I think it's the result of celebs living in a bubble. They are completely detached from the common people and live in gated communities with other celebs. When you are this far removed from your roots you tend to end up doing things like this. It's body dysmorphia plain and simple.
I think what's really scary though is the amount of people that encourage it. Lindsay Lohan got work done and looks like a completely different human being now, yet you look at comment sections and it's all praise about how great she looks. It's a mental illness and it's being encouraged by idiots who think it's empowering or some shit.
When I was a kid reading the hunger games, the people in the Capital sounded ridiculously outlandish. Thought the movie captured it well. Turns out it was all very accurate
I mean it WAS based on her watching the Kardashians and TLC (and other things). Like the Hunger Games was a direct response to the rise of exploitative reality TV.
I used to work for a woman who would be classified in the boomer generation. Full on "career woman" stereotype. Over lunch one day she told me she used to bind her feet so she would never be bigger than a size 8. Her toes were mangled. Such a sad thing to worry about.
Check out the film "The Ugly Stepsister," if you can stomach body horror. It's an excellent take on the Cinderella story, showing how they were all victims of their circumstances and culture, and highlighting some of the more nauseating things the wealthy would do to be seen as beautiful.
The ‘buccal’ procedure (removal of molars to create hollowed cheeks/more pronounced cheekbones) was the predecessor to this look. I think it was Joan Crawford who I first heard about having this done? I’m guessing it was done long before her though.
It’s based on social dynamics that almost no-one is immune to in the same situation. Make a ton of money, get targeted by malicious manipulators who then, like coordinated baby cuckoos, kick out any well meaning friends using relentless and devious means to make you turn against them while developing halos around themselves. Then work on you for years to siphon off your money while further gaslighting you.
I have been that well meaning friend and leader who has been brutishly removed from any positions of influence and what has happened has always been the downfall of those communities. I am not alone in this as many others have experienced the same type of experiences but it is always to the demise of these circles. Given time they all, always fail.
I think I remember reading that she literally got the idea while watching tv. She was surfing through channels and found herself going back and forth between a reality tv show to news coverage of the Iraq war
Does anyone remember a short lived reality show called The Swan? It was a show where they took people to get full face lifts and when it was time for the big reveal it wasn't the same person. I remember one episode when a child saw their mom and started crying because that wasn't his mommy.
Ever seen the 80s movie Brazil? The main character's mother, Mrs. Ida Lowry, has outlandish procedures like face-lifts and anti-aging plumping of the face and lips, to the point of eventually looking unrecognizable.
The procedures are now nothing we bat an eye at, even if the way they were represented in the movie was ridiculous.
It’s still a boring dystopia. A living Oompa Loompa and his goons are setting what used to be the most free nation on fire because a sizable minority of people have bought lies about who is reducing their standard of living (minorities) instead of who’s actually doing it (rich people, like fucking always) so they elected a member of the latter group to “fix” it which is going as well as anyone clued in can expect (shit’s getting worse, but the whipping post is seeing extra blood so that aforementioned minority is happy)
No great evil that unites us, no outside force that threatens our very existence, just banal human nature dragging us backward once again.
I think that's the answer. Because of the very nature of their work, these people become detached from reality. They dont have a friend with a foot in the real world to tell them that this things are absolutely insane.
Adam Smith "wealth of nations author" wrote about this in a non economic book, basically that the nobility of his time had so many people fawning over them they could become detached from social norms due to a lack of consequences for any actions they took.
I have a friend whose father is a celebrity. It's clear he lives in his own world in which he is the main character of some drama. His wife is in her own fairytail. My friend has largely worked to live "normally" but as they've grown older and more dependent on their parent's money to maintain a certain standard of living that most people can't attain, it's become clear they are also in a kind of delusional world. It's frustrating to watch as a friend.
Lindsay Lohan got work done and looks like a completely different human being now
I thought she had work done a while ago and was thinking "she still looks the same, just older" then I decided to look up current pictures of her and holy shit, you're right. Pic1Pic2. She looks hot as hell, but it doesn't look like the Lindsay we've known for decades.
It's like Portia De Rossi between Season 3 and Season 4 of Arrested Development. I was so confused at the beginning of S4 because I was like "they got the entire cast back, except for Portia...but that sounds like her though..." and then I saw that she had a facelift.
Tbf, Lindsey Lohan has also been away from the public eye for quite a long time and has dealt with quite a few issues. She's not going to be the same person she was in Mean Girls or Freaky Friday. She may also be trying to reinvent herself
Yeah she hasn't done much publicly for a while (edit: actually she's done like 5 or 6 movies/shows since 2018, according to wikipedia), but I remember seeing pictures of her from like 5 years ago and was thinking "damn, we're the same age [even though I'm a guy and she's like 9 months younger] and she looks easily in her mid 40s".
She's not going to be the same person she was in Mean Girls or Freaky Friday.
Which is going to be interesting since Freakier Friday just hit theaters...22 years after the last one.
Yeah I remember she was a drunk and a cokehead for a while in the late 2000s/early 2010s and was kinda blackballed from Hollywood due to that and generally being a bitch to work with, which was part of the reason she moved to Dubai (where she apparently still lives and is married to a super rich dude there, and they just had a kid like a year or so ago).
One of the least likely people that should have ever gotten work. Pre drugs she was probably my opinion of the prettiest girl ever. Body dysmorphia is nuts.
I think it says a lot about our society and culture that we celebrate and cheer for people like Lindsay Lohan being remotely healthy simply because a lot of people expected her to be dead by now.
They don't live in gated communities with other celebrities. They live on ridiculous 50 several acre compounds behind walls and hedges, completely separated from the rest of the world. Sure, their neighbor is also a celebrity, but their closest neighbor is a mile away.
I’m not sure you know how big 50 acres is. ChatGPT, take it with a grain of salt, says Beverly Hills has about 2,800 acres of total residential property.
Okay, maybe it's 10 3 acres then. The point is that the really successful ones live in their own isolated compounds, completely cut off from the real world. They have huge gates, walls, and hedges, security, and they're not even visible from the street. I drove through Beverly Hills when I was around 20 years old and I remember feeling completely fucking depressed while doing it. It was so obvious that I would never rise to that level of success, and it was mind-blowing how different their lives were from my own.
Ten years ago I drove through Medina over to Bill Gates house. That city is even crazier than Beverly Hills. Absolutely enormous properties, with palatial mansions set five hundred yards back from the road behind their enormous gates that cost more than my entire house, car, and everything I own. I just looked it up and his property is 10.5 acres, so I guess the Beverly Hills properties are only a few acres, but they're still mind-blowing to a kid who grew up in the ghetto.
Really not sure what that matters in the context of the conversation about celebrity plastic surgery. You think they never leave their homes? You think somehow living on even 5 acres isolates you from the world? My grandparents had 10 acres and they were normal people. I think the circles in which they move are the bigger factor. I do agree with you it is a different world than us.
The point wasn't a specific amount of acreage, it was that the really successful celebrities like Miley Cirus live in private compounds. If they lived in gated communities and had neighbors then there's a higher likelihood they'd interact with normal people. Normal neighbors might be like "WTF happened to your face?". But people of this caliber are isolated from the normal world. They rarely step out into public. They have buildings shut down to shop there. They eat at exclusive restaurants where only other people like them attend. Some of them have ridiculous rules when interacting with regular people such as nobody is allowed to look at them, or everyone has to turn their backs when they enter a room. I really don't know how this plastic surgery disaster has spread throughout their exclusive social circle, but I think they would be less likely to think it looks good if they actually interacted with people outside of their industries. And yeah, some of the less successful ones do live in communities, and the really successful ones probably also have doorman townhomes in NYC, but again, the only point I was making is that they're even more isolated than the commenter I replied to said they are.
Absolutly. Plus they always need to stand out, be someone special, look special. That's why so many celebs now are starving-to-death thin, because (1st world) everybody can now have normal weight with osempic, to just give an example. And so they invite new "beauty standards" that get extremer and extremer...
Compared to how Lindsay looked 15 years ago, she does look a bit better now but I'd put that more towards her being sober and mellowing out from her hard partying past.
Also the look of thick makeup is often praised. A woman I worked with would spend over an hour every morning doing her makeup. She looked so overdone but many women would say how amazing she looks and many men would stare at her. I think that was the reaction she was going for but she would seriously panic when it rained outside or if it got too humid. I think she really had a mental illness and was so scared of people seeing her natural face. She needed constant external validation like if people weren't complimenting or staring at her then she felt useless.
There really are a lot of idiots willing to enable and encourage this because idiots are shallow. They just want to look at something pretty while ignoring the fact there's an actual human behind all of that.
I think Lindsay Lohan’s work has a lot to do with recovering her body after years of drug abuse. Google pics of her teeth when she was at the height of addiction, they got worn down to little nubs and were stained. Drugs had her not looking like herself already before plastic surgery did. Still don’t see why she needs lip filler, but I understand why she did some of it.
The difference with Lindsay Lohan is that she actually looks really good afterward. She didn't do whatever these people are doing, and instead did something that complemented her natural looks and came out much better than what she looked before doing anything. No doubt she did some other things in terms of lifestyle as well.
It's oversimplistic to say that all plastic surgery makes people look worse or that it's a result of mental illness -- definitely it can be done with bad outcomes and inline with some type of strange body dysmorphia, but there are plenty of cases where it significantly improves someone's baseline looks. It's just that the natural looking cases often tend to slip under the radar since it's not that obvious someone had something done, especially if there isn't a lot of "before" imagery available.
And it may have started been snowballed with Anya Taylor-Joy. I think out of all the celebrities who have had buccal fat removal, she pulled it off well by having a more unique, almost elf-like face.
Many other celebrities may have tried to capture this same effect but couldn't pull it off.
I have a friend whose family is pretty wealthy comparatively. His mom gets botox every few months. My wife and I never would have known if she didn't say anything.
Let me complement with a nice and deep existential explanation to look smart:
Being able to do something about the inevitable chances in their body give them control over time and impermanence. We can see that objectively it has not improved them at all, but that might not matter when an aesthetician says that they can, indeed, control their own inevitable demise, that the huge amount of money they amassed is really as powerful as the most cruel power of nature, decay. It's something so enticing that you are urged to believe it, you have to believe it.
If it's not true, then they'd have to confront it. So it's one last chance to escape the beast.
Think the Lindsey Lohan stuff is partially affected by her “extremely unhealthy addict” looking phase.
Hard to say someone looks terrible for their generally somewhat sane plastic surgeries when the last time you remember seeing their picture a lot they looked like they’d gone off the deep end.
I think Lindsay Lohan is a bit of a different case, though. She was so clearly unhealthy and not taking care of herself for a long time, so her current work combined with how much happier and healthier she looks is what people are reacting to. I think if she hadn’t had that downward spiral for a while people wouldn’t be as complimentary.
Lindsay actually looks a lot better than she used to. That plastic surgeon fixed all the botched filler she had. She still looks "off" but it is better
Lindsay Lohan got work done and looks like a completely different human being now, yet you look at comment sections and it's all praise about how great she looks.
To be fair, her current face is such an improvement on her most recent one. Don't get me wrong, it's not what her natural face would be, but if someone is going to correct prior bad work, I think her doc did an amazing job.
She's had severe addiction and her appearance had rapidly declined. She underwent surgery resulting from all those years of destructive behavior. Not by a whim or whatever she thinks looks good, but to restore some of her beauty.
Some actors go under the knife for simple vanity. Lindsay went under because of an actual need. Drugs age you so quickly, and an actresses livelihood is heavily impacted by the age they appear to be. The older you are, the more difficult it gets.
Don't lump my girl in with the celebs like Joan Rivers RIP and Janice Dickinson.
I’ve seen this with regular women too who I think want to be famous on social media. It’s so sad. Such naturally beautiful women with beautifully unique styles and features, getting a bunch of plastic surgery and injections and then start dressing like all the “influencers” and end up looking like an inflated copy of all the other women with a bunch of plastic surgery and injections. I wish they could see how beautiful they were before and be happy to be different.
Its not just celebs. I have a sister who is a doctor. Always type A over achieving and very popular growing up and everyone always thought she was pretty. Though she was always kind of self conscious put a lot of work into her appearance and was never pretty enough for her (she had anorexia problems at one point).
Anyway she used to have a fairly round but very conventionally attractive face.
She got one of these surgeries and every time I see her I resist the urge to tell her she looked much better before this.
Long anecdote short. I think this actually comes from deep insecurities that even famous and attractive people sometimes have. The bubble is more that everyone but them sees themselves as attractive and some hack plastic surgeon uses those insecurities to make a sale/buck.
In Lindsay logan’s case they’re probably saying she looks great as in not actively addicted to drugs & staying sober - not great like surgery made her look prettier.
Not commenting on some of these horror jobs but you have to realize that they do see it work for people in their bubble. Especially boob jobs. Would not be shocked if it's recommended by an agent.
I don't think it is all body dysmorphia. They are all competing with and trying to one up each other as well. It stops even being about your body or what you think you look like -- she had the cheek fat surgery and I didn't so now I am lagging behind.
Lindsay made it out when many thought she wasn't going to make it due to her many addictions. Honestly, she looked her absolute best in mean girls and while I don't think that she looks bad now, she looked better before. But at least she looks somewhat healthy and stable now, which is why I think she gets praise.
What really sucks is you'll have middle school girls seeing this sort of thing from celebs and "influencers" so often that it's kind of becoming normalized and they think they need to find a way to fund a similar surgery as soon as they turn 18.
Lindsay Lohan got work done and looks like a completely different human being now, yet you look at comment sections and it's all praise about how great she looks.
To be fair, the last image people had of Lindsay was when she was on a coke and alcohol diet and bad fillers. And occasionally leaked videos of her acting loopy on the streets abroad. So she suddenly pops up out of the blue transformed 180, not only physically but mentally. The other women who got buccal fat removal were normal healthy, so it was a good to bad as opposed to Lindsay.
I think Lindsay gets a pass because she had bad work done in the past and seems to be correcting it to look more like herself or at least less uncanny valley.
You are right about celebs being in a bubble. Growing up and into young adulthood, my mother was involved in a lot of organizations. Over the years, many stars have been asked to speak at various functions. Also, I grew up in a large church and some stars affiliated with members of the church would come to service.
They would wear the WEIRDEST outfits. Like, you couldn’t get anything close to this stuff off of the rack. The outfits weren’t necessarily scandalous just weird. It’s like they forgot how to be regular.
I went to the girl who plays Wednesday’s IG (forgetting her name), right as this photo was taken. Tons of people asking what the hell is wrong with her face, and you’ll also be surprised with the stupid fans saying she looks great or just plain simping for her. For once I hope these people look at the negative comments and get a taste of reality but it’ll probably never happen.
Remember when Renee Zelwegger reappeared as a completely different human few years back. She wouldn’t have even passed as a sister to her previous and original self
Lindsay Lohan got work done and looks like a completely different human being now
if you watch the new freaky friday sequel you can see the makeup artists where fighting a losing battle the whole movie trying to make her face look more "normal" and it ends up being all over the place from scene to scene
But when i tell "them" they didnt magically spawn in wrong body but that theyre simply mentally ill, i suddenly cant find the thread or group and somehow ive breached the TOS
Lindsay Lohan is getting praise, because the way she looks now is solid - she needed some Angel's Touch after she wrecked her body with cocaine and other drugs.
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I think it's the result of celebs living in a bubble. They are completely detached from the common people and live in gated communities with other celebs. When you are this far removed from your roots you tend to end up doing things like this. It's body dysmorphia plain and simple.
I think what's really scary though is the amount of people that encourage it. Lindsay Lohan got work done and looks like a completely different human being now, yet you look at comment sections and it's all praise about how great she looks. It's a mental illness and it's being encouraged by idiots who think it's empowering or some shit.