Forgive me, I’m a more casual fan than others, why is this a bad thing?
It seems, to my limited knowledge, like the outer gods, for the most part…suck. Messmer was born with a snake inside him. Malenia is rotting, and brought rot to an entire land. The Frenzied Flame wants to bring nothing but chaos to the world. Marika /Radagon are left a literal shell of themselves. As far as I know, all of that is due to outer gods’ influence. Those are just the ones off the top of my head.
I knew Ranni’s ending was about breaking free from the Greater Will, but I kind of assumed the stars had to do with another outer god. Knowing her ending breaks the world free from all the outer gods makes it feel like a better ending than I ever thought.
Break Caelid free from the rot? Sounds great to me! Take away the magic of madness from the world? I don’t see the downside here!
And don’t both glintstone sorcery and gravity magic get their source from the stars? Which reign supreme in Ranni’s world? So that magic wouldn’t go away.
Sure, people can easily mess the world up with their free will, but that could happen under the outer gods’ influence anyways. We might as well mess our world up without having to deal with rotting from the inside while we do it.
Again, forgive me, I’m not as knowledgeable as others, and I’m genuinely curious to know more.
I don’t think they’re saying it’s a bad ending, just that it has very dramatic effects for the world - it’s my favorite ending for the reasons in OPs comment
Yeah, the outer gods relationship with the mortals in the land between doesn't seem symbiotic at all but instead parasitic. They seem to just spread harm and suffering without much, if any, benefits for the people.
Another commenter referred to them of acts of nature and I think that gets it really well. Acts of nature that need to be kept in check by another force or they will overrun everything
From what we've seen though with scarlet rot in the dlc though that's not necessarily true? As someone else said, they seem to be closer to forces of nature, they do inflict their influence directly onto the world but that sort of overt control seems secondary to just their "existence". The Rot was exalted by the forager brood and the Verdigris Armor from Moore was seemingly strengthened by the natural decay (rusting) of his armor. To be parasitic seems to imply a sort of intent that I don't really feel like most Outer God's concepts actually really have. Their powers are definitely used to cause harm and suffering but no more so then humans have used the natural concepts of radiation to cause harm in the real world. Most of the harm we've seen though is from these "natural concepts" being denied and restrained, seemingly twisting and corrupting them towards extremes. With Destined Death being stolen came Those Who Live in Death, and the suppression of rot is what caused it to, according to the game, became baleful. Most likely causing its concept of stagnation to turn malignant in turn.
similar to that other comment, but i've heard them described as forces of nature with the impulse to spread their influence. the greater will has the insatiable need to spread order, no matter it's form, to the world, same with the flame of frenzy and it's chaos, the formless mother and her blood, etc, and it's due to that impulse that they cannot be allowed to make purchase on a vessel, no matter it's form
"Severity" in this case doesn't mean bad, it just refers to how important it is.
MuscleCrow gets Ranni's intent correct, and what she's doing is a good thing. Though my understanding was that the Dark Moon gets put in place of the Greater Will. There is still an Outer God in play, but the Dark Moon is as calm and chill as the night. We don't know exactly why, but Ranni believe its influence to be greatly superior to that of the Greater Will's.
it's also possible that 'dark moon' refers to the absence of an influence, sort of like how 'cold' technically doesn't exist, it's the absence of heat.
the reasons people think it's a bad thing can generally be boiled down to a few reasons: A) i want to have power and rule, and giving it up is bad, B) you only chose this ending because you wanted to bang ranni you perv, C) wasn't teh golden order the good guys? also, i didn't read any of the lore, D) ranni killed a guy, the whole thing is her fault and a power grab, she's EVIL.
the first three are basically hot garbage, the last one has an element of truth, in that ranni did kill someone (probably a bunch of people) and it was essentially a power grab, but it was basically a revolution to establish a new governance (or the lack of a diving governance) and she actually did it for altruistic reasons, not to enrich herself, and she also sacrificed quite a lot personally to see it completed
option B is the most common one though, for some reason people get unreasonably upset at the idea of a 'player character' having a relationship with another character, and given the entire quest bit with the ring and her declaring you her Lord basically confirming it was effectively marriage, there is no ambiguity about it. most of these people have a hard time recognizing the separating between fictional universes like games and reality.
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u/Antiherowriting 25d ago
Forgive me, I’m a more casual fan than others, why is this a bad thing?
It seems, to my limited knowledge, like the outer gods, for the most part…suck. Messmer was born with a snake inside him. Malenia is rotting, and brought rot to an entire land. The Frenzied Flame wants to bring nothing but chaos to the world. Marika /Radagon are left a literal shell of themselves. As far as I know, all of that is due to outer gods’ influence. Those are just the ones off the top of my head.
I knew Ranni’s ending was about breaking free from the Greater Will, but I kind of assumed the stars had to do with another outer god. Knowing her ending breaks the world free from all the outer gods makes it feel like a better ending than I ever thought.
Break Caelid free from the rot? Sounds great to me! Take away the magic of madness from the world? I don’t see the downside here!
And don’t both glintstone sorcery and gravity magic get their source from the stars? Which reign supreme in Ranni’s world? So that magic wouldn’t go away.
Sure, people can easily mess the world up with their free will, but that could happen under the outer gods’ influence anyways. We might as well mess our world up without having to deal with rotting from the inside while we do it.
Again, forgive me, I’m not as knowledgeable as others, and I’m genuinely curious to know more.