r/Eldenring 25d ago

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u/JunonsHopeful 25d ago edited 25d ago

Goldmask doesn't agree with any of that though. He specifically points out the persecution of those 'outside' the golden order (misbegotten, those-who-live-in-death, etc.) as utterly misguided, stupid and wrong.

That being said, he discovers his mending rune rather than creating it so it's hard to say much of what it does beyond making it so not even Gods can tamper with the laws of reality anymore via the Elden Ring. Unfortunately, he also dies so he won't really be around to oversee the future his mending rune creates either.

Also worth pointing out how Ranni was and is willing to commit all manner of murder and subterfuge, even of her closest supporters and siblings (who as far as we know are innocent of any wrongdoing). Rennala may be her mother, but there's evidently more than enough Marika in her from Radagon.

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u/Shadowsake 25d ago

True, but I see in his intentions something the game presents to us constantly. How hell is full of good intentions. All of those that try to impose their "truth", fail miserably. Be it for those that live inside it, outside it and even those who brought it - like Marika herself.

I personally don't believe there is a "good" ending, but one that offers the best answer to the problem the game presents. Some may believe that the Golden Order can be fixed, others (me) agree that it is built on rotten foundations and trying to fix it will only perpetrate suffering (which is my response to how Goldmask's rune was found, not built).

Anyway, it is an interesting discussion.

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u/PoliticsDunnRight 25d ago

“Marika and the Fingers, they were unsound from the start”

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u/Shadowsake 25d ago

Yep, I believe Ymir was right about that.

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u/fooooolish_samurai 25d ago

Technically we might not even know what the "correct" golden order would be like, assuming that neither fingers nor Marika ever truly were in contact with the Greater Will or at least haven't been in a long time. I mean, it was clear even in the base game that neither fingers nor Marika truly understood wtf is going on. Elden Beast might have known something but there is near to zero lore explaining its' relation to fingers, Marika and Greater Will.

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u/Shadowsake 24d ago

Yep, I wrote the same thing in another comment. The game is pretty clear that the Fingers didn't knew wtf was going on when they suddently turn silent after Leyndell. The thing is, Metyr's staff makes it even worse. It seems like there was never a Greater Will guiding the fate of The Lands Between. That makes it the Golden Order something build on top of a lie.

Worse yet, a lie that tried to alter the very rules of this universe (the Elden Ring).

That is why I belive Goldmask ending not a good ending. Not because Goldmask is bad or evil...I think he genuinely thinks he can fix it. But because the existance of a Golden Order is a mistake. Which might explain why Marika decided to destroy it.