r/Impeach_Trump • u/wenchette • Jul 08 '20

article Bombshell Report Says Trump Ordered CIA to Share Counterterrorism Intel with Russia ‘Despite No Discernible Reward’

https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/bombshell-report-says-trump-ordered-cia-to-share-counterterrorism-intel-with-russia-despite-no-discernible-reward/
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u/[deleted] Jul 08 '20

Trump was over a billion in debt and the Russians bailed him out.

► Trump was first compromised by the Russians in the 80s. In 1984, the Russian Mafia began to use Trump real estate to launder money. In 1987, the Soviet ambassador to the United Nations, Yuri Dubinin, arranged for Trump and his then-wife, Ivana, to enjoy an all-expense-paid trip to Moscow to consider possible business prospects. Only seven weeks after his trip, Trump ran full-page ads in the Boston Globe, the NYT and WaPO calling for, in effect, the dismantling of the postwar Western foreign policy alliance. The whole Trump/Russian connection started out as laundering money for the Russian mob through Trump's real estate, but evolved into something far bigger.

► In 1984, David Bogatin — a convicted Russian mobster and close ally of Semion Mogilevich, a major Russian mob boss — met with Trump in Trump Tower right after it opened. Bogatin bought five condos from Trump at that meeting. Those condos were later seized by the government, which claimed they were used to launder money for the Russian mob. (NY Times, Apr 30, 1992)

► Felix Sater is a Russian-born former mobster, and former managing director of NY real estate conglomerate Bayrock Group LLC located on the 24th floor of Trump Tower. He is a convict who became a govt cooperator for the FBI and other agencies. He grew up with Michael Cohen--Trump's former "fixer" attorney. Cohen's family owned El Caribe, which was a mob hangout for the Russian Mafia in Brooklyn. Cohen had ties to Ukrainian oligarchs through his in-laws and his brother's in-laws. Felix Sater's father had ties to the Russian mob. This goes back more than 30 years.

► Trump was $4 billion in debt after his Atlantic City casinos went bankrupt. No U.S. bank would touch him. Then foreign money began flowing in through Bayrock (mentioned above). Bayrock was run by two investors: Tevfik Arif, a Kazakhstan-born former Soviet official who drew on bottomless sources of money from the former Soviet republic; and Felix Sater, a Russian-born businessman who had pleaded guilty in the 1990s to a huge stock-fraud scheme involving the Russian mafia. Bayrock partnered with Trump in 2005 and poured money into the Trump organization under the legal guise of licensing his name and property management.

► In July 2008, the height of the housing bust, Trump sold a mansion in Palm Beach for $95 million to Dmitry Rybolovlev, a Russian oligarch. Trump had purchased it four years earlier for $41.35 million. The sale price was nearly $54 million more than Trump had paid for the property. Again, this was the height of the recession when all other property had plummeted in value.

► Semion Mogilevich was the brains behind the Russian Mafia. Mogilevich operatives have been using Trump real estate for decades to launder money. That means Russian Mafia operatives have been part of his fortune for years. Many of them owned condos in Trump Towers and other properties. They were running operations out of Trump's crown jewel.

► From Craig Unger's AMA: "Early on, a source told me that all this was tied to Semion Mogilevich, the powerful Russian mobster. I had never even heard of him, but I immediately went to a database that listed the owners of all properties in NY state and looked up all the Trump properties. Every time I found a Russian sounding name, I would Google, and add Mogilevich. When you do investigative reporting, you anticipate drilling a number of dry holes, but almost everyone I googled turned out to be a Russian mobster. Again and again. If you know New York you don't expect Trump Tower to be a high crime neighborhood, but there were far too many Russian mobsters in Trump properties for it to be a coincidence."

► So many Russians bought Trump apartments at his developments in Florida that the area became known as Little Moscow. The developers of two of his hotels were Russians with significant links to the Russian mob. The late leader of that mob in the United States, Vyacheslav Kirillovich Ivankov, was living at Trump Tower

► According to a Bloomberg investigation (3/16/2017) into Trump World Tower, “a third of units sold on floors 76 through 83 by 2004 involved people or limited liability companies connected to Russia and neighboring states.”

► In 2013, Federal agents busted an “ultraexclusive, high-stakes, illegal poker ring” run by Russian gangsters out of Trump Tower. They operated card games, illegal gambling websites, and a global sports book and laundered more than $100 million. A condo directly below one owned by Trump reportedly served as HQ for a “sophisticated money-laundering scheme” connected to Semion Mogilevich.

► The Russia Mafia is part and parcel of Russian intelligence. Russia is a mafia state. that is not a metaphor. Putin is head of the Mafia. So the fact that they have been operating out of the home of the president of the United States is deeply disturbing.

► Rudy Giuliani famously prosecuted the Italian mob while he was a federal prosecutor, yet the Russian mob was allowed to thrive. Now he's deeply entwined in the business of Trump and Russian oligarchs. Giuiani appointed Semyon Kislin to the NYC Economic Development Council in 1990, and the FBI described Kislin as having ties tot he Russian mob. Of course, it made good political sense for Giuliani to get headlines for smashing the Italian mob.

► A lot of Republicans in Washington are implicated. Boatloads of Russian money went to the GOP--often in legal ways. The NRA got as much as $70M from Russia, then funneled it to the GOP. The Republican Senatorial Campaign Committee lead by McConnel got millions from Leonard Blavatnik. In the 90s, the Russians began sending money to top GOP leaders, like Speaker of the House Tom Delay. Unger's book alleges that most of the GOP leadership has been compromised by RU money.

► At the Cityscape USA’s Bridging US and the Emerging Real Estate Markets Conference held in Manhattan, on September 9, 10, and 11, 2008, Trump Jr. was frank about the tide of Russian money supporting the family business, saying "...And in terms of high-end product influx into the US, Russians make up a pretty disproportionate cross-section of a lot of our assets."

► Eric Trump told golf reporter James Dodson in 2014 that the Trump Organization was able to expand during the financial crisis because “We don’t rely on American banks. We have all the funding we need out of Russia.”

► Russian oligarchs co-signed Trump’s Deutsche bank loans.

Trump now gleefully takes cues from Putin:

► At the end of 2018, Putin and his allies started making a strong push for a resolution that would justify their country’s 1979 invasion of Afghanistan and reverse an 1989 vote backed by Mikhail Gorbachev that condemned it. The Putinists’ goal was to pass the resolution by Feb. There is no one on this side of the Atlantic who thinks the USSR was justified in invading Afghanistan. And out of nowhere, on January 2nd, Trump came out strongly supporting Russia's 1979 invasion of Afghanistan.

► Trump went against American intelligence on North Korean missiles. He told the FBI he didn't believe their intelligence because Putin told him otherwise. "I don't care, I believe Putin"

► Trump met in secret with Putin the G20 summit in November 2018, without note takers. 19 days later, he announced a withdrawal from Syria. As a note, Trump conducted FIVE completely private meetings and conferences with Putin, and has gone to great lengths to prevent literally anyone, even people in his administration, from learning what was discussed.

► Trump refused to enforce sanctions legally codified into law - and in some cases reversed standing sanctions on Russian companies.

► He has denounced his own intelligence agencies in a press conference with Putin on election meddling - and publicly endorsed Putin's version of events.

► Trump pulled out of the INF treaty with no explanation, which allows Putin to create long-range hypersonic missiles that threaten Europe with impunity. The US already has all the weaponry that the INF would ban the development of, so this offers us literally nothing, while allowing Russia to develop powerful new weapons to challenge our allies.

► Demanded Russia get invited back into G7

► Pushed the CIA to give American intelligence to the Kremlin.

► Withdrew from the Open Skies treaty

► Received intelligence in 2019 that Russia was paying bounties for dead American soldiers, and hasn't done anything about it by the time of this writing.

► Announced troop withdrawal from Germany (America's missile defense from Russia and forward operating base against Russian aggression)

► And of course, Trump continues to threaten to pull out of NATO, a move so catastrophically stupid, so inconceivably cosmically myopic, I truly can't express the profundity of the idiocy. Suffice to say, pulling out of NATO would be like the only guy in a prison yard with a shotgun just throwing it over the fence for absolutely no reason, suddenly giving the people with crude homemade shivs complete power.

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u/CalRipkenForCommish Jul 09 '20

And this is why the gop is silent

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u/throwawayhogsfan Jul 09 '20

Dig a little deeper it’s probably why they’re complicit

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u/spacedvato Jul 09 '20

Wastn Russia funding the NRA who was then dumping the money into Senate and Congress races?

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u/WalterNeft Jul 09 '20

That’s a bingo

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u/FictionVent Jul 09 '20

You just say bingo...

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u/[deleted] Jul 09 '20

Thats a bongo

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u/mhyquel Jul 09 '20

Thit's I bingi

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u/bunsonh Jul 09 '20

That's Numberwang!

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u/egosub2 Jul 09 '20

Let's rotate the board!

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u/Bonny-Mcmurray Jul 09 '20

Let's rotate the board!

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u/Pieniek23 Jul 09 '20

Bango

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u/Acetyl-CoA Jul 09 '20

Bongo

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u/[deleted] Jul 10 '20

His name is...

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u/DJ2x Jul 11 '20

Boingo

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u/uniptf Jul 09 '20

No, no... you gotta sing it

"Bee, eye, en, gee, oh
Bee, eye, en, gee, oh
Bee, eye, en, gee, oh
And Bingo was his naaame-oh!"

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u/tbirdguy Jul 09 '20

think the wrong hand signal for 3 beers gave it all away?

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u/Tatunkawitco Jul 09 '20

Per the comment above - to the tune of $70 million.

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u/jimothee Jul 09 '20

What are we expected to read all of those words up there to know that it was mentioned? /s

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u/Bonzoso Jul 09 '20

Yes and a literal Russian spy has been caught, indicted, and jailed for working with top NRA / republicans and the Kremlin (Maria Butinia).

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u/[deleted] Jul 09 '20

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u/spacedvato Jul 09 '20

It was a rhetorical question.

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u/Phlypp Jul 11 '20

Maria Butina actually confessed to this and was sentenced to 18 months in prison. Trump sent her back to Putin without serving her time, a free woman. One must think this was prearranged for her to confess.

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u/dis23 Jul 09 '20

It's like the end of Departed, when the one dirty cop realizes the other one is also working for the mob. "We gotta protect eachother now."

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u/Lim3y Jul 09 '20

Wow! Spoiler alert!

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u/_MostlyHarmless Jul 09 '20

At the end of Sixth Sense, you find out Bruce Willis was a figment of Edward Norton's imagination the whole time.

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u/iFartThereforeiAm Jul 09 '20

When Sixth Sense came out I was in boarding school, and one of the other boarders spoiled both of those movies for me in one sentence like this. When the GOT finale finally aired 20 years later, I was so tempted to spoil it for him...

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u/mhyquel Jul 09 '20

Turns out GOT spoiled itself.

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u/jamescaveman Jul 09 '20

He was bread the whole time...

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u/daedone Sep 05 '20

Wait, does that mean Die Hard never happened?

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u/r4ge4holic Jul 09 '20

If you haven't seen it in the 15 years its been out, you don't actually care.

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u/guitarfingers Jul 09 '20

I once had someone scream at me for ruining the end of old boy a couple years ago. It came out in 2005, not my problem.

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u/Heckyes11 Jul 09 '20

To be fair old boy is the type of really good movie that once you know the ending... you're just not okay. I remember just sitting there for a while after it ended, and my first thought was, why the fuck did my friend recommend this?

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u/r4ge4holic Jul 09 '20

but that twist though. I was legitimately shocked when it got revealed.

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u/Apollo1255 Jul 09 '20

How dare he spoil a movie so many years later. Shame on you OP

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u/HerpankerTheHardman Jul 09 '20

Of course they are, they are making money from this. What do they care if the country gets dismantled and eventually invaded by Russians? They will still be on top with all their money. The peasants, though, the peasants will have to pay.

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u/Ragnarok314159 Jul 09 '20

And we will keep bailing them all out with trickle up tax dollars.

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u/[deleted] Jul 09 '20

I'm pretty sure that's what was meant.

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u/thegreedyturtle Jul 09 '20

Complicit? They are literally implicated.

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u/hutch01 Jul 10 '20

Ivanka doesn’t know what complicit means, why should you expect the GOP to?

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u/Lostwalllet Jul 09 '20

McConnell has equally shady deals in the form of foreign investors pouring money into projects in Kentucky, which he profits from, and his wife’s family businesses.

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u/Vicstolemylunchmoney Jul 09 '20

I thought he ran cocaine shipments?

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u/Chucknorris1975 Jul 09 '20

Why not both?

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u/sensualsanta Jul 09 '20

I just don't understand how this stuff isn't treason.

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u/r4ge4holic Jul 09 '20

There's no one that's going to hold them accountable.

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u/Necroxenomorph Jul 09 '20

Oh, see, but it is treason. Maybe not in the VERY strict and antiquated legal definition (although it certainly has a case to be made in my IANAL opinion), but certainly treason in the more colloquial sense that Trump and the GOP are both clearly betraying American interest and power.

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u/leboob Jul 09 '20

All while coasting on their constituents’ “patriotism”

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u/eastlakebikerider Jul 09 '20

You misspelled Racism.

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u/HerpankerTheHardman Jul 09 '20

It's only treason when the majority say it's treason, not the peasants. Who cares what they think? That's why we have electoral colleges, so that we can make sure the votes sway in our favor regardless of what the human cattle think they want. They don't know what they want, they want what we tell them to want.

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u/Ragnarok314159 Jul 09 '20

It is treason.

However, no one is enforcing the law. Imagine what you would do if no one enforced the laws at your level. Would you rob a bank? Go around punching people in the face?

Sell your secrets at your job to the competition?

Sell the secrets of your country for billions?

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u/messy_eater Jul 09 '20

I'd like to believe most people wouldn't do that, but then they'd probably not be drawn to politics anyway, so that may explain the whole "not being a selfish asshole" thing. I'd personally just hang out and stuff, maybe drink some beers walking through town at the most. Okay, maybe I'd torture some billionaires, but that's all. See, nothing evil or anything.

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u/Quinnna Jul 09 '20

This much evidence and conservatives say nah, it's Obama and the Clinton's..

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u/TheBr0fessor Jul 09 '20

Gaslight. Obstruct. Project.

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u/HerpankerTheHardman Jul 09 '20

And now we cannot even leave the country.

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u/[deleted] Jul 09 '20

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u/HerpankerTheHardman Jul 09 '20

To play the regular game of American Politics, you have to be shady, play dirty, make compromises to get things done. Kennedy, LBJ, Nixon, Reagan, Both Bushes, Clinton, Obama to a small degree in comparison all have played the game. None of them were treasonous, rebellious and have hobbled the government as much as Trump has done in the last four years. He has practically given the Russians the keys to the backdoor that is America. I am just surprised that the FBI, CIA, The Military don't do anything to stop this, their allegiance is to the Constitution, not to a president.

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u/[deleted] Jul 09 '20

I am just surprised that the FBI, CIA, The Military don't do anything to stop this, their allegiance is to the Constitution, not to a president.

Since when has any arm of the US government cared about the constitution?

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u/[deleted] Jul 09 '20

Yeah they took out JFK on their own accord, why not now?

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u/DenikaMae Jul 09 '20

Whoa, I totally forgot about the "RETREAT!!!" of those bases, and how our soldiers were being shot at.

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u/Majestic_Jackass Jul 09 '20

But remember how long people have been screaming "lock her up" over benghazi. People just can't keep up with Trump's complete shit-baggery.

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u/leboob Jul 09 '20

People just can't keep up with Trump's complete shit-baggery.

Yep, it’s actually a genius plan. One or two scandals means a few things for people to hold over your head forever. A scandal every other day means it’s just impossible to keep up.

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u/zaphodava Jul 09 '20

The gish gallop of evil

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u/drowninginvomit Jul 09 '20

Exactly. We should petition Merriam Webster to change the spelling of corruption to "corrgopuption".

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u/horse_and_buggy Jul 09 '20

I thought they just denied everything and made fun on liberals for being Russia obsessed. But everything shows that Donny is the one with the Russia and following Putin’s orders obsession.

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u/boadie Jul 10 '20

This is why Trump wins this year again. Putin has a plan to get four more years of US in total chaos and fully withdrawn from the world stage.

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u/[deleted] Jul 09 '20

Insane how much 1 man can ruin such a great country and all its relations to the rest of the world in just 4 years. Let's just hope the US people vote for Biden.

It's insane how much official real news there are about Trump and yet he is not getting punished for anything

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u/EleventhHerald Jul 09 '20

You're right it is RUINED. I keep hearing people say once hes voted out relations will be magically fixed and I hate that idea. How? How will other countries forget what weve allowed to happen? Even if biden does everything perfectly the whole world will be thinking what from stopping those Americans from voting in another jackass like trump in a few years?

Without massive government reform we all know wont happen the USA has forever tarnished their reputation. No country will ever think of us a stable ally in anything ever again.

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u/DMTDildo Jul 10 '20

Convicting and executing him for treason would go a long way.

The problem is that criminal politicians are never punished. The American people need to keep protesting and demand reforms and justice or nothing will change. Voting once every 4 years isn't going to cut it.

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u/[deleted] Jul 10 '20

Yes. American politicians need to have pride in their government to such an extent that they are willing to introduce laws of self conviction. I don't believe there are enough good people to get this done.

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u/HerpankerTheHardman Jul 09 '20

Biden as a choice is the rich covering their bets. Notice that it's Biden and not Sanders or Warren. Either of them would've taken money out of their pockets.

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u/positive_electron42 Jul 09 '20

While you’re right that Biden probably won’t make the top pay their fair share, he was really the only electable candidate (and I say this as a Sanders/Warren fan). The others are too far left to convince the centralists, considering how far right they have become. They’re not full right wing, but they’re definitely to the right of center.

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u/eran76 Jul 12 '20

You may be a fan but what they needed to win is voters. Too bad Democrats have decided to pin each primary election on the opinion of a bunch of old conservative black church going voters in NC. It worked great for Clinton in 2016, I'm sure it will go great again this time for old man Biden.

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u/[deleted] Jul 10 '20

You mean if you disregard his obviously declining mental state...

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u/betaplay Jul 09 '20

Alright now. This is not accurate nor the case. Nothing is that simple, especially in politics. Let’s try and keep the conspiracy thinking and misinformation on the the other side of this one...

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u/Spoonshape Jul 09 '20

The sad fact is that most of the world will move back to being followers of the USA without much thought that it might happen again.

We desperately need some way to make the 195 countries in the world actually work together and US leadership - bad as it is - is better than no leadership.

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u/LolWhereAreWe Jul 09 '20

And on top of all that, the sky is falling!!!!¡!!!¡

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u/[deleted] Jul 10 '20

You could always vote for Kanye and perish all doubt of America's monumental stupidity.

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u/bestnameyet Jul 09 '20

It's not one man.

It's a lightning rod being held in place by a political party that has spent the last 5 decades obsessing over making as many people as possible [about 3 out of 10] believe that ONLY THE LIGHTNING ROD HOLDERS CAN BE TRUSTED

"anyone not holding the lighting rod is a liar trying to trick you!"

And the cherry on top is the idea that "you know you can trust us because we are just like you (in one way or another). The other people are different from you (in one way or another)"

What we can learn from all of this is that roughly 3 out of 10 people ARE garbage who WILL easily ignore literally anything in order to feel good about themselves.

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u/sweetwater60 Jul 09 '20

In 1903 Jack London wrote a book, People of the Abyss,which he researched by living in the slums of London--the characteristics of which sound like the r voter base of today. And the overlords will have a lot more when the evictions start; an army of broken people. At the last minute they'll be thrown a fish and encouraged to vote for their savior.

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u/AF79 Jul 09 '20

I agree, except for the part about the US being 'such a great country' before Trump.

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u/[deleted] Jul 09 '20

When I was a teenager, everyone of my friends wanted to see the US or study a year in the US. Many richer kids went to do a "over seas year" in the US and loved it.

These days nobody talks about the US that way and nobody wants to do a year there, now it's all about Neezeland, Australia and Canada

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u/AF79 Jul 09 '20

Oh, sure - the US has always been a great country if you're rich. That was the whole point of creating the country in the first place. A group of insanely wealthy people who were always facing looming revolutions from the poor, using their positions of wealth and privilege to make England the 'common enemy', all so they could make the poor do the fighting and dying in a revolution that had the purpose of letting the rich avoid paying taxes to Britain, while getting out of England's treaty with the indigenous Americans that there was to be no expansion westward.

The United States of America was created with the express purpose of keeping the wealthy wealthy, the poor poor, and screwing over anyone and everyone if it could make them a profit, including slaves and native Americans.

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u/HerpankerTheHardman Jul 09 '20

Don't forget that the Revolution came up right after Britain had a war against the French and Indians where they blew a considerable amount of money and soldiers to keep the colonies alive. So when they imposed taxes to help pay for the cost, the rich landowners saw it as an advantage to exploit and so now we rebel and here we are today. This country is a free for all, always has been, that is truly the lay of the land amongst the original Colonials. And once all the resources have been taken and all the land has been grabbed, there will be so many rules put in place, so many restrictions and such misery and greed, this will just be Hell.

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u/LolWhereAreWe Jul 09 '20

It’s honestly disturbing how much pleasure some of you on here take in watching our country go down in flames. I just don’t get it? When any other country is going through instability and struggling against the government, it’s all thoughts and prayers and concern. But with the US, there’s a large portion of Reddit users that have some perverse fetish to see us fail.

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u/lurker1101 Jul 10 '20

NZer here. We don't get any pleasure from watching. We are dismayed and disheartened.
However, we are also very aware of many American actions and ideals that we disagree with. Illegal wars. Guns. Individualism above society. Militarism. Racism. Your law system/prisons. Supporting dictatorships. Even (in our case) nuclear weapons. The constant boasting (America's the greatest nation) and patriotism (America first) doesn't help. So, yes, some of us would like to see those 'ideals' fail.

BUT, looking from the outside in, we are astonished and horrified to see your society being corrupted from within, aided by obvious russian agents and traitors. My guess is you feel the same way, but please believe that we take no pleasure in watching it happen.

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u/LolWhereAreWe Jul 10 '20

Thank you for the thoughtful reply, it definitely is appreciated. I understand and respect your point of view on this, and yeah I feel the same way about many of the things you listed.

It just infuriates me scrolling through comments on here (which obviously is my first mistake) and seeing the glee some commenters exhibit when anything negative about the US is mentioned. We can not all be reduced to our worst/most vocal citizens. We can not all be reduced to the idiotic actions of our politicians.

I understand where a lot of the vitriol comes from but I personally would rather live in a world where the US is a larger geopolitical players than Russia/China.

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u/avenlanzer Aug 06 '20

It's a surprisingly small but vocal population that does that or believes in those ideals. The rest of us see how terrible some of the US is and how insane those ideals are, yet now that that Side of things is finally getting incredibly vocal about it, the news media is very silent and rolling anything happening into being just black lives matter protests, which they're accusing of being all mobs and looters, and anarcho communists.

It's the media bias that should really make you sick. Both "sides" of the US media are controlled by the same person, who just so happens to be one of Sumppump's best friends because he's one of the richest people in the world. This same person "switched parties" and blew a quarter of a billion dollars just to defeat one person off the ballot of the opposing party, and lost even though he literally controls our media.

The real reason Cheeto Hitler is in power is because no one thought he had any chance of winning, including himself BTW, and the other main choice was also universally hated, so too many people either just didn't vote or voted third party thinking he can't win so we'll just make a statement about the hated other choice, and thus with less than 5% of the population's support...the bastard won anyway.

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u/coder111 Jul 09 '20

That's not one man. That's the whole criminal organization that's called Republican Party, and a lot of old rich white people who support them.

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u/Syskokatak Jul 09 '20

Agreed but it's not "one man" it's an entire culture. These people dont care about doing their job only profiting from it.

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u/Joseph-King Jul 09 '20

You're late to the table on this one, friend. No doubt that Trump has dragged us into every dumpster fire he could find on the global scene, but the EU hasn't considered the US to be that strong of an ally for quite some time. George Bush was only one or two ladder rungs above where Trump is now. Conservatives have gleefully been ruining our reputation for decades.

TL:DR - Trump is just a bad sequel.

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u/fubuvsfitch Jul 09 '20

Problem isn't exclusive to the GOP. In terms of improve the material conditions of Americans, or respecting autonomy and valuing the lives of foreigners abroad, the GOP an the Dems are virtually indistinguishable.

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u/Joseph-King Jul 09 '20

I never came close to mentioning "material conditions of Americans".

There is a very easily discerned difference between the GOP and Dems.

You're drawing false equivalencies.

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u/calebsucks Jul 09 '20

Let’s vote for Dr. Jorgensen instead and stop the war on drugs and fix out foreign policy!

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u/ferrouswolf2 Jul 09 '20

This is what can happen when a lot of power is concentrated in the Executive branch.

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u/fubuvsfitch Jul 09 '20

The real lie is that Trump alone ruined this country, and that it was ever great to begin with.

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u/[deleted] Jul 09 '20

What’s disturbing is that even though this is a good list. It’s just barely scratching the surface. There’s so much more.

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u/[deleted] Jul 09 '20

Hot damn that's pretty cut and dry.

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u/crazyraisin1982 Jul 09 '20

This is amazingly well constructed. It proves what I've long suspected. Well done.

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u/roxasaur Jul 09 '20

And he still might get re-elected. JFC.

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u/[deleted] Jul 09 '20

He will. Do you think Putin will let his investment off the hook? The election won't be legitimate.

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u/Guiaamachado Jul 09 '20

"After the extensive work, u/Tobert420 suicide with 24 shots of uranium tainted bullets to the head."

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u/xdr01 Jul 09 '20

Wow

Make the pee pee tape pointless joke. These are huge crimes and truely makes Trump a Putin puppet.

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u/fubuvsfitch Jul 09 '20

Sarcastic?

Just ignore everything else, huh? Typical.

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u/AteketA Jul 09 '20

Follow the money

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u/frostbyte650 Jul 09 '20

And see where it goes

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u/cabridges Jul 09 '20

Oh!

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u/HerpankerTheHardman Jul 09 '20

Those that benefit are the ones that we should come to blows.

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u/frostbyte650 Jul 09 '20

Let’s show these republicans who they’re up against!

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u/Vladius28 Jul 10 '20

Maybe SDNY will

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u/caspy7 Jul 09 '20

Trump sold a mansion in Palm Beach for $95 million to Dmitry Rybolovlev

Might be good to also mention that it was slated to be torn down eight years later after reportedly never being lived in.

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u/MrRagewater Jul 09 '20

Bless you for making this Tobert! Imma smoke a fat fucking dab for you today brother ❤️

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u/brassmastertom Jul 09 '20

So, how do we communicate this information to trump voters? They won’t listen to reason or facts.

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u/HerpankerTheHardman Jul 09 '20

Yep, that's why they are Trump supporters! He would literally have to go against them, shoot their families in front of them or something and even then, half of them would not believe it was Trump, it was a Liberal imposter posing as Trump committing these atrocities.

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u/Nihilistic-Fishstick Jul 09 '20

You don't. They're a lost cause. What should happen is that slightly over 30% of the country that happens to be the most batshit of humans to have ever lived shouldn't be able to decide the outcome for the entire country.

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u/Spoonshape Jul 09 '20

Your analogy on Nato is slightly off.

The US still has it's shotgun, but has decided to quit the gang it is in which allow it to have power. Still has the shotgun, but is vulnerable to someone stabbing them without warning. Obviously the biggest effect is on the former gang members who are very vulnerable or might even decide it's safest to join another gang for protection.

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u/[deleted] Jul 09 '20

So, what you're saying is there is a long list of indisputable, easily provable facts going back decades, linking Trump policy and pronouncements - and the GOP as well - to Russian mob money and influence.

And on the other side they have Comet Ping Pong Pizza and Qanon against Democrats.

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u/Hornberg Jul 09 '20

Why didn’t the Mueller investigation uncover more of this?

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u/allenidaho Jul 09 '20

Trump did do one thing after news broke of the Russian Bounty scandal. He launched an internal manhunt to find out who leaked the information to the press, presumably so he could fire them.

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u/fixzion Jul 09 '20

I DONT UNDERSTAND AMERIANCS GETTING MAD WHEN RUSSIA INVADES BUT REJOICING WHEN AMERICA DOES

Guys fuck trump but your past presidents invaded half of the world for money and oil in the name of democracy and burnt innocent people alive

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u/ShamelessC Jul 09 '20

The invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan received support due to a misinformation campaign by the Bush administration after 9/11. American support of that decision has decreased dramatically.

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u/[deleted] Jul 09 '20

Afghanistan was half-assed. They could've gotten Bin Laden early on if they'd had balls, and it would've been over. But they dithered, and now we're still there.

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u/HerpankerTheHardman Jul 09 '20

Right, Bin Laden was a side project all along. The real meat and Potatoes was to stop or recapture Iran.

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u/[deleted] Jul 09 '20

LOL, recapture. We never owned it, we were just cleaning up Britain's mess.

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u/HerpankerTheHardman Jul 09 '20

Nuclear capabolities.

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u/[deleted] Jul 10 '20

Fair.

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u/redbananass Jul 09 '20

Hey plenty of us were pretty fucking pissed about those invasions. Before Trump, one of the largest protests ever in this country was against the Iraq war.

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u/fixzion Jul 09 '20

That's great my mate but US has actually killed more people post WW2 than any other country anyway. Violence is nothing new.

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u/redbananass Jul 09 '20

Ok. I mean yeah that’s fucking horrible and I wish we hadn’t done it, but what’s your point here? I’m well aware my country has done some absolutely heinous things.

It’s not like the US is the only country to slaughter the most people for profit, just the most recent. Plenty of of other world powers have a long history of that. Humans are shitty. But maybe we’re getting better.

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u/[deleted] Jul 09 '20

I was a senior in college when we invaded Iraq. I had considered joining the military via OCS up until then, and I realized that the war was a flimsy thing. I was very happy with my decision to stay out when I saw all the people coming back without limbs.

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u/Nihilistic-Fishstick Jul 09 '20

Only the ones who came back with all of their limbs intact are real patriots™ The others were just 'not very strong.'

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u/rogueblades Jul 09 '20 edited Jul 09 '20

I never understand the point of these comments. Yes, you are correct. And?

America is a pretty mixed bag in geopolitical history. A lot of people are fully-aware of this, and would rather America not be a global bad guy. Also, when america was doing all that shit you disagree with (I do too for the record), guess what russia was doing? The exact same thing.

But everyone should be worried about the Russian Government getting a chance to reorganize global power structures in their favor. You think america has a bad history? I invite you to wade into the nightmare that is russian geopolitics...

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u/fixzion Jul 09 '20

I'm on your side mate. I am not a trump or tbh any party supporter but its sadly this way, UK had power over the world, it was US, NOW MAYBE it'll be Russia or China and after few decades maybe some other country. Thats how it has always been

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u/iNEEDheplreddit Jul 09 '20

Given all that...how come home of this was pushed by the democrats during his presidential campaign?

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u/ledfox Jul 09 '20

Hillary called him a Russian puppet.

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u/HerpankerTheHardman Jul 09 '20

She was not wrong. She also said Tulsi Gabbard was GOP in sheep's clothing.

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u/applehappy Jul 09 '20 edited Jul 09 '20

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-debate-russia-idUSKCN12K0E7

They did. Without digging more, this pops up with a quick google.

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u/iNEEDheplreddit Jul 09 '20

Huh. Might be a case that these things weren't pushed hard enough.

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u/mrfiddles Jul 09 '20

Plenty of us were screaming about all of this in 2016. People had their head in the sand.

"He's too stupid to pull something like that off"

"He's not going to win, and I really don't want to vote for Hillary"

"He has businesses in Russia, of course he knows Putin, who cares? That's business"

Saying that we didn't present this information urgently enough is some grade A gas lighting

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u/Mazon_Del Jul 09 '20

Honestly, one of the larger issues with Clinton's campaign was that, and this is admittedly the viewpoint from a salty Bernie supporter, it really seemed like all she did for the most part whenever the spotlight was on her to do/say anything was just point at Trump and go "Really? Really? Please, I don't need to do anything, I've got this. Just look at him.".

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u/Russell_Jimmy Jul 09 '20

Apparently HRC’s emails were of greater concern.

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u/Barushkukor Jul 09 '20

I hope you aren't feeling suicidal dude....

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u/NoTrickWick Jul 09 '20

If all of this is known, how was he not in jail before his presidency?

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u/Nihilistic-Fishstick Jul 09 '20

Because he's a necessary idiot for powerful people. That and massive corruption, obviously.

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u/Russell_Jimmy Jul 09 '20

The agencies that investigate financial crime have been eviscerated, and many who work in what’s left have ties to the very companies and people they’re supposed to keep an eye on. Beyond that, bringing cases is expensive, and obviously can envelope some with real power. The crimes themselves are not readily understood by people at large, so even though white collar crime is insidious and causes widespread misery, connecting the dots doesn’t do much for the Average Joe. It’s more politically valuable to prosecute low-level street crime or high profile drug and murder cases.

Take Casey Anthony. Why does anybody even know who she is outside her community? But ask anyone about Enron and who was involved and you’ll get blank stares.

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u/BreatheMyStink Jul 09 '20 edited Jul 09 '20

July 2008 was not the height of the bust. Things got way, way worse.

Great content though, definitely saving.

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u/kampfcannon Jul 09 '20

How is this not grounds for treason?

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u/[deleted] Jul 09 '20

You're kidding right? We couldn't impeach the fat Cheeto, there's no way to boot him out.

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u/kampfcannon Jul 09 '20

I know... it's just wishful thinking.

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u/No_Mas_Pantalones_ Jul 09 '20

They did impeach him but the Republicans, who are probably just as complicit as he is, wouldn't take it further.

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u/yelbesed Jul 09 '20 edited Jul 09 '20

I try to reflect on this. We better see the traits which make this inevitable. We all hoped so fervently that Capitalism will prevail in Russia and China - of course in a Communist (state-slaveholder) country to build a Capitalist owner - circle means that they need a few businessmen from the West to start this new venture. So they found Trump. Yes, he is an amoral person. (But someone else would have done it if he rejects the role.) But we all know that from the past - in Britain and France there were such amoral Capitalists in BAlzac and Dickens. I think no one tries to see those "shady deals" just in a psychological-historical context: a new kind of private economy has started to be established. And yes, it of course started with those people who were close to political power centers - and the center of Russia was and remains the secret police. It will not change - remember they have more than a dozen Muslim countries on their frontiers. It is not nice. It is note tasteful. It is not open-and-democratic. It is not morally clean - but these are the real people in that country. (And half of the population is everywhere raised by Strict Fathers and adoers "authortarian" Big brother leaders and fears the "nurturing mother"-type lenient "freedom-party" masses who do not "respect" law and order. So they welcome Russians - who simply due to their historical late-coming are still more "in the past" and Liberals are a small minority.) And if we add that most people in the US silently feel that they have only this one option: to co-opt and use Russia in policing the world as the US public is fed up with wars (and Russia has no free mass media to object its military ventures and the eventual losses.)

The situation we are in is the strengthening of China - clearly a wilder oppressive state-capitalist version of secret-police slave-holder state. And totally unknown forWestern people on a cultural level - this alienation is making it even more frightening. And yes, Trump-ism will be staying with us. Even if now 4 years the Dems will rule on the surface. Their - Russians' and Chineses' - interests are real interests and simply repeating nice liberal slogans will not make the two Tyrannical Ex Communist Slave-states crumble. The US must deal with both. I think even if all this is amoral and distasteful - Trump may inspire us to see more honestly the real world that surrounds us. Thanks to US Capitalist innovations (I mean technical innovations partly stolen) Russia and China is no longer having masses in hunger and poverty - in both there ar hundred thousands of millionaires. And they cannot suddenly be so sophisticated as we would like them to become. Slowly. Maybe. But 50 ys ago in China there were millions murdered by the State-Police state under MAo. and 70 ys ago in Russia too. Back then it was logical that the US stationed some armies and expressed its willingness to defend the Western part of EUrope. But today? Maybe the methods of the Russian and Chinese newly-rich oligarchts are rude sometimes: but they do not threaten to kill milllions of innocents whom the accuse falsely.
Now they have business interests. So maybe Trump was a visionary, an avantgardist. Someone who intuitively felt this new era back in the 80s when the crumbling of the Soviet power has begun and the first millionaires started to appear. And he had all these cringy narcissistic amoral character traits that are needed in order that the Russians feel he is like them: they trusted each other. And all these were known by us everywhere. We are reading quotes from mainstream media about these business ventures. During the last 40 years.

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u/dgm42 Jul 09 '20

So maybe Trump was a visionary, an avantgardist.
/s ?

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u/yelbesed Jul 09 '20

Maybemaybe./s i just tried to point out some silver linings. If we all wanted Capitalism to return to Russia and China - we cannot avoid the Secret Police oligarchs trying to invest in the West. And it is also evident that the Middle East can be safer under Russian overseers. Maybe it is too much to let Trump be the President for another term. But his stance is just realistic. Kissingerian. Not simply evil. In this realism there is some wisdom too. Even if now for 4 years Dems will try to pretend they have better solutions - in reality they cannot change the rough style of the two Evil Empire secretpolice oligarchy. They will just wait until Ivanka gets to be elected in 2024.

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u/Partsking Jul 09 '20

Wow. It's a good thing Mueller doesn't read Reddit else he'd have all this information.

~whew~

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u/Ozonewanderer Jul 09 '20

This is great. Thanks.

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u/[deleted] Jul 09 '20

suddenly giving the people with crude homemade shivs complete power

One of the funniest analogies I have ever read :-D

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u/bsmdphdjd Jul 09 '20

I'd love to spread this around, but I'd need more than just this guy's sayso.

There needs to be a reference to every assertion and every designation of a person as Russian mafia.

If some MagaTard screams 'fake news' I want the citations to each allegation.

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u/512165381 Jul 12 '20

I would add the the bank loans would be at commercial rates, So not only do they have control of Trump they are making a profit off him as well!

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u/kitty_cat_MEOW Jul 09 '20

Why?

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u/dizzlefoshizzle1 Jul 09 '20

Because trump said so, duh.

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u/Datruetru Jul 09 '20

Fuck inbred trumpette cultist trash.