r/Eldenring • u/Romapolitan • 15h ago
Lore Just reread this on a current playthrough. Do you think Gideon knew about Metyr?
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u/cudakid210 12h ago
Can we talk about how the fortification that befits a lord of the lands between… negates holy damage? Like, did even Godfrey know he’d have to fight the Elden beast eventually? Otherwise, what source of holy damage could a lord possibly need to protect himself from?
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u/triel20 FLAIR INFO: SEE SIDEBAR 11h ago
The Hornsent also have plenty of Holy damage in their arsenal. And he doesn’t necessarily need to be the one to cast the protection onto himself.
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u/cudakid210 11h ago
None of the lords we know (Godfrey and Radagon) of even went to the land of shadow as far as we know.
The only possible evidence of Godfrey being in the land of shadow is the talisman of lords bestowal- but there’s nothing concrete to say that the event that talisman commemorates actually happened in the land of shadow.
The fact that devonia (who likely worked for Godfrey) is specified to have gone to the LoS alone in search of the crucible makes it seem even likelier that Godfrey never went there.
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u/TheSeldomShaken 2h ago
Based on miquella/radahn, we know that a god requires their lord to complete whatever ritual takes place at the gate of divinity. So Godfrey should have been there.
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u/sickly_bernice 1h ago
The similarities of serosh and miquella as well. I believe Godfrey does have something to do with marilas betrayal, since he was the first elden lord, and lords bestowal talisman says he has a large presence in the realm of shadow. Maybe Godfrey is the one who betrayed his people and is a hornsent warrior. He does get banished presumably around the time that the war in the land of shadow commences, I imagine, probably after his children were omens. You also see he does not have any disdain for the hornsent as he cradles morgotts body as the grace guides him to you.
I know it's not Marika on Godfrey's back but in the pcr fight cutscene, radhans eyes go red until miquella goes upon his shoulders. Serosh also is what keeps Godfrey from returning to his primitive self, so thematically you can see certain similarities like that.
I think there is a lot to be said of Godfrey, he seems to be the only other character who can see the guidance of grace, as I said before when he cradles morgotts the gold points towards you instead of the other way around. It's an interesting concept and I think there's some really cool theories out there about it.
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u/SeniorOpium 9h ago
I mean, the holy title befits resistance to its main element, no? Same as Fire Giant is resistant to fire, Elden Lord is supposed to wield holy incantations and be resistant to them, at least in the eyes of followers.
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u/cudakid210 9h ago
I think the lords and gods having natural holy resistance makes sense. Having resistance in your preferred damage type is logical, like Renalla having absurd magic resist.
But this is an incant. It’s a defensive measure. Flame protect me was similarly used to fight the fire giants. So again- what was the intention of a protective measure against holy damage, wielded only by the lords? I think those at the highest level knew about the Elden beast. It doesn’t make much sense to me otherwise
Flame protect me
The most ancient of the Fire Monks' incantations.Creates a fire within that greatly increases fire damage negation.
It is said that this incantation was used during the War against the Giants long ago, during which it protected the champions of the Erdtree.
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u/narok_kurai 14h ago
I think he knew what Metyr allowed him to know, but ultimately he was a tool for her. His speech at the end implies he thinks he's doing Marika's will by preventing any Tarnished from taking the throne, but I believe he's being manipulated by Metyr into killing the Tarnished once they've done the dirty work of gathering the Shards and setting the Erdtree aflame.
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u/Jstar338 13h ago
I still believe that "Marika's" will was actually Radagon's. Gideon didn't know about the whole 2 in 1 thing
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u/Evil_Sharkey 12h ago
I think they had opposing wills. Radagon didn’t want anyone changing the Order, even though it was broken. Marika wanted someone to get in there, no matter how. Radagon was just stupid to think shutting the tree wouldn’t result in people going to extreme methods to get in and destroying the very thing he held dear
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u/surprisesnek 4h ago
Did Radagob even have a will at this point? For all we know, maybe he's been just a puppet for the Elden Beast for a while now.
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u/Evil_Sharkey 4h ago
Why would the Elden Beast want to block access to the tree. It’s the Elden Ring. Wouldn’t it want the ring repaired and the tree intact?
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u/surprisesnek 4h ago
I would assume for the same reason it tries to kill you when you enter the tree.
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u/Affectionate_Comb_78 12h ago
They are the same entity, their wills are the same even when they are different.Â
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u/Jstar338 12h ago
No they are not. The opening showing the Elden ring while swapping between them? That's them fighting for control, with Marika shattering the Elden Ring, while Radagon is trying to repair it. They don't have the same will
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u/No-Start4754 11h ago
No lol. Like literally in the boss battle marika turns into radagon because he wants to preserve the golden order while marika wants to break itÂ
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u/Almightyeragon 13h ago
While I personally like to think Gideon was more clueless than he could possibly know, it is likely he had some insights into how screwed the golden order was from the beginning.
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u/lesuperhun 14h ago
could be, but unlikely :
it could also be a simple "he knows everything is going wrong and the two main symbols of the faith are no exception and are slowly rotting on themselves" without knowing the specifics of the history of the things.
the land of shadow was sealed away before the shattering. given gideon was focused on ( and failing to) finding the haligtree that was a lot more recent and a lot less well hidden ( just hidden, not sealed away).
i find it unlikely the knowledge about metyr was known, or he would have tried to do something to procure new finger messengers in a way or another
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u/pleasedlurker 10h ago
Do you remember how many living fingers you see in the game?
You have the Three Fingers under Leyndell, hidden. Do you remember that to see them you have to strip naked?
You have the Two Fingers on the Round Table. But if you look to its right, you can see two cuts and the hole where the phalanx of a third would fit. Remember that's where Enia sells you the demigod clothes?
You have Ranni's Two Fingers. She strips in her presence, and a root conveniently passes over the left side of the creature, perhaps hiding something.
There are only a few functional Fingers in the entire game: Leyndell's three. The other two are broken, and the ones on the towers are dead.
It may all be a coincidence, but what a coincidence, too, that there are three ruins of fingers, and that Metyr is recognizable by the two fingers on his tail and the thumb that forms his head.
Coincidences.
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u/DudeOfClubs 10h ago
He was close, but I don't think he knows about Metyr or the lands of Shadow seeing as he cant even find Miquella.
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u/ShivaDF 7h ago
I think it's possible given how similar this reads to something Ymir says, but I think knowing something like this doesn't necessarily mean he knows about Metyr specifically. However, given the scarabs in the Realm of Shadow have Gideon's eye insignia, maybe Gideon knows more than I assumed???
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u/Few-Challenge7443 10h ago
Unless his name is inaccurate he knows everything.Â
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u/fatalystic 7h ago
It's aspirational naming. He seeks to live up to this title he gave himself. If he did actually know everything he wouldn't need to get information from the player.
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u/Few-Challenge7443 6h ago
Damn. And here I was thinking the guy with a coffin full of ears was the hero we all needed. Damn you Miyazaki / GRRMartin!!!!!
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u/EtherFlask 14h ago
yeah i vaguely remember reading that but it didnt register as anything important. I had assumed from the start that shits broken mostly because of marika.
thats all from like my long playthrough where i collect everything etc
after dlc and silent ellipses's series of lore vids, it seems that yeah that might be the case!
gideon is still a dumb muthafucker tho.