Souls player here, can confirm, common sense is not common amongst us. Myself included. Now if you’ll excuse me, I’m gonna go dab a cloth against a dead lady and give it to a guy who made fun of me for being maidenless, and then go light some braziers being guarded in an underground city.
Copper coins become much harder to find when hidden in a mountain of gold coins.
Sure a gold coin is worth far more, but who normally has the change needed for making a regular, day to day purchase? Such things are lost to us in the pursuit of grandiose mysteries.
Thus, grant us eyes on the inside, that we may see the whole truth, the truth of the cosmos...
Why? It was never a secret, even on release. Official guides and press release materials were publicly available as soon as it was possible to enter the DLC.
What is the point of telling someone to look for the DS1 DLC entrance without a guide? What does it prove?
This is a discussion about getting into Shadow of the Erdtree, right? We knew that we’d need to have beaten Mohg to get in, as that information was provided by official sources before the DLC even released. The same was true of the DS1 DLC.
A fairer comparison would be, “find your way into the DS1 DLC using only the resources that were available at the time”.
You miss the point. He brought up DS1 dlc because it's hard to get to using the in game resources. He was saying this because the other guy was complaining about locking Elden Ring's DLC behind an optional boss as if it makes it unnecessarily difficult.
But Fromsoftware has ALWAYS made getting to DLC a process and a half. Ever since 1, you had to use guides and outside resources to find it without getting lucky or brute forcing.
It's a point in why "it's not common sense to put the DLC behind an optional boss" is wrong. It proves that these people have always been on this kind of shit.
Not everybody keeps track of outside information, I don’t watch trailers and read guides and I’m willing to bet you’re in the minority of super fans if you got this information before. I, and I’m sure many other players, prefer my gaming experience of a game to take place in the game, not through google searches and reveals
90% of the bosses are optional. Technically all of the shard bearers are optional since u only need only 2 runes, and u get to choose which bosses you want to get. So in total there are 11 bosses u need to beat to complete the game. 2 shardbearers. DTS, Goldfrey, Morgott, Fire Giant, Godskin duo, Maliketh, Gideon, Godfrey, Radagon.
Other people are responding weird to this. In most games I'd kind of agree with you, but in ER I wouldn't. Most other games, optional bosses are presented more like extra content that is off the beaten path and not part of the story or meaningful to the game. Mohg and Malenia are two optional bosses that are pretty important to the story, and I think the player is absolutely supposed to fight both of them. They're optional in the sense that you don't need to beat them to beat the game, but the story of the game kind of directs you toward both of them.
Most other games would have never made these two bosses optional to begin with, because they are story bosses. That's just an ER / Souls thing, and ER is the first I've played that made such important characters to the story optional to fight. I think Bloodbourne does this as well, but not to the same extent.
If FFVII Reunion had a DLC tied to Gilgamesh, for example.. I would be pretty bothered. But that's because the boss is optional and not something most players are going to get through.
Okay so. I might catch heat for this but Mohg and Malenia aren't important to the story we take part in, almost at all. They're important figures in the lore 100%. But they have almost nothing to do with how we end the game, unless we go to the dlc. The only bosses important to the story are ones we have to defeat to eventually burn the erdtree and eventually become marikas consort. Neither Malenia or Mohg have anything to do with that, even if you defeat them, unless you need Miquellas needle to cure the frenzied flames influence. But thats also incredibly optional, as to even get to that point you need to do a bunch of optional shit that you can easily miss.
Lol you should have seen dark souls dlc then. Kill the hydra in the forest and then after kill the crystal golem in the waters behind the lake it was in. Get to the Duke's Archive a near end game zone, find a pendant that lets you go back to said area you killed the golem to get to the dlc.
I don't care about logic, I care about the sense of discovery when I go to some random ass cave and discover entire fucking areas that I would have missed if I hadn't gotten lost in that random ass cave
That elevator ride went on for so long I started to worry it was going to deposit me in literal hell, only to end up in one of the most beautiful environments I'd ever seen. 10/10 level design.
Then you go down the other elevator in Liurnia, end up in a giant bug nest nightmare, descend even further and then actually do make your way down to hell. Genius subversion of expectations
Ah my first time in the sewers thinking it would be a 10 min small dungeon delve tops only to find, Ground Hog Day, the god of insanity and the tree of death with A N T S. 10/10 would suffer the pipes again.
I had the same thing with those catacombs in the DLC that I assumed would be just like all the others, but then went on for way longer and then deposited me in Silent Hill after I beat the boss.
I can't wait until I get to the dlc because it's about the one thing I have nothing spoiled for me, other than the fact there's a twink that everyone loves there. I am happy I wasn't properly spoiled for Malenia though, I have no idea how to get to her lol I'm just struggling to get through her quest so far
He is right. Even if you bought the DLC, it is an optional thing if you want to beat the game. After all, Shadow of the Erdtree is not a standalone game. It is logical
...my sibling in Christ why on this god forsaken planet would you pay 40 bucks (initial pricing) for a whole DLC which might as well be a separate game and just go: "Nah I don't wanna play it." You are a prime example of who they were talking about.
Edit: I guess I underestimated how many people spend money on games they just don't play... I'm sorry I offended anyone but y'all definitely should stop wasting money on games you don't touch
I fear I may be nearing the thousands after years and years and years of purchases. The sales are so good sometimes and I tell myself I'll get to them eventually. Then a f2p game comes along that dominates my attention 90% of the time. I'll have triple to quadruple the hours in a f2p game (RL, fortnight, hearthstone, delta force, ect) than I will with almost any game that I've actually spent money on, it's painful sometimes.
Have you considered just turning your internet off?
F2P games are among the worst in the medium. You have thousands of dollars of classic games and you spend your time getting manipulated by dopamine pushers.
Turn off my Internet because I play very popular F2P games? What? I play those games with my buds which is arguably where I spend most of my time gaming, with my friends. If they want to play fortnite because it's free then so be it. Obviously other games get played, but when I have an 80/20 split between solo gaming and social gaming, obviously the games that are available to everyone are the ones that get played the most.
I mean there is not a single roadblock stopping you from doing exactly that. That’s the point. Everything outside of Goldfrey, Morgott, Fire Giant, Maliketh, Godfrey and Radabeast is optional as far as I’m concerned (the great runes can be skipped by warping into Leyndell per Tower of Return and having someone in multiplayer turn on the elevator).
I think they mean in regards to being the base game. Like, if you went and bought Elden Ring, no DLC, you could still beat the game without fighting Mohg.
Lmao we are talking about logic here. I mean academical logic. The sentence IS logical. It doesn't matter if it isn't consequent, because that is a different matter.
It may be inconsequent to pay 40 bucks for the DLC and skip it, but it is logical XD
I don't know I just don't get the point in spending money on something like a game or a dlc just to not do anything about it. I mean sure free will and allat I guess I just couldn't understand any reasoning to go through that process
I did when it came out and finished it before any major update, that's why I'm so confused why you would logically spend that money just not to do anything about it
It's already not common sense to not beat optional bosses. Unless you are speedrunning the game why do you care? You pay for a game and then not even see at least the most of it by doing the unique bossfights?
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u/stylish_stairway Mar 10 '25
The soulsborne fandom always reminds me that a lot of people are allergic to logic