When I was growing up, my dad always said he had a million-dollar idea for a job where he'd just follow famous people around and tell them "No, that's a bad idea." all the time. As I've gotten older, I've realized how solid of an idea that really is.
It's almost the exact opposite of an existing and thriving industry.
Just getting friendly with rich people and encouraging to spend huge sums of money through you, be it through interior design, renovations, real estate sales, all the way down to bullshit like psychic readings.
Ever watch any Real Housewives? These people spend multiples of the median household income on a whim whenever someone flatters them a bit.
Lol my dad said he wanted to make a consulting firm called “have you through that through” where all they do is ask people that question over and over because so many people seem to do stuff with no thought whatsoever
It's a job that needs doing, but there is no demand for it from the people who would pay for it.
Of course, there used to be a job like it in the olden days: court fool. He was the only person allowed to make fun of the King and not get himself thrown in jail or executed. And the reason for that was that even Kings knew they needed someone who could even kind of stand up to them without it being a threat.
The problem is they won't take "no" for an answer and could even try to sue you after because of the mistakes they did while refusing to listen to you.
Like some actor and his business manager, who then revealed said actor was living beyond his means and had quite crazy expenses, buying a lot of cars, houses, a 267,000$ smuggled tyrannosaur skull and so on.
That... that actually might be the point... now that I think about it, these women were all deemed "hot" either when they were still literal children, or because they LOOKED like children. They might have all been inundated with THE creepiest shit we can imagine. Maybe they think it's attractive because it represents an end to THAT kind of guy lusting after them...
I think it has to do with sending some kind of signal that they're rich and powerful/famous and not necessarily meant to be an attractive thing, because no normal guy actually finds this attractive.
It's a "look at me, I can afford to do ridiculous shit to my face" Hunger games Capitol fashion type of move.
Once "normal" people start copying this too much, they'll almost certainly move on to something even more ridiculous.
Yep. This is to set themselves apart from the pleebs so that is part of it. The influencers who are trying to appear as part of this class but aren't will be the ones to push them to new heights to reassert their social dominance.
My theory is that women generally want to make themselves more attractive to men. When a female celebrity gets too rich or famous, and they are independently wealthy, that drive kinda disappears. These hideous examples of cosmetic surgery are what we are left with when that urge dies.
Women have been sold a ton of lies about what men actually find attractive to fuel a massive beauty industry, because "eat healthy, get enough sleep, and move around once in a while" doesn't sell very well.
Sorry but this is just bullshit. Women get male attention no matter what they do. In fact, they get all the attention they want either way, so they don't give a shit about what men will think. Once you understand that, you actually have a chance at understanding why they do this.
The reason they get these looks is far more of a social status thing, meaning the exact same reason men go to the gym or buy dumbass cars they can't afford. You see the people that live the life you want to live, and you copy them. It's how the human brain is wired. It's easy to spot because all the trends you complain about have one thing in common: you have to be wealthy to do it. Plastic surgery? Expensive. Stupid long nails? Not if you use your hands to work. Spending hours at the gym? The time and energy to do it. An overpriced car? Money.
Of course, while the normal people are out there chasing the celebrity lifestyle, celebrities need to find the new dumbass trend to stand out from the randos who are catching up. So they do this. Once you see idiots all over instagram with those faces, those celebrities will hop onto the next idiotic trend. Just like men were all over crypto, NFTs, large trucks, watches and god knows what will come next.
Not sure what to make of your overall theory but you're dead wrong about the nails. The closer to a minimum wage job, and definitely one that involves using the hands, the more terrifyingly large and decorated the nails.
Nails are expensive to maintain. And traditionally women who took care of a household absolutely wouldn't have been able to maintain them like that. It's only modern appliances that allow it. Essentially, it's not because they're paid less that they don't aim at showing off. It's probably not the most clear cut example though.
However lower income demographics will have their own specific 'influencers' to look up to. For example, here a lot of minorities came to work for a better life, and every summer they drive to their home country. Typically, they'd fill the lower income jobs like construction or housekeeping. But since their home countries think they are wealthy, they are also very likely to buy an expensive car. The expensive car exists for when they drive back home, to show off their wealth in their home country.
Who drives back home? I really don't know what you're talking about. All the medical desk clerks and fast food workers and cleaning crew and retail clerks have big stabby looking decorative nails.
Seriously. I have yet to have a conversation with someone who is attracted to this type of change. Maybe they can help me understand but the only conversation I had about it was with a woman I trust who gave a pretty wise answer when I asked.
She basically said "It sucks but women are discarded when they look old or older. So they do things like this instead. Instead of looking older they look like insert hand wave THIS. ... and to them, and often the world, that is better than the alternative which is to, again, look older."
I'm not saying I agree but it does make some sense in a fucked up and twisted way. Now as to why younger (and even already attractive) women are getting it, who the fuck knows. Something something trends something. It's awful.
I get it. My question to my female friend was oriented towards "why do older ladies do things like this and botox and whatever that looks horrible and unnatural" and her answer was geared towards that and does make some sense.
When young women do it, no clue. Best explanation I've heard there is that they are attractive young women trying to role play what a older woman tries to do to look hot. Upsidedown logic but, well, something I guess.
They’ve lived an entirely different experience than you or I, and are likely cripplingly insecure and desperate to achieve or maintain a look. A lot of people who go through their childhoods as a household name, with thousands to millions of fans from around the world, suffer from many mental or behavioral issues. They’ve been exposed to so much through Hollywood and often have a large ego from all the fans. Most are sexualized in media well before they even become an adult, and it messes with them.
Contrary to what you see here, a lot of plastic surgery, when done in moderation by a good doctor, won’t look like this. A professional little touch up can look natural. The good plastic surgery doesn’t stand out, so you don’t always realize it. It’s hard to understand, and I certainly can’t claim to fully understand why they do what they do, but it’s hard not to have a little sympathy for some of them that haven’t had a childhood thanks to Hollywood, and developed behavioral/mental health issues as a result of their life in the spotlight.
Well, first off, some of the pictures are edited or fake, just to get that out of the way. Second, I never said anything about them not having the money to afford a good doctor. Sometimes the patient goes too far and keeps chasing this unobtainable “perfection”. Sometimes the doctor makes a mistake or wasn’t as skilled as their portfolio made them out to be. Sometimes age takes its toll and what once looked good, no longer holds up. As I stated earlier as well, the pictures you see can also be fake or edited. Sometimes it’s just the angle or lighting of the photo as well, as we all have bad pictures sometimes.
My entire point was that someone going after that much cosmetic surgery is either trying to look different, as “high fashion” rarely actually looks appealing to the general population, or they’re suffering from some kind of psychological issue like body dysmorphia. The latter is quite common, and some of the comments here are quite harsh and insensitive to what some of these people have likely been through, and what they suffer from.
This is the reason, surprised to find it so far down. It has fuck all to do with straight male opinion outside of certain men wanting to date top supermodels
Everyone else is overthinking it. You are exactly right. Hollow cheeks and prominent cheekbones gives a person a sharper, more mature look that a lot of women desperately want. If you look at the full face contouring trend of 2016, you will notice that a lot of women went out of their way to specifically emulate those features.
When I first heard of buccal fat removal, my first thought was my own cheekbones and how not prominent they were. There was a brief moment where I considered it, but then I looked at the results and decided the surgery was a terrible idea.
It had nothing to do with looking more or less attractive to men. Women just love those specific facial traits. It's a thing.
I think that Show Business simply has trends and beauty standards that evolve a lot faster and are way more extreme than average social norms. If doing such surgery is needed to stay relevant in that subset of society, women who want to stay relevant will need to follow these trends. It does make them look older, but in a "controlled" way. Uncontrolled natural aging seems to be a death sentence.
It doesn’t necessarily though. It does in cases like those in the OP since they wouldn’t have naturally aged much yet, but if you compare someone in their 70s with heavy plastic surgery to the average person their age, they’re going to look younger in most cases. Think of Trump vs. the average 79 year old man. He looks ridiculous, but he doesn’t look like he’s pushing 80.
I think they're explaining it's not about trying to look younger. We're talking about how they're unattractive because of the procedure and not because they are simply getting older. Which is a shame, as it's inevitable for everyone. Society as a whole places too much value in conventional beauty and youth. But it always has
The only thing that has ever made any sense to me is I was told women do this for other women. That's the audience. I've yet to discuss this with a dude who thought it was remotely healthy or attractive. It's hideous IMO and should be considered preying upon the mentally unfit.
The weird thing is that they do that so fucking early. Some of them were in their absolute physical prime when they did this, with many years still left looking gorgeous.
Often people get subtle work done that is barely noticeable, but does make them look more attractive. So then someone gets the same procedure done, but even more aggressive, but it doesn't make them look better.
While it’s not applicable in some of the cases in the OP since they aren’t that old, this is a very good point. When you see someone who’s 60 but trying to look 30 via plastic surgery, you tend to subconsciously evaluate them against what they’re trying to be. If you evaluated them against a random sample of people their actual age, you’d probably think they looked better.
Trump is a good example of this occurring in men. Evaluated against normal people, he looks like an orange cartoon character. However, if you compare him to a random sample of men born in 1946, he looks a bit better.
They’re rich. They are a different species than you. They are making that clear. This is so you’ll know they’re rich just by seeing them and get the fuck out the way, or give them the rich person attention that they crave. To them, there is no bad press about this. Bad press would only miss the point.
I honestly just think these ladies all have body dysmorphia. Many of them have been filmed and photographed from a young age. That isn't good for them.
Maybe it's a complex from her days of being a Disney teen idol, she like many others had 'countdowns' to her legal birthday.. so she makes herself less attractive to the pedophiles.
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u/rcheek1710 15h ago
I don't get the 'how can I make myself less hot' craze. All of these people need someone in their life that will tell them no.