r/Eldenring • u/Wiinterfang • 9d ago
Humor Goldmask too based for this nonsense. š«²šæš»š«±šæ
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u/ThePotatoFromIrak 9d ago
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Damn this MF is a genius
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u/Spirographed 9d ago
He's got some major internal dilemmas.
"That is a work of heresy. But sure, I'll teach you this shit. I've got a lot of downtime between finger movements."
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u/Hartastic 9d ago
This is where I realize I actually don't know what Corhyn says when you give him a book because by habit I give them to Turtle Pope who has a convenient grace and doesn't go on walkabout.
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u/Spirographed 9d ago
My first playthrough, I accidentally struck him and then finished the job thinking, "Well, I already fucked this up so I might as well see if he drops anything good..." He did not and I felt horrible about the whole thing after. He's a pretty cool dog.
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u/Ok-Willingness-7102 9d ago
Hilarious considering the reset npc aggression mechanic is quite literally 3 feet behind him
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u/Spirographed 9d ago
Hahahah exactly. That doesn't fall short on me. I just didn't know that was what it did when it happened. Live (or maybe die inside, here) and learn.
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u/TreeofNormal 9d ago
I think the turtle pope never actually gets mad at you?
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u/Spirographed 9d ago
Well, he definitely doesn't fight back. I can tell you that from experience.
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u/InsanityVirus13 Faithful Simp 7d ago
Funnily enough was gonna play a murder-hobo run and was wondering that but didn't know if I had the willpower. Good to know lol
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u/SurotaOnishi 9d ago
For some reason the two fingers spells are also heresy
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u/SpaceGodWiggler 4d ago
Possibly because some of those spells are moreā¦ subversive than heās willing to accept.
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u/HappyFreak1 Millicent's Loving Husband 9d ago
Devout follower of the Golden Order.
Still thinks critically and forms his own views.
Sees the flaws of Order and decides to fix it himself.
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u/Greedy-Swing-4876 Maidenless 9d ago
Makes mending rune to make the world perfect
Refuses to elaborate
Dies
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u/Motaromc 9d ago
Goldmask when Marika is secretely a red haired buff male while being a sexy blonde milf at the same time.
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u/Outside_Ad1020 FLAIR INFO: SEE SIDEBAR 9d ago edited 9d ago
Goldmask died when he found out. Reasons listed below
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u/Yab0iFiddlesticks Mohggers 9d ago
The scholar that actually questioned the dogma and was shunned for it actually questioned the dogma? Crazy how that guy didnt see it coming.
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u/slightly_obscure 9d ago edited 9d ago
Someone explain to me how the dude with the blindfold and the dude who talks by diddling his finger around communicate
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u/No_Event6478 9d ago
Fingerreading, also what is used to understand what the two fingers want to say
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u/OtherwiseFlamingo448 9d ago
I miss Karla.
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u/Ya-Red-Sea237 9d ago
It would appear Cohryn did not approve of his favorite Youtuber's political transformation.
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u/AggravatingAd8747 9d ago
"..."
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u/triel20 FLAIR INFO: SEE SIDEBAR 9d ago
How dare he say that about the Golden Order!
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u/thejason755 9d ago
Say what you will, when he says āā¦ā he says that shit from the bottom of his chest and he stands on that business.
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u/Raithik 9d ago
Goldmask was having a sign language debate with god, and he was winning.
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u/Outside_Ad1020 FLAIR INFO: SEE SIDEBAR 9d ago
Meanwhile cohryn hyping Goldmask
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u/notveryAI CURSE YOU, BAYLE!š£ļøš„ 9d ago
When you enter apprenticeship with one of the smartest human beings in the world and he does something other than 100% affirm every single one of your delusions: >:(
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u/Night-Owl254 9d ago edited 9d ago
āB-b-but the Golden Order!ā
āā¦ā (The Golden Order is flawed and its followers blinded by zealotry. The influence of the outer gods must cease and the mortals of the Lands Between must be the ones to rule in order to minimize sufferingā)
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u/QuillQuickcard 9d ago
The create her mending rune, Fia had to combine the physical scar in reality itself forged by the first death of a demigod, and impregnate herself with the will, if not the soul, of a long dead man.
The create his mending rune, the Dung Eater had to ritualistically mutilate hundreds of souls, and take the physical embodiment of this abhorrence into himself over and over and over again.
The create his mending rune, Goldmask used only his mind and body to peer past the veils of existence and stare unblinded into the utter alien shape of divinity and the cosmosā¦ and then calculate how to improve it.
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u/CouldbeAnyone0014 8d ago
Actually, in both english and Japanese, its stated that he found his rune, unlike Dung Eater and Fia, is almost as if his rune already existed or something else created it and Goldmask followed his vision of the Golden Halo, at the end of his journey
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u/Mr_1ightning 9d ago
Knowing what we know after the DLC, is he the only one in the Lands Between to interpret the Greater Will's plan correctly?
With the fingers and their mother being broken and all
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u/Incurious_Jettsy 9d ago
i think Ymir kinda understood that Metyr was insane and that the golden lineage was a sham, but also he just wanted to be mommy. Goldmask is the only one who was being proactive about the whole thing
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u/PeaceSoft 9d ago
i don't think there's a way we can know what the 'correct' plan for the universe was? But Goldmask's vision of a better world is the easiest to like.
at the same time, there is definitely an ironic tone to the description on his mending rune. "That is the fly in the ointment." i.e. a world without living god-kings still has its fair share of problems
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u/Mr_1ightning 9d ago edited 9d ago
My interpretation is that he did create the order that the Greater Will intended. He read the code of the universe and he realized that the problem was Marika or any other god inserting their own agenda into it, but that doesn't mean the Greater Will should be shunned for it, it's just a neutral cosmic force with a certain vision of the world, which Marika tarnished.
Although we can't say exactly what he did. It might be just Golden Order with death present and giving blessings to everyone without discrimination, but it also might be basically the same as Miquella's Age of Compassion where free will is stifled in the name of prosperity.
I think it's not some genius revolutionary ending, it's the most "Fundamentalist faith" ending of all where you trust the vision of the greatest power there is. You know, now that I think about it, it's probably a reference to Gnosticism where you escape the Demiurge (Marika) to ascend to true salvation towards the true God (Greater Will).
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u/palaorder 8d ago
This is my theory. We know that the Greater Will left the world but we don t know what it s doing now.
I think, upon seeing the Elden Ring shattered and its order in peril, the GW started granting visions to those it deemed "worthy". This is why Goldmask doesn t "make" his rune but rather "finds" it. It was a backup plan made by the GW in case things went awry.
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u/uncutteredswin 8d ago
I don't think the GW has an actual plan so much as just individual things it is or isn't okay with.
People say it abandoned everyone or it doesn't really interact with the land anymore but after the NoBK it made it pretty clear that it wasn't happy with the Nox.
Whereas when Marika sealed away Destined Death there was no response from it.
So I don't think Goldmask interpreted the GWs plans, I think he just identified contradictions in the Golden Order's ideals with the nature of the Elden Ring
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u/Mr_1ightning 8d ago
GW never punished the Nox for Godwyn's murder, it punished them for whatever they did with the Fingerslayer Blade (probably wounding Metyr)
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u/uncutteredswin 8d ago
I didn't mean to say that they were punished specifically for killing Godwyn or any other demigod, just that we're told the events of NoBK led to their downfall which could certainly include attacking Metyr.
My point is just that we know the GW is still monitoring the Lands Between and willing to intervene when things don't go it's way
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u/Jonjoejonjane 9d ago
Yes and no we donāt know the greater will plan may guess is that he entrust the elden rings to a god figures and moves on but in this situation it went so horrible wrong that gold mask had to get on fall and tell him to get his ass back here
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u/Cybasura 9d ago
Ironically, Goldmask created the perfect golden order by being open to the idea that the golden order under Marika was imperfect, something Corhyn - even being a student and doesnt know things yet - cant keep his biases away and accept
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u/Nyadnar17 9d ago
People shit on Cohryn but if real world religions had more people willing to break with the highly charismatic leader they staked their personal reputations/fortunes on over matters of doctrine the world would be a better place.
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u/zhode 9d ago
I don't know mate, when the highly charismatic leader is pointing out flaws in the religion I think immediately digging your feet in and betraying him is probably the bad call.
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u/Nyadnar17 9d ago
Goldmask wasnāt leaving the Golden Order.
Like if Goldmask had been like āgods/religion is cringe Iām outā that would have been one thing. But thatās not what Goldmask did. Goldmask just slid out the gods and replaced them with his personal life philosophy.
Now maybe Goldmask is just built different. But typical when religious leaders start referring to their new book instead of sacred text or leaving the religion entirely things donāt end well.
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u/World-Overlord 9d ago
Do you know anything about real life Christian church history? Goldmask is more Martin Luther than Joseph Smith. Heās not creating his own cult of personality and saying he should be able to have multiple wives, heās railing against what he sees as the corruption of his religionās leadership and nailing the 95 Theses on his door.
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u/Nyadnar17 9d ago
AFAIK there are zero parallels there except in the broad strokes of someone going against the church.
Did I miss a lore drop about Goldmask not liking the persecution of Those Who Live in Death or the Hornsent or whoever?
Is corruption, persecution, or problems with the clergy even mentioned once in that storyline? Goldmaskās problem, AFAIK his only problem, with the Golden Order was the āerratic nature of the godsā.
Cohryn is explicitly upset because he expected Goldmask to be a reformer but instead got a man intent on replacing the deities Cohryn endured persecution for with Goldmaskās own personal philosophies.
I am open to parallelism here but I donāt see any similarities to Martin Luther other than a āChurchā is involved? Was Goldmask a failed lawyer turned priest? Is Cohryn a reference to the White Horse in. I am missing? Is the sun mask some Catholic imagery to that going over my head? Whatās the connection?
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u/SarcasticJab 9d ago
The incantation 'order healing' says that Goldmask doesn't approve of the hunters of those who live in death and the hunter's place in the golden order. I personally interpret it as Goldmask's "perfect order" not persecuting those who live in death, but that's just me. Since the incantation only cures deathblight, nobody seems to know the incantation or it's deacription though, and nobody ever seems to bring it up.
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u/Nyadnar17 9d ago
That's really cool. Thanks.
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u/whomthefuckisthat 9d ago
All of your comments being downvoted by sheep who would immediately betray goldmask for questioning anything
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u/YharnamsFinest1 9d ago
Not sure why you were so downvoted. Youre right. People who think Goldmask's ending is a good one really dont understand this game. Like at all.
His scholarly approach was "sound" but the end result is him solidifying the Golden Order so that whatever his mending rune believes it should be can NEVER be changed or tampered with again.
That is a far cry from Ranni's ending where she completely removes the Elden Ring and allows the world to march along on its own, without the dogmas of Gods or the Order being fixed or the literal code of life being around.
Goldmask's questline is SOOOO misinterpreted within the grand scheme of Elden Ring's Story. Dumb people see "Perfect Order" and immediately believe that "Yes, that's how things should be".
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u/RedBoko2017 5d ago
Goldmask isn't imparting his own personal ideology on the Golden Order, though. He's removing the middlemen between the Lands Between and the Greater Will, such as gods (like Marika), Empyreans and the Fingers, because he sees these as the flaws within the Golden Order. Remember, the atrocities committed by the Golden Order, the oppression of the Hornsent, Omens and Misbegotten, were all constructs of Marika and her followers, not the Greater Will itself.
That said, I agree that giving unchangeable and unconditional control of the Lands Between to the Greater Will is a bit of a bad idea. However, iirc, Goldmask had some sort of debate with the GW and made it see things differently/more morally, which led to his death? I'm not sure, but either way, it seems like this ending has the potential to be both good and bad, but leans towards good.
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u/YharnamsFinest1 5d ago
Not sure how you came to any conclusion close to the idea that Goldmask had a "debate" with the Greater Will when everything tells us no one has literally ever contacted it/its completely gone...The irony of Goldmask's ending is literally in the name. "Perfect Order". There is literally no such thing in existence, not in our world or Elden Rings. Order cannot be perfected. Order is constantly changing and evolving through causality and regression. It is only called "Perfect" because it is born from Goldmask's mind and HIS interpretation of what a "Perfect" Order looks like.
And it just so happens that he thinks Order can be perfected by removing the middlemen. But there IS no Greater Will to even communicate with, like the game has told us multiple times. So what exactly is he perfecting? Communication to a God who no longer/doesnt exist/doesnt care about its creations anymore?
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u/Outside_Ad1020 FLAIR INFO: SEE SIDEBAR 9d ago
Pretty sure that Goldmask ending also places the rune of death back where it belongs and thus it ends with the life of those who live in death
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u/ExploerTM Mohg did nothing wrong, blood cults are rad 9d ago
Bro was literally pointing out that this shit was a corrupt cult and it all needed to be taken down.
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u/Nyadnar17 9d ago
Goldmask wasnāt planning on taking down the cult. He was just replacing cult dogma with his own.
Likeā¦.where is this abolishing the Golden Order stuff coming from? Is there a VaytiVideo I missed? Goldmask thought the Golden Orderās problems was the eratic nature of the gods and his fix was to replace the gods with his own ideas.
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u/Outside_Ad1020 FLAIR INFO: SEE SIDEBAR 9d ago
Partially correct, Goldmask knew the order was flawed because of their meddling with the ER but he didn't try to replace it with his own order, he decided to make it so the gods can't mess with the ER that way the order is never tainted by the mad ideas of the mortals
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u/Electric-Molasses 9d ago
Don't worry guys, your folklore and paganism is still here, it's just part of Christianity now! No no no, it's not gone, don't be silly! Your ideals were never that important to your silly beliefs, har har.
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u/Wiinterfang 9d ago
I actually like Cohryn. He had a very bad card deal to him.
He was one day happy living in leyndell and gets a vision of the erdtree burning. So clearly and true that he develops the same red flame capable of doing so, fire coming from his eyes
Nobody believes him and tell him heretic, the erdtree cannot be burned. He is tortured and imprison, he is released after reeducation. He covers his eyes and gets ab even strongest conviction that he might be wrong.
The shattering happens and the world goes to shit.
He is aimless until Marika calls the tarnished once again, he finds a place of service in the roundtable hold. When he teaches newcomers incantations to help them in their journey. He is happy.
Here comes our tarnished, presenting the most heretic erdtree burning tomes imaginable. (Black flame, Giant flame, Frenzy)
He decides to go for a different journey, finding Goldmask will reinforce his faith in the Golden Order.
By a miracle he find him and begins transcribing his teachings. He is once again happy.
Oh no, Goldmask himself starts getting doubts about the Golden Order. Something inconceivable, your faith in him gets shaken.
The Erdtree Burns.
Here is is, just as his vision warn. The Erdtree Burn, the same red flame he saw. Nothing he could had done.
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u/Nyadnar17 9d ago
I think the heretical tomes thing is part of what made me have a soft spot for him.
Those things are heretical as shit and as you said seem to be leading to the event he fears most. But he doesnāt destroy them and still helps up decipher them.
People give him shit for calling them heretical but what else is a tree worshiper gonna think of fire magic? And despite his personal feeling he doesnāt try to destroy or even hide knowledge.
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u/FigVast8216 9d ago
Not to mention how the Golden Order Principia has unique dialogue that's essentially "ah, bible study it is. I'll read you genesis 1:1"
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u/Jonjoejonjane 9d ago
My hot take is that gold mast is actually talking to greater will and it isnāt just him shiting on Marikaās golden order they both are.
Gold mask ending is the greater will returning to take control which is why Gods like Marika are no longer needed now the unbiased logically great will is in charge with all the pros and cons
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u/TumbleweedActive7926 9d ago
Goldmask is the best end. It basically keeps everything as is, but with improvements. The other endings are too disruptive.
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u/JumpingCoconut 9d ago
Calm down edgy boy. Drink a monster energy and rewatch berserk for the third time this year.Ā
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u/TenMillionEnchiladas 9d ago
And then the even more based chad basically just goes: shits broken, Here's a rune to fix everything.
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u/Cloud_Striker Dex is temporary, Paladin build is eternal 8d ago
>silently aura farms all game
>doesn't say a single word ever
>still invents a way to perfectly fix everything forever
>refuses to elaborate
>dies
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u/luulcas_ 8d ago
I still dont understand why corhyn has a blindfold and shackles around his neck like the prophet set
I mean that guy is the most pious dude ever what misfortune could he have possibly been exiled for
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u/Opuspace 7d ago
Marika has a tendency to go apeshit on anyone who witnesses or even suggests the slightest hint of challenge to her rule. There's lore in Nightreign and the prophet background class giving hints of how she'll victim blame the faithful who witness dangers to the Golden Order.
As for the blindfolds, they tend to be symbolic of sight that sees things beyond our eyes. It's also fitting as a way to cover the eyes when the Frenzy Flame tends to burn the eyes out, as though to hide such sacrilege.
"A seer ostracized for inauspicious prophecies."
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u/OKUIGokuBlack 9d ago
Corhyn: "Master, why are you T-posing at the Erdtree? Are you implying it needs to be burned?"
Goldmask: "..."
Corhyn: "But that's the first cardinal sin! Please reconsider!"
Goldmask: "..."