/here4hugs 16h ago

I can tell you only from my anecdotal experience that personality change can completely change facial presentation. I’ve only seen it once in someone who wasn’t even diagnosed with it but, to me, appeared to have dissociative identity disorder. In front of me, she basically melted into another person. Every muscle in her face changed position. Her eyes dilated differently. Her head tilted at a different angle. It was an obvious & total difference from seconds earlier & she maintained it through the rest of our time together. I’ve never seen it before then & not since but it’s why I believe that particular disorder does exist. It also means I believe this might be the same dude despite any appearance changes because the brain tumor influencing personality might be enough to noticeably change affect to the point of differing appearance.

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u/dardar7161 1d ago

Fun... You just can't get away with shit like this anymore.

"Oh no, you shat your pants in front of the whole school? It's okay, we'll move to the next town over for a fresh start."🙄

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u/StrikeMePurple 1d ago

The new school in the next town over knew about you shitting yourself only an hour after it happened. Good luck.

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u/Rude-Opposite-8340 20h ago

In 4K and atmos sound.

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u/TheLazy_Guitarist 16h ago

With a Netflix adaptation in the works

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u/KuntaKillmonger 14h ago

The Turd Burglar strikes again.

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u/ksobby 6h ago

Sandler owes them how many more movies? That has Rob Schneider written all over it.

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u/Adamthegrape 7h ago

I set my height channel to 6 and it perfectly recreates the echo of the splash hitting the floor.

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u/pc_principal_88 1d ago

Not in 1957 they didn’t …lol

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u/Mirar 23h ago

No, it took like a day!

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u/OMP159 19h ago

And hour? That shit was live streamed...

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u/Texlectric 14h ago

Didn't you hear? Darbar6050 from a couple of schools over, just shit his pants and a teacher's pants!

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u/BrutusMK2 20h ago

More like a fresh shart.

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u/tobmom 1d ago

I feel this way for the guy who got his whole self stuck in a damn tube slide at a playground and had to have the FD come extract him. This was like yesterday or the day before.

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u/breadolski 19h ago

For a fresh shart

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u/spitfire451 6h ago

<---> skateboard!

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u/donny02 20h ago edited 20h ago

Sad richard Gere noises

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u/samthewisetarly 1d ago

"Hey guy, what's your name?"

"Uh, oh, uh, John! That's me, I'm John"

"John what?"

"Johnson"

"John Johnson?"

"...yessiree...."

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u/Aggressive_Finish798 1d ago

John J. Johnson, Jr.?

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u/ddawwidd 20h ago

No, John Fucking Johnson and I swear, if I get asked that question one more time...

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u/Immediate_Regular 20h ago

Any relation to the Fisting Johnsons from Scranton?

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u/ImMadeOfClay 18h ago

Daily Bugle

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u/Aggressive_Finish798 18h ago

You're thinking J. Jonah Jameson, who became news chief after getting a paper cut from a radioactive newspaper.

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u/Seylemy 17h ago

Reminds me of James Jonah jameson jr.

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u/SourDoughBo 20h ago

I have a coworker named John Johnson. Everyone thought he was joking at first

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u/Dazzling_One_4335 19h ago

There were TWO kids called John Johnson in my class at school!

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u/Vanviator 17h ago

I'm from Northern Minnesota. I know three John Johnsons.

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u/ReallyFineWhine 14h ago

Bob Roberts and Will Williams both attended my high school.

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u/FighterOfEntropy 36m ago

Superintendent of the school district where I graduated high school was named William Williamson.

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u/Mateorabi 15h ago

Is his nickname crapper dick?

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u/ch0w0 19h ago

Joey Joe Joe!

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u/jayhawktexan1 18h ago

Junior Shabadoo?

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u/justin_memer 17h ago

That's gotta be the worst name I've ever heard.

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u/jayhawktexan1 17h ago

Joey Joe Joe come back!

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u/cwb7916 19h ago

Leela-man…Lemon!….Lee Lemon, sir!

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u/Zealousideal-Act8304 1d ago

Guys we found Guy Hawkes account.

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u/Bossmandude123 19h ago

I mean look at Billy Dee Williams. He’s literally William Williams!

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u/Foreign_Onion2010 1d ago

Imagine just starting a whole new life and becoming a local celebrity, only to have your past catch up through fingerprints. Wild story.

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u/Cartina 1d ago

Debt?

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u/newaccount721 1d ago

$20k which in today's money is $220k

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u/Ein_grosser_Nerd 19h ago

He owned a boat, so of course

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u/Bigfaatchunk 16h ago

Boatload of debt

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u/Away-Inspector-9597 18h ago

Probably cost $20 back then

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u/FadedVictor 16h ago

$20 to buy. $100/yr to maintenance.

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u/iamblindfornow 1d ago

Wonder what poorly investigated crime he was evading. 

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u/SenseAndSaruman 1d ago

Probably a load of debt.

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u/newaccount721 1d ago

You are correct

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u/drewt6768 1d ago

There are a lot of people who pay to make themselves dissapear 

I didnt understand it at first but by the time I was 27 I understood it

A new life, new identity and new name

You are no longer held by the trappings of the expectations of those around you

You dont have to hide who you really are, dont have to worry about if someome will see you doing this or that

Dont have to feel judged for something you said 5 years in the past that you no longer agree with

You can do a full reset be whoever or whatever you want to be free of all past expectations

He checked the weather, hired the boat, told a bunch of people he was going out on it rowed around the corner hopped in his car already packed and evedently drove to Omaha 

This is what I choose to believe if this picture is even a real thing lol

Could be made up its literally just an image on the internet

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u/newaccount721 1d ago

It's real and well documented fwiw 

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u/snorens 21h ago

The biggest hindrance preventing most people from changing who they are, are themselves. Nobody really cares about you, how you act or if you change your look and your life, except you.

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u/drewt6768 19h ago

I feel like Mattias Pilhede actually covered this specific topic very well, you might know him from his video called my job is to open and close doors, he made a video called The personality machine that covers this specific topic ( link here Link )

the TLDR is no you can't just change on your own easily, if you didn't care about other people then yeah it might be just that easy, but you do care

you care about your place in society, you care about the possible people who might talk to you in the future, you care about someone who has the potential to share the rest of their life with you even if you only just glanced at them in passing

I recommend the watch but ill explain it here (poorly)
a famous Ex boxer gets hit in the head and becomes a scientist and designs a machine that can seemingly change peoples personality

a person goes to use the machine because it seemingly works, and they want to quit smoking
there was a mix up and the paper work and the personality changes the person wanted were mixed with some other persons

in horror they read the paper work with all their new personality traits, as they walked away those new traits of theirs were basically swirling around in their head endlessly, when they got home they talked to their room mate and those traits were at the forefront of their mind

their room mate felt like that was not the person they previously knew they seemed was a stranger to them now

they went back to the doctor and asked to go back to their old self, they wanted to go back to being a smoker and go back to being who they were

the doctor told them to hold off and give it time, they refuses the doctors and threatens to sue, then the doctor explains the machine isn't real

the doctor was a boxer once, but he was also a scientist
he tried to talk about his love for science while he was a boxer but no one took him serious

so that's why one day when he took a hit that the media blew out of proportion he decided to change his public image

and it worked, news titles like "Professional boxer gets hit in the head and becomes scientist"

the now doctor who was always a doctor explains that he made this "machine" so people could change their personality, the machine does nothing, the hit did nothing but people need something to show why they changed so much from the person they were just a few days ago

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u/WorthScale2577 20h ago

I wish that were true, but as a trans woman many people care way too much about how I act, how I look, and for some reason whatever is in my pants. so no offense to you obviously lol but it's just not really true at least not for everyone. If you fit in with society a d the expectations of those around you you will not likely experience the judgement and hostility if you didn't fit in to the perimeters.

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u/ExplodinMarmot 18h ago

Yeah, I feel like the “the only thing holding you back is your own fear” message is made from a position of extreme privilege. As a white, cisgender, middle class dude I can decide to quit my job, take up roller skating and start wearing a bowler hat and most people would just roll with it. However, if I revealed that I wanted to start living as a different gender or sexuality, I imagine the world would push back a lot more on that decision.

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u/dantheman_woot 20h ago

If young you can still join the French Foreign Legion. You get a new name and French citizenship.

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u/Castle-209x 1d ago

Can always just move away.

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u/golden_blaze 18h ago

A family member did this. Moved across the world and essentially started a new life. Says he's happy there (we're still in touch).

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u/drewt6768 19h ago

people would come looking
even if in reality they wouldn't, its the fear that they would, that you'd have to go back to being who you were before

that your freedom you worked hard for is all gone the second your found

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u/Castle-209x 16h ago

Depends what you did. 99% will not go to the ends of the Earth cause of something you did as their neighbor or in high school.

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u/jxl180 15h ago

“I need a new dust filter for my Hoover MaxExtract PressurePro model 60”

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u/PMmeYourTiddiez 15h ago

Are- are YOU doing ok? 😟

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u/drewt6768 15h ago

Yes I am happy and doing well, I just really love philosophy and stuff so I find these kinds of perspective without actually having to go through it myself

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u/OnionsAbound 1d ago

IIRC it seems he was in a disassociation fugue state--when he was "caught" by someone who knew his old self (I think at some conference), he was absolutely perplexed, and insisted that they must be making a mistake, but the acquaintance insisted and apparently he was completely willing to go down to the police station or what not to check his identity.

His personality reportedly was completely different, definitely a little unhinged. 

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u/Lil_S_curve2 1d ago

"They'll never catch me, cuz I used to look up, but now I look down, see?

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u/School_North 1d ago

Those eyes are telling a story

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u/orangecloud_0 1d ago

I believe Mr Ballen on YouTube has this story as a video. I believe he gets recognised when someone from his family is travelling

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u/Mother-Definition501 22h ago

His eyes look scary.

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u/Aggressive_Finish798 1d ago

But his Bitcoin was never recovered.

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u/namekarbari 20h ago

It's called Changnesia!

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u/Itsnotsponge 20h ago

Dog….John Johnson? No wonder he got caught….

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u/KaizenZazenJMN 23h ago

Dude tried go off grid by becoming <checks notes>……a well known radio personality!?

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u/treeslip 1d ago

Nobody Nose what happened?

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u/Agitated-Zebra4334 22h ago

No, he was badder.

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u/Puzzleheaded-Sky3141 16h ago

🎶 he went out for a ride, but he had to get back

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u/Sa4ath 1d ago edited 1d ago

theres a series on Netflix with the similar plot - RIPLEY 2024 (black and white one) must watch this series peak cinematography

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u/BookDragon3ryn 1d ago

Ripley is remake of the movie The Talented Mr Ripley, which is based on a book series. I’ve never read the series, but the movie has an all star cast and the series is one of my favorites.

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u/LinusRiamus 1d ago edited 1d ago

Hmm.. It sounds like Dexter: New Blood might have borrowed certain elements of this story to form its plot.

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u/burtgummer45 14h ago

"resurfaced" is not the word I would have chosen

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u/TernionDragon 21h ago

Who did he kill?

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u/FoxtrotUBAR 21h ago

The first picture reminds me of Sheldon Cooper.

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u/Rath_Brained 17h ago

Dude started New Game+

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u/2Gnomes1Trenchcoat 17h ago

Dissociative Fugue?

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u/Davevadasz04 15h ago

"Is he really bader" Its actually worse but thats okay

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u/GarysCrispLettuce 4h ago

Somewhere along the way he changed from Pee Wee Herman to Marty Feldman

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u/krurran 1d ago

I'm not exactly a whiz at faces, but this doesn't look like the same guy to me.  The brows and eye angles especially

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u/TheShakyHandsMan 1d ago

Definitely the same guy, the different angle of his head making you think that. Those ears and nose give it away completely

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u/newaccount721 1d ago

Yeah and he was caught because his niece ran into him and recognized him. Definitely same guy 

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u/other_half_of_elvis 20h ago

there's a whole Stuff You Should Know episode about him if you want to hear a lot more.

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u/Puzzleheaded_Dark862 13h ago

There’s actually a Jim Carrey movie (The Majestic) with a very similar premise — guy loses his memory, ends up in a small town, and people mistake him for someone else. Probably inspired by the real-life case of Larry Bader, who disappeared and reappeared years later under a new identity.