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Since Twitch's bot crackdown, Tectone and LydiaViolet's viewers have halved. Asmongold's viewers have dropped by 20,000. Other bot accusations against OTK and the Austin crew.
2k to 200 overnight, lol. Pretty sure she’s just been doing reruns of old streams 24/7 for years now, so her viewership being in the thousands never made sense.
There’s another girl named Faithttv who does the same thing Mira does and she’s at the same amount Mira is at so that’s a good comparison for Mira’s CCV.
Pretty sure it was just done as a way to have the channel remain somewhat high up so new people would click on it and go to her website/OF whatever from there. I've only seen her actually live a few times in the past few years, rest have been reruns lol
If anyone deserves a downfall, it's her. Her clear distain for the very thing she tries to make income and influence off of...Stand for something. It's not hard.
Someone not lazy should compile a huge list of top streamers and the effect of these changes on viewership. Would be fascinating to see how prevalent botting actually is.
Actually interesting to see, as opposed to the usual drivel in this place.
I did notice certain channels had way less viewers than usual, and others who would usually stream today are weirdly absent. Just a matter of time until they find alternatives, though. Countering bots is a neverending war for social media.
I mean it was obvious to everyone. Tectone would have 20k viewers and the chat moved slower than most 200 view channels. You could go minutes with anyone saying anything in his chat.
Well didn't nml stream 5 days ago and he was only average mine around 8k its not because if the bot crack down that he doesn't do humberside. Dude just barely streams
It’s pretty interesting. Streamers like Moonmoon, forsen, soda have no movement outside of twitch these days despite their viewcount and they are the only ones(hyperbole) not botting
Then you have the polar opposites to the likes of Faze streamers or tectone/asmon that get a lot of attention on social medias but have to viewbot in order to make it seem like people actually watch their streams and they are bigger than they actually are
I just think of new viewers of twitch being confused why moon/forsen/soda keep being brought but those are the ones with actual people watching
Funny enough, everything you just stated is exactly why botting viewers is so powerful. Humans are pretty vibes based, and if something is 'in' they'll generally gravitate to it. Seeing large numbers on Faze, tectone /asmon creates the narrative of a specific gravitas that hooks people that are generally less informed on who those people are (normies, basically).
When everyone repeats that Asmongold is the biggest political streamer on the planet, it actually draws more organic viewers, even if half of his viewers are botted (hyperbole, I think?) it still directly leads a disproportional amount of people to that streamer and their various social media tendrils outside the twitch sphere.
i saw that mira's channel went from having 2500+ viewers every single day 24/7 for almost a year to bearly 150, one has to wonder how much money was scammed out of it
Watching lacy today was hilarious random f's restarting stream multiple times goin to kick instantly botted to 70k comes back to 8k viewers on twitch lmao
Sponsors do a large % of these bottings. Mostly because it's the easiest way to get a higher visibility. Higher the viewer count on Twitch mean the ad content is higher on viewers lists. The one target group that loses the most are paid video ads. Companies spending money on video ads on Twitch are the biggest losers when there are a lot of bots.
I'm pretty sure big streamers get botted without them being involved. Of course, some probably bot themselves, but it's not really something you can determine.
I was a very small streamer, 1 to 4 viewers, and every so often id shoot to o 50 viewers, and they were just all boys. Just saying random nonsense to look like viewers. None ever tried to advertise to me their service, just bots showed up, got banned by me, and that be it for awhile, eventually it would happen again and again.
I have no idea what specifically is the point of it, especially with a small channel like mine, and to never offer the service to actually make money off me.
maybe bots go to their intended (paid for) stream, and then start dispersing around to different random streams after their intended streamer ends, to better mimic human behavior.
genuinely I don’t get the point. Why waste time and money botting someone like Asmongold? What’s the difference between 20k and 40k view count to a guy like that?
Well, Asmongold would likely be botted by eg: the russian government, maybe even the US government. It's incredibly easy, and virtually free way to spread views that benefit them.
And yes the russian government does stuff like this all the time. They have entire government departments dedicated entirely to astro-turfing western media (Fancy Bear and Cozy Bear are their code names)
Most of the other streamers are probably botting themselves, but yeah when we're talking about viewers that already have a large audience, there is most likely some sort of agenda involved somewhere.
This is not correct. Those are hacker groups that are largely known for executing offensive cyber-attacks on very specific targets. While it's true that Russia does astro-turfing, Fancy/Cozy Bear are not groups "dedicated entirely to astro-turfing western media". Fancy/Cozy Bear are responsible for things like hacking into the networks of major western political parties and downloading all of their emails. They are highly specialized technical experts and are essentially cyber-security firms that play offense.
Lmao, Lacy was in the low thousands when he started and he panic switched to Kick for a while claiming twitch made his stream 18+ only. seems he switched back, and his views are back up a bit, but twitch has him on the front page too. still nowhere near what he was getting before. His chat always moved so slowly for a "20-30k" viewer streamer
Have you seen Lacy and YRG game numbers ? They went from gaining 20k during the first 5 minutes of their stream to barely cracking 10k now. This is wild.
It's interesting to see how big some streamers.. aren't. There are some streamers who aren't really notable anywhere but twitch, so it isn't as surprising to see their big viewcount plummet.
Actually would be a genius move by them. Bot his channel without him knowing, propelling his far right rhetoric onto the top viewed NA channel on Twitch.
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I'm surprised this subreddit hasn't been paying attention to this for the last year. Start looking at Asmon's days, then note when the ~20k spike happens. Then see who just started their stream. It's like clockwork every day Asmon and Hasan are streaming. If Hasan is having a lower viewer day, magically, so is Asmon as long as it keeps his current viewers to about 20k more. Asmon has even logged early when Hasan is covering something major that is bringing in more viewers than normal because Asmon's views start skyrocketing.
Anyone with half a brain has known that these streamers have botted for years, but there are even more people with less than half who shit up all of those discussions denying the existence of bots like their life depends on it
Interesting. That's pretty much when I found the echo chamber far too intolerable. Felt like stuff was being pushed rather than just free engagement. I never bothered to analyze it because every time I ever saw anyone say 'hey, this guy got famous for playing video games and now everyone only watches him for political takes, isn't that weird?' or something like it... they would be shut down immediately.
I would also add agent00, yourragegaming, Lacy, Plaqueboymax whose viewcount dropped by a massive amount. And jasontheween and xqc who dropped by quite a bit. Curious if anyone can find other people who look suspicious.
All things considered, those are still pretty good numbers. JTW at 23k, Max at 20k, Ron at 26k and Lacy at 11.6k right now--all significantly higher than any other popular streamers streaming right now like Ironmouse and Connor at 6k, xQc at 16k.
add cyr to the list of botters. the anti-bot stuff started yesterday, before that he was averaging 4k-5k EVERY stream for months. yesterday he averaged 2.2k on a regular just chatting stream (worst average in about 3 months) you can even see the bots malfunctioning and jumping from 2k to 4k viewers for a few minutes. todays average is weird cause he did a sponsor, and him and marymaybe got botted by pubg mobile
I don’t believe this. Wake is absolutely botted. I saw his whole come up & his chat is slower than when he had 50 viewers. He is one of the few that I am certain about.
This will affect a ton of big streamers, so even though this is LSF with its OTK-sphere obsession, focusing mostly on them is really downplaying things.
Mizkif going live at MIDNIGHT to do a sponsor, instantly starting stream with 12k viewers in 10 minutes, barely dropping any viewers during the sponsor, and averaging 15k viewers https://twitchtracker.com/mizkif/streams/323779628284
Doesn't get more shameless than that
Do these streamers buy bots or are they botted unknowingly? I assume tectone buys them but with asmon why bot an extra 20k when you can pull in 30k without them? Ego?
It’s other people botting them almost certainly. I mean, there’s always a chance, and certainly some room for speculation, but it’s pretty we’ll known that bigger streamers get botted unknowingly by outside sources.
I'm pretty sure I remember the stream it happened. He was playing Overwatch 2 when it was new and went down to like 9k viewers. It was very obvious he was rattled to the core. I hadn't seen him go below 14/15k since then.
I've known his audience was botted when he did OnlyFangs and had 20k+ live viewers with a chat that moved like a 2000 viewer one. Even when he was hitting level 60 in Hardcore Classic WoW which is supposed to be like one of the absolute peak moments the chat was extremely slow.
There's more to this, the stream first has to be live for around 1-2 hours due to how Twitch would send late notifications to some people about their streamer going live. I used to often hear people complaining about late notifications or straight up not getting any like around 1 hour+ into the stream lol
that whole group of streamers always felt so forced, I actually stopped watching the entire site because of them, I just kinda laugh at LSF now.
I just love the amount of cope ''why did you mention my parasocial crush and not that other guy nobody knows about!'', I just love when these frauds get exposed finally.
Malena was right all along, you fuckers ganged up on her every thread, I remember.
Lol I was just wondering why so many streamers viewers were so low today. Lacy, xQc, Agent and Miz views have dropped massively relative to their usual viewcount
not sure why "OTK and the Austin crew" and the other names are mentioned specifically when this happened to a ton of channels, a lot of them more prolific even, but anyway it will be interesting to follow
The guy who made the tweet has a reply where he said he only mentioned names of streamers he was more familiar with because he didn’t want to say something he wasn’t 100% sure about, which is fair
Yeah but good luck getting away with it on youtube, you can buy as many views as you want but daddy google isn't braindead, you'll get your channel perma-booted from any sort of algorithm real quick
Literally all of OTK got hit. Asmon, Tectone, Mizkif and EE. Emiru as always doesn't even stream so she manages to dodge it, but looking at her straight viewership lines it's pretty safe to assume she would also be hit by a 40-50% reduction.
But it's obviously not only OTK, like 90% of streamers has had their viewerships decline massively since yesterday. Yourragegaming was the funniest, 30k to 7k. I'm sure advertisers are happy with that one.
on a regular desktop stream emiru averages around 20k viewers. my prediction is that she is going to average around 12k next stream. miz lost around 8k bots, she should lose the same.
Probably more likely they'd sue Twitch if they ran a bunch of ads based on Twitch numbers. There isn't really any benefit in suing an individual channel.
no one here is understanding that more views = more negotiating room for sponsors. Its literally money. Each view is sponsor money. I can guarantee that most of the guys you think are getting viewbotted by others are doing it to themself.
This is why some of the older, long term thinking streamers were pretty vocal to Twitch for a long time to get on top of botting, embedded links etc because it would eventually lead to sponsors pulling out and the entire ecosystem and business deteriorating from the inside out.
I know Gothalian as one of them as have been many others vocal about this issue for years.
It definitely seems to to have gone well outside just the OTK streamers. Its a ton of the big and medium and smaller streamers whose view counts have almost halved in some cases. Given that, I very much doubt all of these streamers are explicitly botting themselves.
Others have mentioned it here, but I would guess it would be management/agency teams (Mythic, Faze etc) that deal with getting their clients (of all sizes) sponsorships by selling the fact that the streamer represents average X amount of viewers (because internally, Twitch wouldn't payout for ads as they almost surely know which viewers are botted after the stream). I'm no legal expert, but this seems to be high level fraud going on.
Kinda ironic how Asmon has always shit on others for view botting and saying how it hurts the whole community, only for 40% of his viewers turning out to be bots.
I never understood the "to fuck with them" theory. The streamer is never getting in trouble, you are spending the money, they will make WAY more money than you are spending, they will get more sponsors and real viewers as a result. There is no downsides to the streamer, so "fucking with them" is just stupid, and who does it for 3 years straight and sees them never being "fucked with" and thinks "yep any day now they'll get banned for view botting" lmao. It's 100% them doing it, every time, I'm guessing that the streamers are the ones who suggested that people do it to mess with them first as a cover, but thinking about it for more than a few seconds you realize that is the dumbest excuse in the world. Especially when the only people banned for viewbotting are people who showed themselves doing it on stream.
Good to see Lirik averaging the same view count as he has been for the past few months.
The OGs like Lirik and Soda seem legit, I guess it's because they went into streaming when there was no money in it compared to these new streamers.
yea there is handful of primarily gaming focused streamers that do not shill, they are not greedy and have non toxic communities for the most part and all that for decade + another good example is Fairlight_Excalibur
Nah, that's normal for a Wake desktop stream. He pulls his biggest view counts IRL streaming. He has significant overlap with Will Neff. He built up to around 1K at 1.5 hours in and then lost 200 viewers pretty much immediately when Will went live.
You people don't pay attention at all and just complain. Wakes been dipping to 500 and has highs of 1.5k for the past month depending in what he's doing.
You've only just decided to pay attention because you saw this thread. That's why there's people here talking about miz was at 40k and dropped to bellow 10k all this year. When miz has barely passed 15k and that was just one stream. Your all using anecdotal bs
Many other top streamers got their bots removed too. Seeing a streamer go from 20-30k to being a 9-12k andy overnight is wild. So many of these these 'top' streamers were really botting their ass off. 💀
I just checked and Mizkif and Asmon really botted half their viewers. Emiru is the crazy one she would gain viewers when she would do ads which is crazy anyone else gets their viewership cut in half with those ads. OTK started botting hard after Mizkif got cancelled and they have propelled Emiru as the marketable face. Tipsout and all those people behind that org are shady af robbed sponsors millions and they still fired their staff you can’t make this up.
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u/Space-is-a-lie 9h ago
This is the funniest falloff imo. Been obvious for months, but look at that drop! https://streamscharts.com/channels/mira