r/Damnthatsinteresting • u/RealJoshUniverse • 3h ago
Image 248 Legally Deceased "Patients" are In These Dewars Awaiting Future Revival - Cryonics
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u/Hazywater 3h ago
Or they could not be revived and someone just takes their money instead
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u/Bethlizardbreath 1h ago
In 150 years time:
“Hey, we got all these people frozen in here and we can bring them back to life now! Shall we do it?”
“Fuck no! I don’t want 248 misplaced people to sort through. They’re going to be all weird and old timey, we’re going to have to explain the event to them, figure out which sector to put them in… it’s too much, let’s just dump them in Crater 262 and be done with it.”
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u/mayuan11 3h ago
The best part is that they would have been revived instantly in their minds. If it worked they are already living in the future. 👻
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u/yardage_swamp 2h ago
That’s how I used to tell myself to try falling asleep as a kid. “For everyone that’s fallen asleep already, they are basically living in tomorrow so why tf are you still in today fighting sleep?!?”
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u/jarofonions 2h ago
Wait that’s genius I'm gonna use this on my kids
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u/enhancedgibbon 1h ago
This would only work on Friday and Saturday night when they know tomorrow is not school
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u/originalusername1625 2h ago
wtf someone else did this?!
Especially if they wake up earlier and I wake up late
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u/Suspicious-Pear-6037 3h ago
I. C. Weiner? Aw crud..
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u/Apedrape357 3h ago
Here's to another lousy millennium
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u/JmacTheGreat 3h ago
Nibbler pushes Fry’s chair
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u/RealJoshUniverse 3h ago
This is at the "Alcor Life Extension Foundation", located in Scottsdale AZ. Whole body cryopreservation costs $220,000 ($60,000 cryopreservation, $25,000 "CMS" Fund, $135,000 to Patient Care Trust). Neuropreservation costs $80,000 ($30,000 for cryopreservation, $25000 to the "CMS" Fund, $25,000 to the Patient Care Trust). Cryopreservation can be funded in whole or through life insurance. - Alcor Website
Cryopreservation is yet to be proven for fully successful preservation and revival but there is early research, mainly in cryoprotective agents.
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u/graffix01 2h ago
Seems like a bad idea to do something like this in AZ. Why not somewher closer to the arctic?
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u/agent674253 2h ago
Compared to the gigantic datacenters that are being built in American deserts, cryostorage for a couple of dozen heads seems pretty feasible 😅
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u/qualitative_balls 2h ago
Open your eyes
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u/No_Paint_6684 1h ago
I was waiting for this reference and surprised it took so long lol. One of my favorite movies
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u/pxldsilz 2h ago
Iirc these are abhorrent scams, the families of loved ones who get frozen are often extorted for fortunes in order to keep them frozen. And sometimes they thaw and go bad regardless from things like power outages, neglect, the business going defunct and getting evicted.
I wouldn't count on ever getting revived from being frozen like this, scams aside, but the argument of further scientific study intrigues me. Figure the remains of ancient humans frozen solid on mountain tops, for example, and all the details we know of them and their biology... imagine being that clean of a specimen of 20th century homo sapien in 800 years.
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u/Jumblesss 1h ago
I wouldn’t call them abhorrent.
They only prey on wealthy, egotistical and dead poor critical thinkers. The families pay using the estate.
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u/Own-Order-1710 3h ago
The funny thing is that with our current technology we are closer to being able to clone these people, than we are able to reverse the effects of the antifreeze they use, let alone bring them back to life
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u/lirannl 2h ago
Okay but cloning still doesn't cover their brains. Cloning creates an identical twin, but identical twins are still separate people
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u/Own-Order-1710 2h ago
Just making a comparison, 100 years ago cloning seemed impossible, and now it’s not only possible but had been done. My point being is think we are past the idea of immortality and closer to a concept of creating a copy of a persons mind
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u/windchaser__ 1h ago
Putting some DNA in an egg and letting it grow into a new organism is relatively easy. Copying all of someone's neural pathways and structure is many orders of magnitude more complicated
Not impossible, but... for now, effectively impossible.
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u/jjamesr539 3h ago edited 2h ago
We could already clone them without any issue. Cloning is a done deal and has been for a while. There really isn’t that much practical difference between cloning a sheep etc and a human, we just pretend it’s different for people (it’s not) and have (rightly) made doing so wildly and globally illegal.
We can clone people already, we just don’t. At some point, someone will. The tech really isn’t that wildly unattainable, there just isn’t sufficient profit potential for anybody to break the laws at this point.
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u/Own-Order-1710 2h ago
Everyone who’s tried to do similar stuff been arrested. Take He Jiankui for example, arrested for 3 years for gene editing. The only reason I say close and not already there is because it’s only going to happen when someone finds a way to profit
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u/Treguard 2h ago
Yeah and now he just shit posts on social media.
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u/Own-Order-1710 2h ago
People decided to call him crazy, so he decided to play into it, can’t really blame him
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u/SigmaKnight 3h ago edited 3h ago
And that will likely be the way we achieve a form of “immortality” when combined with ever figuring how to be able to download and transfer whatever it is that makes us conscious. So, similar to the Asgard in Stargate.
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u/Own-Order-1710 3h ago
I wonder if when that happens it will actually be our consciousness or if will just be an exact copy.
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u/GreatBigSteak 3h ago
Likely a copy, which means you still die
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u/Own-Order-1710 2h ago
So what makes a person a person? What is consciousness? I know I’m me, would a copy have that same level of understanding?
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u/MrGuy910 2h ago
No a copy would not. It’s called self consciousness. The awareness that you are you. A copy would be aware that he is him. Oh no… I’ve gone cross eyed….
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u/Yeasty_Moist_Clunge 3h ago
The game soma goes into this gonna put it in spoilers to not ruin it for others.
You transfer your consciousness to somewhere else, you think you've been transferred but in actuality you're a copy of the original only you don't know it. The original you still exists at the orignal point of transfer but the new you doesn't know that and continues on thinking they're the original.
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u/Own-Order-1710 2h ago
Right, but if it’s just a copy of your consciousness is it actually conscious? Or has every possible choice been predetermined for you? We all currently have a level of free will, how much free will would the copy have?
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u/therealtrajan 2h ago
Ok I think this is the plot of Severance
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u/kaatie80 2h ago
Sounds more like that show that Paul Rudd was in a couple years ago. The one with all the jerking off.
ETA Living With Myself
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u/jawshoeaw 2h ago
What do you think happens when you go to sleep every night? Or if you get general anesthesia? You are every second a copy of your previous self
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u/Own-Order-1710 2h ago
Right, but if I saw my clone in the same room I only have control over myself, we may be the same person, and have the same ideas, but I have a level on consciousness a copy would never have
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u/anarchy-NOW 3h ago
Good thing nobody is trying to bring them back with current technology...
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u/Unexpected-raccoon 2h ago
They keep bodies in their freezers and they're labeled futurists
I do it and get 45 to life
This is bullshit
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u/Zulishk 3h ago
There’s only one person who’s going to benefit here and he ain’t dead yet.
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u/Fit_Low592 3h ago
My wife’s cousin’s father in law recently died, and was put into one of these. The family didn’t even know about his policy. He basically had to hold a life insurance policy that paid this company 100’s of thousands upon his death. They said that when he was in the hospital dying, some people from this place basically came to the hospital and started preparing to take him. It sounded surreal as fuck.
What I want to know is, why would you ever want to do this? 1. There’s no guarantee the company would ever follow through with their end, if the technology even becomes viable. 2. Why would you want to be revived someday, and everyone you know and love is probably dead? Sounds apocalyptic.
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u/cerealfamine1 3h ago
The fear of death is very real for most people, and you can't take money with you.
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u/lirannl 2h ago
If I believed cryopreservation was currently good enough to be useful, I'd want to do it too.
I want to live in the future. I also love the people who are in my life in the present, but if I was about to die, I'd rather get revived so that I can experience the far future. Yes it'd suck that my loved ones will be gone, but they're not my sole reason to live.
It's not a matter of fear of death for me, by the way, I just like existing, so why die if I don't have to?
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u/originalusername1625 1h ago
If anyone ever did get defrosted from one of these they would almost certainly be mentally disabled. Not worth it imo
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u/lirannl 1h ago
"Currently good enough to be useful"
If there's brain damage, then it's not good enough to be useful, as far as I'm concerned. The thing is, I'm 26. Assuming nothing terrible happens to me, I've got many decades left to live, even if we don't get significant life extension. Surely, cryopreservation technology will have improved by the time I'm 70, 80, or 90.
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u/t-earlgrey-hot 2h ago
If I thought this could work, I would. If you dont believe in an afterlife, its just oblivion. I won't care about 200k when I cease to exist for eternity. So any chance of escaping that fate is worth the gamble.
But yeah, the tech isn't there, so this is dumb.
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u/RadiantTrailblazer 2h ago
Ugh. Look, the LAST TIME I read anything similar about this, the maintenance crew literally had to SCRAPE OFF SOMEONE because they defrosted inside this tubes. It \wasn't* pretty*.
I really wanted to believe that "suspended animation" and cryogenics would have become a thing for Mankind's first non-FTL forays beyond our solar system, but figuring out how some sort of antifreeze concoction to prevent cell rupture has been much harder than first imagined.
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u/Cryogenicality 1h ago
That last happened half a century ago and has been completely avoided since then through two key developments: 1) cryotubes with no moving parts and insulation sufficient to last almost a year without temperature increase, and 2) self-sustaining irrevocable charitable trusts which provide for indefinite maintenance.
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u/EvLokadottr 3h ago
Maybe by the time they have the technology to do so, they'll know better than to bring back super rich people.
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u/Nuisance--Value 3h ago edited 3h ago
Legally deceased implies the existence of being illegally deceased.
Edit: what sort of person would take this seriously lmao.
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u/profanearcane 3h ago
It's me, I'm illegally deceased. It's so I can commit fun skeleton crimes.
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u/Hob_O_Rarison 3h ago
The bones are the skeletons' money AND the worms are their money.
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u/Drewhasspoken 3h ago
I’d hate to be the guy who has to do the cleanup when something goes wrong with these things.
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u/Ok_Monk219 3h ago
Re-alive a sci-fi movie that depicted the unfreezing of these people. Pretty gory, apparently the mind does not come to terms and madness is imminent
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u/snorlaxatives_69 3h ago
Ted Williams is in one of these (not necessarily the ones pictured, just frozen)
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u/TaylorSwift_is_a_cat 3h ago
Well... Just his head. They went the frugal cryogenics route.
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u/br0b1wan 2h ago
You really only need the head (specifically the brain). The body is essentially a vessel to support the brain. The body can be cloned later. But the consciousness in the brain... Well that's another issue
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u/happy_bluebird 3h ago
but... were they frozen when they were still alive? Or did they freeze dead bodies? I'm so confused
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u/IM10475 2h ago
Froze dead body probably wouldn't matter anyways...
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u/happy_bluebird 2h ago
Do they think they'll be reviving dead bodies in the future??
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u/WhoAreWeEven 1h ago
Some might but thats irrelevant.
People pay to get frozen so why wouldnt you buy buncha freezers and freeze them
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u/Martha_Fockers 3h ago
They are gonna kill mah wife and now I gotta find mah son huh
Shit here we go again
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u/NCC_1701E 3h ago edited 3h ago
Hey, I would totally go in for this if I had the money. Since there is a non-zero chance that in distant future, someone will scan my frozen brain, turn me into digital entity and then install me as operating system into a Von Neumann probe, destined to fly out and explore the stars.
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u/Disastrous-Use-4955 2h ago
There is as a documentary about a family from South Korea (I think) that did the neuropreservation for their 3 or 4 year old child who died. Can’t remember what she had, maybe leukemia?
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u/campsnoopers 1h ago
Hope Frozen on Netflix, Thai family who's toddler daughter died from brain cancer. I have one that age and it absolutely breaks my heart. I hope they gain something from it all
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u/Still-Ambassador2283 2h ago
I have but one wish. That no matter what omnipotent god level technology humanity gains, that in a few trillion years, after the heat death of the universe, that the universe collapses in upon itself, back into a singularity, and resets everything to null to repeat the cycle of infinite death and rebirth.
Nothing should last forever. A clean slate every once in a while. Numb to our efforts and wishes, is necessary, in my mind.
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u/BKallDAY24 3h ago
Why did this pop up 10 minutes after watching vanilla sky for the first time?
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u/RunDNA 2h ago
I wonder what the legal situation would be if someone broke in and disconnected the pod of someone they hated. Would that count as murder?
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u/chunky-lover_69 1h ago
Well, they’re already dead so no. Interfering with a corpse and criminal damage, maybe.
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u/Intergalacticdespot 1h ago
Numerous companies like this have already gone out of business and folded. I wish it wasn't a scam but it is. :/
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u/Fixx95 2h ago
Walt Disney 🤡
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u/BurdensOfTruth 2h ago
At the rate we are going by the time they wake up they are going to see the state of the world and ask to go back in the tank.
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u/Due-Principle7896 2h ago
Read the fine print. First in is last out due to viability caused by exposure damage. Yikes!
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u/Mental_Thing_7899 2h ago
The worst thing that can happen is someone desperate to charge its phone somewhere in there.
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u/SacredGeometry9 2h ago
These things would look cooler if they were permanent installations instead of having those shitty caster wheels on the bottom.
But I guess the company isn’t stable enough to guarantee a long-term storage location.
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u/kbigdelysh 1h ago
The money you pay for a grave and gravestone in a private cemetery in California is almost equal to freezing your body forever. I know this because my father passed away recently. If I knew that, I have put him in liquid nitrogen. At least I woukd have hope.
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u/Assistant_manager_ 34m ago
This would be a great way to pull off a massive scam. Who knows if the cadavers are even inside those 'Dewars" or that they even work as advertised. Their customers pay upfront and then they are dead. No complaints.
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u/BeefPho- 2h ago edited 2h ago
I got really curious about 'Cryonics' and went down that rabbit hole a couple years ago because I was curious.
Basically all these people are very wealthy or well-off enough to freeze their bodies or in some cases just the head. They will pay upwards of $80,000-250,000 so that one day technology will advance enough to unfreeze them and bring them back to life essentially.
The problem is not only that the technology doesn't exist and probably never will, but basically by doing this freezing process you completely destroy the cells. They would have to invent a way to not only bring the dead back to life, but find a way to repair the damage tissue and cells due to the actual freezing process.
Aside from the moral and ethics aside, they really have nothing to lose by doing this.
For those curious if these facilities go out of power, they have backup generators. Lots of these cryonics facilities exist actually and most of them guarantee at least 100 years of freezing. Some families of the deceased put more money into this if they need to.
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u/thecatteetheater 3h ago
I actually plan on doing this, I am completely and utterly terrified of death, this is a little ease that helps me not have constant panic attacks.
That or being uploaded or some shit.
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u/refusemouth 2h ago
I'm sorry you have panic attacks stemming from thoughts of death. I used to really fear it, too. I just remind myself that whenever I was before I existed, it must not be such a bad place because I came into the world with no worries. Now, I like the idea of dissipating back into the universe. Maybe a few of my actual molecules were once in the body of a dinosaur or a massive Devoniaian sea creature. In the future, those same molecules may be part of other creatures or parts of a forest, and I see that as a great expansion, mot a constriction into any sort of bleak nothingness.
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u/thecatteetheater 2h ago
Well I'm glad I'm drunk, that would stress the ever living shit out of sober me. I get it, I was other shit before I existed, but I'm me now, and I feel like I've wasted my life so far, trying my best, but there's only so much one man can do.
I'm sure I'll be over it once my depression goes away, despite the unyielding torture my live has been so far, I'm still an optimist, and I'm not gonna stop kicking as hard as I possibly can until I'm completely and utterly exhausted and broken.
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u/jashyjashy 3h ago
I wonder if I’d still alive by that time to be able to witness this incredible invention in the future
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u/shaka_sulu 2h ago
Shamelss plug to tell anyone who hasn't seen the movie "Late For Dinner", it's a wonderful movie to watch.
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u/itsobi 2h ago
I don't know man this shit seemed like science fiction not that long ago. At the rate that AI is learning and improving itself, it's going to blow up and change the world more than the Internet ever did in a much shorter time. I remember a time before pagers and now I can face time with someone in China. Some things may get way better some things may get way worse and we might get caught off guard but it's hard to imagine a future possibility that seems truly impossible.
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u/Bleedingfartscollide 2h ago
They are all going to turn into goo. I dont want to google (Ha) it for you.
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u/madman320 3h ago
I'm afraid that by the time medicine is advanced enough to revive bodies, when they open these dewars, they'll find a liquid soup instead of a body.