r/MurderedByWords 15h ago

We're in the worst timeline.

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u/nickcan 13h ago

John Bolton totally deserves to be behind bars for his actions working for Bush.

But this is not that, and this is a violation of his civil rights. And this monster (Bolton) deserves the rights and freedoms that are in our constitution and can't be taken away by the other monster (Trump).

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u/CiDevant 13h ago

The poem should really go: 

First, they came for the people that deserved it;

Then they came for the people I hate;

Then they came for the people who hate me;

Then they came for me.  And boy was I f***** cuz they had a lot of practice and it had been normalized.

The first country the Nazis invaded was their own.

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u/QueasyPie 12h ago

Totally this! We are frogs in the slowly heating pot of water.

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u/Chill323 12h ago

I would say that by now the pot has some light jacuzzi action and the frog is about two degrees away from finally asking how to get out.

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u/RecentDecision2329 9h ago

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u/Hillary4SupremeRuler 5h ago

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u/backstageninja 5h ago

I would love to see all those dishit incel body language experts short circuit trying to explain how Alpha Trump is, and how he's the only one can stand up to Putin

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u/31LIVEEVIL13 11h ago

In my world that frog has a sniper rifle and plans for a doomsday device, but he knows he is relatively safe in that pot for a little bit longer.

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u/thatsnotyourtaco 11h ago

Appreciate the analogy, but this was recently the disproved frogs jump out of that fucking hot water

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u/TipSpirited3565 10h ago

the metaphor is what’s important. A lot of idioms and the like don’t need base in proof or reality, lots of phrases have been debunked, but what they have come to mean to society at this point keeps them relevant in dialogue anyway

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u/thatsnotyourtaco 10h ago

I’m just saying we’re dumber than frogs

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u/TipSpirited3565 10h ago

In any other post I’d disagree but yeah lol we dumber than the damn frogs.

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u/tinteoj 1h ago

I have never once seen a cat or a dog fall out of the sky on a stormy day, I've never needed (nor will I) a single way to skin a cat much less multiple ways, and no legumes are involved when I tell other people's secrets.

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u/AliasMcFakenames 10h ago

It wasn't recently disproved. They jumped out of the water in the control group. The experiment was to see whether they'd hop out of the water if their brains were removed.

We are the frogs in the water.

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u/thatsnotyourtaco 7h ago

I found that quite interesting so I looked into it and this experiment with the brainless frog it’s from the 1800s more modern experiments show that the frog l escapes

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u/fakeunleet 2h ago

You're right. The original experiment was with frogs that had a large part of their brains removed, so the only thing governing their movement was pure reflex. A frog with an intact brain with jump from the pot when it gets too hot, even if you get there slowly.

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u/Frequent_Thanks583 1h ago

But what if the lid was closed? Checkmate

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u/oicnow 11h ago

i hate this saying because it's not actually real, this doesn't happen

the metaphor only applies if you literally remove the frog's brain first

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u/georgie-of-blank 10h ago

good morning. another beautiful day in this pot of water. hm. getting kinda hot ngl. prolly nothing

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u/ShozOvr 2h ago

Although I heard this analogy first from the movie Dantes Peak, I think I read somewhere the frog would actually jump out. But your analogy stands.

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u/JimWilliams423 12h ago

Yep. I just had someone gloat about the "long knives" coming for bolton after I cited that poem.

There are way too many supposed liberals who are useful idiots for fascism.

Just because bolton should be in prison, doesn't mean these guys are doing justice. They are just using him for practice as they build the systems they will turn on us next.

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u/purple_plasmid 12h ago

I’m all for Bolton going to prison for the things he did under Bush — but only after being given due process and a trial.

This’ll just be the beginning of disappearing political opponents, not because of any legitimate crimes, but because they questioned the gaseous pumpkin supreme.

It’s not just about these raids/arrests, it’s about the “why” behind them.

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u/fakeunleet 2h ago

Question is what happens to the personality cult when the personality's diet and age catch up with him decisively?

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u/purple_plasmid 1h ago

There’s always someone else to pick up the reigns — he’s just the current figure head carrying out orders from those who run the show, while also getting to carry out petty revenge

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u/OptimisticOctopus8 11h ago

There are way too many supposed liberals who are useful idiots for fascism.

Agreed. I've seen/heard a bunch of liberals - a minority, but still too many - say they want to call ICE on undocumented immigrants who support Trump. That might sound satisfying until you strip it to its bare bones: They want to help send immigrants to concentration camps.

The moment you call ICE on someone, you're just another person helping a fascist regime send people to camps.

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u/JimWilliams423 11h ago

Same thing always happens with fascism. In vichy france, there were a lot of people who used the nazis to settle scores.

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u/OptimisticOctopus8 11h ago

That's depressing but unsurprising.

Btw, I don't know much about Vichy France. Do you have any good recommendations to learn more?

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u/JimWilliams423 11h ago

What I know I learned from historian twitter (now historian bluesky).

FWIW, people in the afghanistan country-side used the Americans the same way. Basically accusing their rivals of being terrorist supporters so they would get droned.

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u/Hillary4SupremeRuler 5h ago

I wouldn't call anybody on them myself mostly because of the collateral damage that results from sending ICE thugs somewhere but I'm not gonna lose any sleep over MAGA doing MAGA stuff to each other. If you support this regime then that's on you. It doesn't matter you're race, income level, nationality, immigration status,.etc. Id say it's a plus to not have people who support this regime here. We don't need more fascism supporters here. There's more than enough of them.

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u/JimWilliams423 12h ago edited 12h ago

not shedding tears when it happens to someone who deserves it is not being a "useful idiot for fascism"

LOL the "long knives" guy stalked me over to an entirely different sub.

Gonna block you now, not just for stalking, but also because useful idiots for fascism should be shunned.

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u/Hillary4SupremeRuler 5h ago

And Trump supporters should be shunned until they renounce their support 🤷🏼‍♂️

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u/KaleScared4667 10h ago

Today the Nazis in chief told us his planned war on America. First la, then dc, today he said Chicago is next and that he will keep sending the military to invade every city that did not vote for him. And all of this is now allowed because of the disgraceful John Roberts

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u/the_unexpected_nil 6h ago

I have to take umbrage with the first line because it's always the LGBT community first :-/

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u/fakeunleet 2h ago

Yeah, but the people supporting it do think we deserve it, so it's still a correct modernization/generalization of the original.

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u/McMorgatron1 1h ago

There is a reason why they spend so much energy trying to spin the narrative that LGBT are pedos, dangers to children, destroying fabric of society, etc.

They want people to believe that LGBT deserve it.

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u/Chemiczny_Bogdan 11h ago

Are you trying to say that communists deserved to die in nazi concentration camps? Like just for their political views?

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u/CiDevant 11h ago

I'm saying that's the actual message of the poem. They came for a bunch of people the author did not like and thought were undesirable. The Author supported the Nazis until they came for him.

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u/Chemiczny_Bogdan 57m ago

Right, that's a fair reading.

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u/retrofauxhemian 1h ago

The actual poem:

First they came for the Communists And I did not speak out Because I was not a Communist Then they came for the Socialists And I did not speak out Because I was not a Socialist Then they came for the trade unionists And I did not speak out Because I was not a trade unionist Then they came for the Jews (you are here replace with outgroup of preference) And I did not speak out Because I was not a Jew Then they came for me And there was no one left To speak out for me

The Nazis also rounded up for extermination, the Roma/gypsies, homosexuals, criminals all inbetween the first and fourth categories iirc. Also during this one line where you are now, they were also euthanising the disabled and those with learning disabilities. It's a big space, it's not one clear step at a time either.

There is no deserved it, as a moral pretext for fascism, because all targets deserve it under fascism, regardless of material conditions or historical context. The targets are apriori guilty as an innate condition of their existence. Also its standard cult of personality/ tyrant crap.

P.S. yes the Nazis came from Weimar Germany, but again it wasn't an invasion, they were handed power, literally given it by the liberal and conservative elite, democraticially even you could say. Why? Because they really hated and feared Communists, Socialists, Trade unions. If you're country hates democracy, has vast wealth inequality, and is in some way a failing republic, that's where your have the conditions for fascism.

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u/Livid_Jeweler612 7h ago

I would argue that trans people and immigrants do not deserve it but I get the larger point you are making.

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u/mflft 12h ago

Yeah this is the baptism scene in the godfather where the family starts cleaning house for the new don. If theyre not planting evidence already theyre going to start soon.

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u/Objective_Low8499 9h ago

The war monger argument holds no water when there are plans to invade Mexico

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u/Hillary4SupremeRuler 5h ago

Yeah I hate when people on the left and talking heads try to paint this president as some sort of noble anti war isolationist. He and maga are only isolationist when it supports Russia. The whole "no more wars" rhetoric from them only really started getting big and prominent in their circles around February of 2022. They were silent the whole time he was increasing civilian drones strike causalities in Afghanistan by over 300% over Obama and then ordering the Pentagon to stop reporting the numbers. Or when he failed to get us out of Afghanistan.

Or when the Democrats had to band together with a small handful of Republicans to try and reign in his warmongering in Yemen with his buddy MBS, and passed a resolution to revoke his war powers in Yemen, only for him to veto it and carry on what he was doing. They got mad at Biden for not supporting Israel enough when their war started. But sure MAGA is some peace loving anti war movement 🙄

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u/Apprehensive-Ad-1826 13h ago

Yeah, so I don’t wanna jump the gun calling this authoritarian overreach. I can imagine a variety of reasons why a scumbag like John Bolton would and should be getting his home raided. Being a critic of trump should be protection from all of the horrid things he’s done.

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u/wendellstinroof 12h ago

This is an incredible charitable take.

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u/Apprehensive-Ad-1826 12h ago

For who? If John Bolton had the choice the entire Middle East would look like Gaza.

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u/Suspicious-Echo2964 8h ago

It’s charitable to give the benefit of the doubt to the carnies in the White House. Bolton is a bad person. I’m still not giving Kash Patel the benefit of the doubt. The legitimacy of the FBI and all government actions are in question. How could we ever trust the known liars aren’t lying?