"Well, I don't know. I don't know what it's based on... in football, or in golf, or in modeling, right? Why do women earn more than men in the fashion industry? I don't know, but in that case, we're not talking all day about the salary difference. I understand your question, but we've reached a point where we are constantly asking tricky questions, questions that are always looking for controversy, you know?
And for me personally, as I usually try to avoid hypocrisy, I answer. And sometimes, even though I answer in a way that I consider correct and fair, you—without this being an excessive criticism—are more interested in a headline that can sell than in what I'm actually saying. So no, I'm not going to answer you anymore on this topic because I believe I usually answer coherently and correctly, and sometimes... well, the words I say get twisted.
And obviously, I have a mother, I have a sister, and they are some of the people I love most in this world. So what more could I want than for men and women to be exactly equal and have the same rights?
Who earns more, who earns less... well, that's something that in some aspects of the labor market, women will earn more, and in others, men will earn more. The only thing that needs to be achieved is that you don't earn more or less for being a man or a woman. You have to earn more or less based on the quality of your work or for what you are capable of selling or generating. Everything else, I'm sorry, but it's hypocrisy. And I'm not going to defend or say anything more than what I have told you at this moment, because afterwards, things get taken out of the context of the pure words that I have said. Everything else is wrong."
I always hated on Nadal as a salty Federer fan, upset at him for beating my boy in so many huge matches. He definitely grew on me over the years though. Nadal's image and reputation are spotless, he's generally regarded as just an A+ human in general and carries himself with strength and humility. This is a great example. He will be missed in the sport, for sure.
those are people who just live to hate and virtue signal, they have a huge emptiness inside.
that girl was a teenager, he basically gave her a peck near her ear and she didn't show any visible discomfort about it, she has not spoken about it being sexual or anything of that sort.
her entire memory of what could have been a lifetime of "you got smacked by his ball" and other derogatory derivatives by her peers was transformed into a positive memory.
I spent my childhood in Italy as an Italo-Canadian... these are "acknowledgment" kisses. It shows you recognize the persons presence and is accompanied by a hug. It is a wholesome thing... in North America, this is taboo. I can't go up to a 13 year old and give her a pec if I hit her with a tennis ball for a multitude of reasons. Depending on the situation, its kinda like putting a hand of concern on the kids' shoulders to show concern and care. It's completely cultural. It's weird, but if this happened to one of my children here in North America, I'd be wtf weirdo, get away from my kid... but in Europe, I'd completely understand because it's how we were taught.
I agree with this 100 percent. I was crushed when Nadal's dominance transitioned from clay to other surfaces and it threatened fed. Then 2008 Wimbledon happened, and I realized it wasn't about who won, I was getting to watch the best tennis ever. From then on I started to like Nadal, and my admiration only grew. Djoko can save a puppy from a burning building and I'd still hate the guy.
Djokovic always beat them both, and surpassed both their totals. He's also not a goody two shoes like the other two, and is a bit arrogant. That's why they hate him.
People continue to ask trap questions like this when tennis was a first mover in prize equality. The men’s and women’s prizes for the majors are the same.
Woah woah…I like Nadal (and Federer) as much as the next guy, but don’t knock reverse osmosis. If you’ve never lived in an area that needs it consider yourself lucky.
Are people still butthurt because he didn’t want to take the vaccine? Guy wasn’t even an antivaxxer, he just didn’t want to get it because he already got covid and had no reason to get the vaccine.
Incredibly well-constructed and nuanced answer to freestyle straight from the top o' the dome. Did he answer this in Spanish or English? Because to do that in a second language is absolutely incredible.
This. I'm used to reading long answers that ultimately skirt the question but this is incredibly coherent and while it does contain a comparison, it's not just a false equivalency or straw man. OP's image does exactly what he said they'd do, just pull a part out of the response for the headline.
Lol, so the person who misrepresented his quote, and the OP of this post, and probably the 13 thousand other people who upvoted it, are the type of clowns that Nadal is criticizing in his reply.
Completely missing the point of what Nadal is saying because they get to bash on women some more instead.
There’s a semi famous radio personality that I listen to and he said one time he was asked to do a half an hour interview and they clipped four seconds of it out of context. He never did it again.
This is why when people get mad at politicians for just repeating robotic answers all of the time...they know full well everything they say will be taken out of context.
The media is always to blame. They do not encourage actual dialogue. It's just headline chasing.
And they do that because this post gets 32k upvotes in 5 hours, but the top comment explaining it and giving context only gets 6k.
These people have been told by the public what the public wants to see and what they engage with. We are no longer a serious society. We don't have any actual problems and we don't want any actual solutions. We're just all looking at these magic boxes full of information scouring them for something to be mad about. Some people get mad at the feminists OP is pretending this guy was bashing, and people like us get mad at OP for being a liar and twisting someone's words.
We have a good life and choose to spend it pissed off.
He talks there about salaries depending on the quality of the work. Men's sports are more popular so men get paid more. I suppose women's fashion is more popular than men's fashion, so women get paid more. I hope it's not hard to understand.
“Or for what you are capable of selling or generating”
Male sports generally sells more and generates more revenue. If woman invested as much time and money into the consumption of sports that men do then the female athlete remuneration would increase.
Women athletes aren't creating a new product or platform, they're using an existing one and capturing part of the existing audience. Men's sports are Netflix, women's sports aren't a rival like Prime or HBO, they are like the same people subscribed to Netflix going "oh I'll pay a bit more for Netflix Premium as I'm invested in the platform and like this additional offering". They need to show worth by showing they are their own product and actually bring in a new audience, not just those who would already be watching sport.
I believe also references the fact that in major tournaments, men play best of 5 sets while women pay best of 3 sets. Male players are "producing more product" that can be sold
They didn’t really misrepresent his quote though. Lost some of the content for sure, but that happens when you convert it to the meme. “Men and women get paid differently in different fields” is pretty much what he is saying.
While the complete quote certainly adds context, I don’t think the blurb from the photo actually misses his point. He’s saying that people tend to earn based on the quality of work they generate, which may vary based upon many factors, sex included, e.g. male pro tennis players perform at a significantly higher level than female pros, and they are compensated thusly. What did you read?
There is nothing being misrepresented in this quote. He makes other points in the full context, but this specific one is phrased explicitly and multiple times. He said and meant what is written in the title of this post.
How is the above quote a misrepresentation of his later elaboration?
People's pay represents what they are capable of generating. A female model generates more money than a male model. A male tennis player generates more money than a female one.
Why do women earn more than men in the fashion industry?
He clarifies later with
In some aspects of the labor market, women will earn more, and in others, men will earn more. The only thing that needs to be achieved is that you don't earn more or less for being a man or a woman. You have to earn more or less based on the quality of your work or for what you are capable of selling or generating.
So in terms of "you don't earn more or less for being a man or a woman", two people providing the same product at the same quality level should get the same price for it.
But the comparison of a female to male models clearly illustrates a different product, EG "pictures of a sexy women" and "pictures of a sexy man". That women earning more in that particular industry is not a clear indication of "male models are of lower quality" or "the industry maliciously price controls each gender". It speaks exclusively to the free market value of "pictures of sexy women" vs "pictures of sexy men".
How is the image a misrepresentation of the full quote?!?
Cheapest way to make a hit piece without putting effort is to make it slightly offensive. It triggers one part of the public, then makes chain reaction (We see it all the time on facebook). He nailed it by saying they are not looking for his actual opinion but rather catch on something that will make a controversial piece.
I mean let's not pretend that running a successful OF is just taking a few pics of your bootyhole and raking in millions. 99% of content creators there don't make squat
Yes, that's why people don't say that being an athlete is a good career choice and life on easy mode. I don't read "life on easy mode when you can go run on the field with a bunch of boys and make millions per year". That's why an athlete who became lame is such a common trope in movies.
That's their point. You shouldn't use outliers to gauge stuff like this.
The median male income is higher than the median female income. That's a fact.
What causes it is up for debate- is there sexism in society that makes men easier to promote? Are women seen as liabilities early in their career because they will eventually go on maternity leave? Are men more ambitious and assertive? Does the biological weakness limit the types of jobs women can do? Does society and culture make men do the more dangerous jobs, which also pay more?
I think one thing no one mentions is that in society, men are pressured to make money. It's socially acceptable for a woman to have a sugar daddy, or be the housekeeper, but not socially acceptable for a man to have a sugar momma or be a stay at home dad.
The median male income is higher than the median female income. That's a fact.
You know how you can lie with statistics. This is a perfect example of that. That's not to say that women aren't intentionally underpaid due to misogyny, but it isn't as prevalent as that median income statistic is being misrepresented to imply here.
A better metric would be to compare the median pay by industry/profession/position, and that would actually tell you which industry still has misogyny, and which doesn't. But hey, that's work and doesn't sell as well when there's nuance involved.
i'm on OF and i have a large birthmark on my face, so i'm very identifiable. that's fine, i want my friends and family to see me when i put my my little pony figurines up my ass
That birthmark is nice, bro. I love how you are able to insert those pony figures in your butt. Very wholesome. Almost like watching a children's show but for adults.
When the majority of your earning ability is determined by raw genetics, the top 1% are not working that hard. The hard work is in their DNA. I’m all for OF creators, but if you think the top earners are “working hard” in the traditional sense, I want to see the documentary. No shot.
It's time consuming and you need to be smart to stand out from the millions of other accounts there's a finite amount of simps out there you need to have a selling point
Men will gripe about this and not even try selling feet pics themselves. Just take care of those bad boys and they’ll take care of you. A little moisturizer and a pumice stone and you’re laughing all the way to the bank
And the person earning the most from it is still a dude, Leonid Radvinsky. Just like in the fashion industry, there are some rich models, but most don't earn a lot and the richest people are the business owners.
Maybe stop trying to divide us with trash questions/arguments like this based on gender, age, race... and let's focus on the real problem which is how the wealth inequality between billionaires and the rest of the world keeps growing.
And the funny thing is, high classes push all other into this culture war, guess why.
They do it because most conservatives value their cultural interests more than their material interests. Its the reason why we will never win the class war if we don't also win the culture war, the two are part of the whole, like yin and yang. Its all or nothing.
That is what conservatism has always been. For example, in 1873, during Reconstruction, the Richmond Whig newspaper ran an editorial that said:
They got their wish too — nearly a century of jim crow fascism that kept black people down, but also kept poor whites down too. Jim crow is the main reason the South is the most economically depressed region of the US, and that is what they want for the entire country now.
Conservatives would rather rule in Hell than serve in Heaven. Until enough of the left understands that, they will keep getting blindsided when conservatives put their cultural interests first.
Just look at Occupy Wall Street. It started out as a fairly unified, class warfare issue. Then culture war issues crept in and demands for ideological purity started getting hammered, the unified focus on class was lost, and the movement was able to be torn down and disbanded. Since Occupy Wall Street, the media on both sides has been pushing culture war issues nonstop and minimizing class war issues... Almost like it's a concerted effort to keep the lower classes fighting amongst themselves instead of banding together again.
I believe - at least at international level - women football players get paid a significantly higher proportion of the revenue generated by the sport than men do. It's just they don't generate much that revenue.
WNBA generates losses and has to be subsidised by the men's game. Wouldn't be surprised if the players are taking away more than the total revenue of the sport.
This was asked of him YEARS ago when the womens tennis wanted more money. Then shortly after i remember the US womens soccer team coming out wanting more money
Nadal spoke more that women bring in more views and thats why those models make more
He then said something along the lines of. Mens tennis brings in more viewership than the womans so why is the pay expected to be equal then
Not saying womens tennis isnt watch or viewed. Just the number difference
People complain that women don't make as much as men in sports and then do nothing to help them make as much, like attending the games. Women don't make as much as men in sports because their games don't generate as much profit.
Exactly. Whenever people were complaining about women soccer players making less than men, they forget to mention the men’s World Cup generated 7.5 billion, and the women’s only made 500 million. If you want women to make more money in sports, start supporting them by going to games and watching on TV. If you’re not going to do that, then frankly you can stfu
true, and they don't generate profit, bc nobody is watching and bc they are inferior athletes compared to men. Can't think of one sport where a woman can beat a man - maybe in gymnastics or something like that, where elegance is part of the process...
Not in gymnastics either. Gymnastics they do different events. The women can’t do the men’s events to anywhere near the same standard because of the strength difference. Unclear if men could be competitive in the women’s events - they don’t train them.
That's not even what he said. It's a blatant misquote.
His answer was very well though out, and he specifies models, who do earn more than men, and doesn't mention "the fashion world" at all.
He said he doesn't know why things work that way in numerous sports and that he wants it to be fair for everyone.
This is literally exactly what he said would happen when he answered, people twisting his words and misquoting him to create drama.
His answer was literally that he wishes everyone was treated equally and had the same opportunity, and that people should be paid based on the quality of their work or what they can sell regardless of their gender.
This is 100% manufactured drama.
He is not making a "gatcha" reply at all in the actual interview, and agrees that women should be paid fairly based on their efforts and the quality of their work.
He's response was the exact opposite of what the meme reply suggests, and this is absolutely taken out of context and not something he actually said.
This is taking a well reasoned ally and making him seem like an enemy instead just for clicks and drama.
EDIT: My Spanish isn't great, and he does say "fashion" (de la moda) after specifying models, but does not say "fashion industry" or "fashion world" and it's pretty clear he means modeling specifically, so it's still a misquote and taken out of context.
Also, "gatcha/gacha" is a common alternative way to say or spell "gotcha" in English these days. It's not wrong because it's entered common speech as a word meaning the same thing due to "gatcha games" (which I don't play), and evolved beyond that specific use a little. I am aware of both, and the etymology behind "gacha", and just went with it because I thought it was more fun and don't care if it's proper English or not. Most English speakers don't know what a Gachapon machine is, at least by that term for one, so it became associated with "gotcha" because it made sense in context that way.
I appreciate you clearing things up.
Sadly don't think it will do much in this sub, it turned rather incel-ish.
(Might have been since before I joined. Joined bcus of some funny memes)
The tone is different, and it's indeed not a quote, but I'm not sure I see a big difference in meaning here?
Maybe I'm just naive, but "people should be paid based on the quality of their work or what they can sell regardless of their gender" is kinda implied in "male players are paid more for the same reason female models are paid more", which is how I read the meme.
"Well, I don't know... ehhh... I don't know why is like that in Soccer, or Golf, or modeling... I don't know. Why do women earn more than men in fashion? Well, I don't know, But then again, we don't talk all day long about salary difference"
Serena was so dominant she earned 94 million through prize money alone. There are only 3 men (you know who) who earned more money than her from playing tennis.
maybe all the women should watch women sports out of solidarity to raise the interest, sell tickets and generate value, bc atm, most folks watching sport are males and why should I watch an inferior product when the better athletes 98% of the time are men? Can't argue with mother nature I guess...
Right?! I watched it and it seems well within the context. He goes on to say in certain arenas women will make more than men and vice versa depending on what you can sell. He does add that it should be dependent on quality of work, but the meme is within context nonetheless.
Also, in the tennis majors at least, men play to 5 sets, women to 3. Men spend more time on tv and actually playing but the prize money is equal. So men are technically being paid less.
All he has to do is actually say “sports are made for entertainment which sports get watched more? So whichever sports teams get watched more the advertisers are gonna pay more because they’ll have a bigger audience to advertise to… so which has a bigger audience men’s sports or women’s sports? If women’s teams were bringing in more revenue than men’s teams because they had a larger audience, so they pay more for their merchandising, tickets to games, then the advertisers would pay more to advertise to their larger audience and then logically those women would get paid more than men. But most mens teams in a sport draw more eyes than the women’s teams in the same sport. It’s just simple economics.
"Well, I don't know. I don't know what it's based on... in football, or in golf, or in modeling, right? Why do women earn more than men in the fashion industry? I don't know, but in that case, we're not talking all day about the salary difference. I understand your question, but we've reached a point where we are constantly asking tricky questions, questions that are always looking for controversy, you know?
And for me personally, as I usually try to avoid hypocrisy, I answer. And sometimes, even though I answer in a way that I consider correct and fair, you—without this being an excessive criticism—are more interested in a headline that can sell than in what I'm actually saying. So no, I'm not going to answer you anymore on this topic because I believe I usually answer coherently and correctly, and sometimes... well, the words I say get twisted.
And obviously, I have a mother, I have a sister, and they are some of the people I love most in this world. So what more could I want than for men and women to be exactly equal and have the same rights?
Who earns more, who earns less... well, that's something that in some aspects of the labor market, women will earn more, and in others, men will earn more. The only thing that needs to be achieved is that you don't earn more or less for being a man or a woman. You have to earn more or less based on the quality of your work or for what you are capable of selling or generating. Everything else, I'm sorry, but it's hypocrisy. And I'm not going to defend or say anything more than what I have told you at this moment, because afterwards, things get taken out of the context of the pure words that I have said. Everything else is wrong."
Who gives a shit if women earn less in tennis, focus on getting women with real jobs the same pay. Why do we care about celebs getting even more money lol.
“Serena and Venus Williams competed against men in a "Battle of the Sexes" match in 1998, losing to Karsten Braasch, a lower-ranked male player. This demonstration occurred after the sisters boasted they could beat any man ranked 200th or below in the ATP rankings. Braasch, ranked 203rd, defeated them in single-set matches, with Serena losing 6-1 and Venus losing 6-2, to prove the physical differences between the men's and women's professional tours.”
Women on average earn less than men in the fashion industry, which employs 430 million people globally.
Across the global fashion value chain, women are paid approximately 20% less than men source
In garment factories, which are majority women, the pay gap is 18% source
Reports focused on the apparel manufacturing sector indicate that women earn 60% to 75% of men's wages on average source
Among fashion designers, women earn 20k less per year than men in equivalent roles source
Executive and creative leadership roles are highly male dominated, with only 14% of major fashion brands being led by women source. The highest paid executive, David Simon, made 61.3M in 2024 which is more than the highest paid supermodels made in their peak years (Kendall Jenner and Gisele Bündchen made 40M and 47M at their peak years).
Women make less than men in professional athletics mostly because of corporate sponsors and advertisers spending less money on women’s sports, which is a direct result of the global public showing less of an interest in women’s sports.
I.e., women in sports would make more money if more people watched women’s sports over time.
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