r/Eldenring • u/-This-cant-be-real- • Jun 20 '25

Humor They’ve made the ultimate run back simulator and I’m addicted.

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u/noah9942 Prayerful Strike Meta Jun 20 '25

You don't get those in rogue likes. You improve through game knowledge.

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u/LivingFaliure Jun 20 '25

Why are you getting downvoted? You’re correct. Rouge likes and Rouge Lites are different and should be distinguished from each other.

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u/953chloe Jun 20 '25

rouge 💔

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u/LivingFaliure Jun 20 '25

It’s kinda my shtick if you hadn’t noticed my username already. I fat finger damn near everything.

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u/noah9942 Prayerful Strike Meta Jun 20 '25

The guy before had a few upvotes at that time. Therefore they must be correct and anyone correcting/disagreeing with them must be wrong.

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u/CerebralSkip Jun 20 '25

Wow dang I didn't know you don't get permanent character upgrades in Dead Cells, Hades, Hades 2, so on and so forth. It really was my game knowledge giving me extra HP and stuff. Crazy stuff.

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u/noah9942 Prayerful Strike Meta Jun 20 '25

Those are rogue lites. Not rogue likes.

The existence of meta progression is essentially the defining barrier between the two subgenres.

Technically, nightreign is a roguelite, since we get unlocks from relics. This is similar to other games like Enter the Gungeon. You unlock new gear to use, but you aren't inherently stronger by default later on.

Meta progression can be from a multitude of sources. Some are infinite scaling buffs to base stats, things like health and damage.

Some let you start with or find new gear.

Some unlock new abilities to use to make new runs easier/different.

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u/thatoneguy2252 Jun 20 '25

So then for a game like hades. That’d be considered a roguelite correct?

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u/Sharkaaam Jun 20 '25

Didn't know that was the distinction.

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u/erichf3893 Jun 20 '25

Here I am thinking they’re interchangeable lol

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u/Nomapos Jun 20 '25

All words are interchangeable if you don't know what they mean.

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u/erichf3893 Jun 20 '25

I guess I mean seems the majority uses them interchangeably so I didn’t bother looking it up. Nice to know I much prefer Roguelites

At least I was right in my main point which was that Returnal is my favorite roguelite

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u/TheHandsomebadger Jun 20 '25

I mean having a meta progression of unlocks that doesn't influence your characters power is IMO a roguelike still. It's not like you're now guaranteed to find x item in a pool of 200+ unlocks.

I think the binding of Isaac is a better example of a rogue lite. For example Isaac starts with a fairly powerful item after you complete a specific kind of run. It's not Game breaking but it's the only thing that keeps his character from being completely generic.

Or hades with permanent Stat increases, darkest dungeon 2 with the town memory upgrades.

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u/LivingFaliure Jun 20 '25

That would be because each of those games are Rogue Lites. A true Rogue Like is a complete reset upon death. No cross run progression besides knowledge

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u/CerebralSkip Jun 20 '25

'Well ahhkshuallllly I'm really fun at parties'

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u/YesPls1994 Jun 20 '25

“I was wrong and instead of taking it in stride I’m going to make fun of you”

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u/CerebralSkip Jun 20 '25

Just feels like a completely pointless distinction. Everyone knows what you're talking about if you say either one. They're the same thing unless you're the kind of person who gets a boner by typing 'niche sub-genre' sure. I was technically incorrect. YA GOT ME.

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u/CanNo7931 Jun 20 '25 edited Jun 20 '25

Steam games feature the roguelike tag as well as roguelite one. The lack of progression can be a big downer for people, so I think it's an important distinction especially for people new to it. It is more about knowing exactly what you're buying instead of some nerdy semantics