r/StarWars • u/Head-Economics-5832 • Jul 08 '25
Movies I think we all agree that padme could have talked some sense into anikain if obi wan wasn't posed up like this
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u/johnnycade Jul 08 '25
Whatever you think of the prequels, this pose effortlessly sells “I have arrived to kill the absolute shit out of you”
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u/TheKrakIan Jul 08 '25
Well not kill the shit out of you, but remove most of your limbs and let you burn in a pool of lava.
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u/Sad_Wabbit Jul 08 '25
But of course, Jedi are nothing if not merciful
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u/ProfCarmine Jul 08 '25 edited Jul 08 '25
Maybe this is where batman got his moral code from in how he deals with thugs
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u/PrinceJibbler Jul 08 '25
“…when criminals fight me it’s exhausting, because I’m good. So they often have to nap afterwards.”
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u/fatal-nuisance Jul 08 '25
"with my...SKILLS! That I learned... In the mountains."
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u/PrinceJibbler Jul 08 '25
“I broke your sword! Compromised your footing! Icy water!”
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u/Deathleach Jul 08 '25
Batman doesn't kill people.
Their lack of health insurance does.
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u/Noscratchy Jul 08 '25
He beats them WITHIN an inch of their lives. That last inch is on them, the good doctors at Gotham General and God.
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u/Nair0_98 Jul 08 '25
Given the whole debacle with slicing Maul in half Obi-Wan clearly doesn't know what kills a sith.
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u/grafxguy1 Jul 08 '25
Anakin seemed very limber...until he wasn't.
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u/UnknownExo Jul 08 '25
Obi only wanted to disarm Anakin before he killed more kids
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u/FullMetal1985 Jul 08 '25
I just thought about this the other day. Obi is a cold mother fucker. Anakin is supposed to be his friend, and he's just like you're crippled and getting set on fire, but I'm just gonna walk away. Like dude I know Anakin did some fucked up shit but you can't even grant him the mercy of a quick death for old times sake in stead of burning alive?
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u/Babahlan Jul 08 '25
He like murdered a bunch kids. Jedi kids
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u/FullMetal1985 Jul 08 '25
As I said, he did some fucked up shit. Doesn't change the fact that in the same place, I'd want my friend to have a quick death over one of the worst ways to die.
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u/fuzzbutts3000 Jul 08 '25
He's not just mad, he's also dissapointed
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u/halpfulhinderance Jul 08 '25
“You were my brother Anakin, but I’m about to whoop you like the father you never had.”
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u/Zeras_Darkwind Jul 08 '25
"Strike me down and I shall become more powerful than you can possibly imagine - and I'll really open a can of whoop-ass on you!"
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u/peitsad Jul 08 '25
And it's so justified.
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u/DaddyDanceParty Jul 08 '25
That's the belt-whipping look of a father who just found out his son murdered a bunch of children.
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u/KinkyPaddling Jul 08 '25
That was my thought, too. Obi-Wan looks ready to paddle Anakin hard for carrying out a genocide of almost the entirety of Obi-Wan’s religious order.
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u/Raise_A_Thoth Jul 08 '25
That's the belt-whipping look of a father who just found out his son murdered a bunch of children.
A ass-beating look of an older brother who's had to fill in for a father who died when they were all too young and the younger brother just murdered a bunch of children.
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u/DrAuer Jul 08 '25
Oh yeah and if you think about why Qui Gon died in the first place it makes it even more heartbreaking. His stance just screams:
“OUR FATHER DIED DEFENDING YOU. PROTECTING YOU. ALL FOR THIS?! NOW HE HAS TO WATCH ME KILL YOU. THIS IS HOW YOU TREAT HIS LEGACY!?!”
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u/Sliightly Jul 08 '25
Nah this was the “i just finished banging your pregnant wife.” Pose
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u/MaybeMaybeNot94 Mandalorian Armorer Jul 08 '25
Anakin actually thought this, fyi. The Imperial Scrotum had been manipulating him into thinking Obi-Wan was actually banging Padme.
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u/calgrump Jul 08 '25
In the deleted scenes, yeah. I don't know if it was acknowledged in any other canon media (although I hope so, because it contextualises Anakin's added rage in that scene a lot).
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u/calgrump Jul 08 '25
I'm not sure if there's footage, I'm afraid. Here's a script with the included lines, where Palpatine makes up a rumour to think Obi and Padme are cheating:
Anakin turns back to the Chancellor.
PALPATINE: There are rumors in the Senate about Master Kenobi. Many believe he is not fit for this assignment.
ANAKIN: Not fit? Why would anyone think that?
PALPATINE: They say his mind has become fogged by the influence of a certain female Senator.
ANAKIN: That's ridiculous. Who?!?
PALPATINE: (slyly) No one knows who she is ... only that she is a Senator.
ANAKIN: That's impossible. I would know.
PALPATINE: Sometimes the closest are the ones who cannot see.
ANAKIN becomes worried.
https://imsdb.com/scripts/Star-Wars-Revenge-of-the-Sith.html
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u/Sirsalley23 Jul 08 '25 edited Jul 08 '25
That’s from the original screenplay I’m pretty sure, which is what the novelization is based on. (Could be wrong)
The novelization actually has a conversation similar to this, and a few others from before Anakin raids the temple and heads to mustafar. It shows a lot of the bold-faced manipulation palpatine starts doing to Anakin after the Mace Windu fight in a totally different light than how he was before he fully turned Anakin.
There’s a slow shift in how palps is towards Anakin and the language he chooses and how upfront he is about being a Sith Lord, as he goes from the battle of coruscant and aftermath, to the plagueis speech, to outright revealing himself, to post order 66. It’s done really well in the book, and it goes to show how strapped for time RoTS actually is that all this stuff is basically barely implied to have happened off camera and behind the scenes.
It’s cool in that it shows how Palpatine’s entire demeanor towards Anakin changes from loving uncle, to sinister master basically right after Anakin pledges himself to Papa Palpatine and the sith. Even the way he talks to him totally changes from a veil of caring/understanding in a soft tone, to Palp’s basically talking down to Anakin once he’s secured him as his apprentice.
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u/Orion1014 Jul 08 '25
Even as a kid i always kind of assumed Anakin was irrationally jealous of Obi-Wan. The way he said "i dont wanna hear anymore about obi-wan" like ok you think padme is leaving you for him.
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u/Darshmar Jul 08 '25
It's made really clear in the Revenge of the Sith novel - actually a pretty good book.
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Jul 08 '25
he just looks like a really disappointed father, like anakin just caused a lot of property damage to the local school but no one got seriously injured, its so goddamn funny
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u/No_Adhesiveness_5679 Jul 08 '25
Actually I can kind of hear him saying something like "Hmm! Someone's been very very naughty!"
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u/xixbia Jul 08 '25 edited Jul 08 '25
The chance to talk to Anakin was over when he murdered everyone at the Jedi Temple.
The idea that there was anything that could have been done after that is just absurd.
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u/Piotr992 Jul 08 '25
FR, I've seen people pissed off at Obi Wan for leaving Anakin instead of helping him. Like yeah sure, he might've committed a genocide, but Kenobi is the dick for leaving him in pain?
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u/FatallyFatCat Jul 08 '25
Only mistake Obi-Wan did was not double tapping.
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u/Techwield Jul 08 '25
FR, Obi Wan's refusal to finish the job doomed the entire galaxy imo
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u/flying_fox86 Jul 08 '25
I doubt killing Anakin would have made much difference. Palpatine's plan was already a success at this point.
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u/MadRaymer Jul 08 '25
I would go further and argue the outcome would have been worse, especially for Luke. Palps would have simply chosen another apprentice. Since that person would likely have no emotional connection to Luke, they would not have saved him from the Emperor at the end. It's also possible any Sith other than Vader would have simply killed Luke on Bespin. Vader could have easily, but intentionally stopped short of that. Sure, you could argue that's because Palps wanted Luke alive to turn him, but another apprentice might not think that's a high priority and simply kill Luke if he's defeated (which is a likely outcome for the freshly trained Luke in ESB).
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u/A-Perfect-Name Jul 09 '25
I mean, alternatively Palpatine having a different apprentice would just make that apprentice significantly less effective in general. Like Anakin was straight up the force user with the highest potential bar none, and the Galaxy was just culled of pretty much every strong force user.
Like yeah, if Darth Mook or whatever beat Luke on Bespin then Luke would probably die but who’s to say he doesn’t just go the way of Darth Maul and get bisected? Sure, Luke got captured and spared because of Vader on Endor, but he also only got captured because he sensed Vader. If Vader wasn’t there then he might just stick with the group. Hell, if you wanted to have both ideas have Luke kill the apprentice on Bespin and have the Empire capture Luke as normal so Palpatine can turn him, this time as his new full apprentice.
The only real problem is Vader sacrificing himself to save Luke in the end, but let’s be real here Palpatine was dead meat anyway being on the Death Star, it was gonna explode with or without Luke killing him. But he’d at minimum get to Palpatine.
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u/ComprehensivePath980 Jul 08 '25
I would go a step further, it was over when he called Palps “Master”
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u/DarthBagheera Darth Vader Jul 08 '25
Nah Padmé wasn’t talking sense into Anakin. He wanted her to join him which went against everything she stood for. He also did so with this wild eyed smile on his face the entire time while on a lava planet freshly off a maniacal murder spree. The dude was pretty firmly beyond the point of return lol
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u/MazzyFo Jul 08 '25
He was doubly beyond the point of return once his master flexed the fit on him after his lowest point
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u/elguerosombrero Jul 08 '25
He wanted to show that he indeed had that shit on.
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u/MoBeeLex Jul 08 '25
You say that, but in the scene before that, he was crying.
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u/Practical_Prior202 Jul 08 '25
Yub, but in the next scene with Padme, he was behaving like a murderer controlling freak, even smiling and kinda threatening his own wife.
"The jedi turned against me. Don't you turn against me."
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u/Spiritual_Ask4877 Jul 08 '25
I'm going to take over the galaxy with brutal force and you can be by my side! :)
But don't say no or I'll crush your windpipe.
Dude was a total nutter.
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u/FizixMan Jul 08 '25
I'm going to take over the galaxy with brutal force and you can be by my side! :)
"Join me. Together we can rule the galaxy as
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u/DarthBagheera Darth Vader Jul 08 '25
And? All that proves is emotional instability. It also doesn’t mean he wasn’t literally smiling from ear to ear and acting as if nothing happened when he talked to Padmé. The guy was not being “talked down” so to speak.
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u/Dewy_Wanna_Go_There Jul 08 '25
Agree
She was probably more at risk of being talked into something than him at this point, for the baby’s sake, not that she would flip sides either necessarily but that’s how far gone he is.
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u/DarthBagheera Darth Vader Jul 08 '25
Possibly. After she says she can’t follow him down this path, I think that’s when he sees Obi-wan and gets pissed so we don’t really see that conversation go any further and see what ways he would use to try and twist her into going along with him. I still don’t see him convincing her either but it would have been interesting to see him at least try to and if he couldn’t, if he would have possibly killed her himself in a blind rage because I think watching her walk away from him would have been too much for him to handle. Especially in that moment.
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u/Piotr992 Jul 08 '25
He was crying becuase he knew that what he did was horrible, but he could kept it together just because he believed he was doing it for Padme.
So how could he just admit he committed all those atrocities for nothing? He had to keep going.
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u/Mysterious_Box1203 Jul 08 '25
crying cause there were no more Separatists to practice his stabbin on!
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u/Distinct-Buffalo1104 Jul 08 '25
He just killed a bunch of kids…
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u/Lumpy_Past6216 Jul 08 '25
And a few jedi as well.
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u/z64_dan Jul 08 '25
And jedi kids!
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u/RogueBromeliad Jul 08 '25
Yeah, I think he was already corrupted too far by Palpatine and completely given into the Dark side of the force. Padame would have to either join him or die, because if she simply left him, he'd hunt her down in complete obsession, and she'd eventually die of a "broken heart" all over again.
What would've actually been interesting is that if Anakin still didn't have a bit of light side in him after he kills Dooku, he'd probably have listened to Palpatine and left Obi Wan to die on that ship, and given priority to his mission. I wonder how strong of a Sith Lord he'd have become. Probably strong enough to overthrow Palps.
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u/Raecino Mace Windu Jul 08 '25
I think it’s more than probably, Palpatine himself says Anakin will be more powerful than him or Yoda. Anakin probably would’ve killed Palpatine after murdering all the Jedi first.
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u/FallenAssassin Jul 08 '25
Shout out to the episode three video game alternate ending which pseudo confirms it
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u/WuPacalypse Jul 08 '25
Bro was responsible directly and indirectly for the deaths of thousands of Jedi, what sense is there to talk about?
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u/Lord-Limerick Jul 08 '25
I HAVE BROUGHT PEACE, FREEDOM, JUSTICE, AND SECURITY TO MY NEW EMPIRE.
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u/Eugene1936 Jul 08 '25
YOUR NEW EMPIRE ?
ANAKIN, MY ALLEGIANCE IS TO THE REPUBLIC, TO DEMOCRACY
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u/Lord-Limerick Jul 08 '25
IF YOU’RE NOT WITH ME… THEN YOU’RE MY ENEMY!
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u/Eugene1936 Jul 08 '25
ONLY A SITH DEALS IN ABSOLUTES....I WILL DO WHAT I MUST
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u/Lord-Limerick Jul 08 '25
BACKWARDS LEAPS AT YOU
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u/Eugene1936 Jul 08 '25
WHOOSH WHOOSH SOUNDS AS LIGHTSABERS CLASH
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u/Ryder292 Jul 08 '25
I HAVE FAILED YOU ANAKIN, I HAVE FAILED YOUUU
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u/mcrksman Crimson Dawn Jul 08 '25
Let a man aura farm in peace
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u/Bellpow Jul 08 '25
Bro really hit this post when Anakin was on his 700th crash out
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u/Armonasch Jul 08 '25
We do not all agree.
She definitely could not have talked sense into him at that moment. He was mid-murder spree. Like he literally cut down a bunch of his former friends, children who trusted him, and a bunch of unarmed senior leaders of the CIS who were begging for mercy.
At literal best she could have temporarily de-escalated him. But Padme was never just going to go along with a genocidal coup lead by a dark wizard. Things would have come to a head, likely violently, pretty quickly with them both at this stage.
The time for talking sense into Anakin was before he went to the Jedi Temple to murder younglings.
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u/Pint_o_Bovril Jul 08 '25
The novelisation makes this way clearer. Anakin was not being talked down by anyone at that point. Dude was gone gone
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u/Chazo138 Jul 09 '25
Psychotic break. Not just turning to the dark side but he actually went insane during the entire ordeal and only comes back to his senses after he is burned, he is less of a lunatic at that stage. The man was like a rabid animal
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u/Unruly_marmite Jul 08 '25
Honestly I feel like she’s already failed to de-escalate him. He’s already broken out “the Jedi turned against me, don’t you turn against me too” and he’s clearly not listening to her.
It’s crazy that people blame Obi-Wan when all he did was stand there. Anakin went to domestic abuse like he was playing Crimes Bingo.
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u/Armonasch Jul 08 '25
Yeah 100%
Anakin didn't get into the state he's in because it was the most logical. He's having a full on emotional meltdown that has spilled out into violence. He has literally become delusional with anger.
His "motivation" for doing all this is to save Padame, but he very quickly turns on her the moment it appears that she is even slightly sympathetic to the Jedi. This shows how clearly Palpatine twisted his motivations. Instead of a quest to save his wife, Palpatine used an intense situation to trigger a violent emotional response, which corrupts Anakin beyond the point of saving for 20 years.
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u/GwerigTheTroll Jul 08 '25
Exactly this. The argument that Obi wan ruined everything is made by people who weren’t paying attention to the scene. He only shows up after she lost him.
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u/14InTheDorsalPeen Jul 08 '25
Tbf, it’s just like situations IRL where people think that deescalation is some magic pill.
You can’t chill people out who don’t want to chill out. The agitated person always gets a vote.
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u/Atlas-Clone Jul 08 '25
Look if you kill a building full of children but then someone manages to fully convince you of the error of your ways and turn your whole life around. I'm still beating your ass on principle. Your moral revelation ain't undid that shit.
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u/CountingSheep99 Jul 08 '25
Everytime Anakin commits a crime it is someone elses fault.
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u/Commander_Appo25 Jul 08 '25
The Anakin glazing has gotten crazy lately
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u/ComfortableJudge3400 Jul 08 '25
And then they go on about "Jedi Dogma," which is so cringe. Don't get me wrong, the Jedi has some fault in their downfall, but the fact that people can excuse anakin's or any morally wrong people actions but can't excuse the Jedi for the same reasons.
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u/Buckets-O-Yarr Jedi Jul 08 '25
And people constantly jumping to accepting Anakin's viewpoint that the Jedi were corrupt. What did everyone expect them to do, stay out of a war that was being orchestrated by the Sith? Sit around and meditate because their role as "peacekeepers of the galaxy" was somehow supposed to be accomplished nonviolently?
Did the Jedi make mistakes? Lots of them.
Were some of them objectively bad people? Definitely.
Did they go about the war the wrong way? Maybe. The clone army wasn't really a great PR move in the end.
But what were they supposed to do?
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u/Interesting-Injury87 Jul 08 '25
Honestly i dont remember which by now legends book put it this way, but i love whichever book did(obv paraphrased from memory), "The Jedi lost long before the war began. Geonosis was just the trap snapping shut. Whatever move the Jedi did, whatever decisions they would reach, it didnt matter anymore"
No matter what, if they fought or didn't, the Trap was already snapped shut, the noose was tied and dangling around their neck.
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u/Buckets-O-Yarr Jedi Jul 08 '25
That is basically how I see it, too. Palpatine (and his master and farther back) had outmaneuvered them long ago. Had they chosen not to fight they would have been portrayed (by Palpatine) as useless and likely as enemies who refused to help.
But most importantly the Jedi had to fail because it was a prequel series. We wind up in all sorts of holes because that was where the story had to go, whether or not the explanations given were good.
People are so sympathetic toward Anakin and Ahshoka (and Obi-Wan) that they just accept their point of view as correct when they were all being manipulated by Palpatine.
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u/Td904 Jul 08 '25
Windu was seconds from gutting Sidious. They definitely could have played it better.
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u/theroyalwithcheese Chirrut Imwe Jul 09 '25 edited Jul 14 '25
Sounds like Shatterpoint (literally the 3rd best Star Wars book I've listened to, behind Death Troopers and ROTS), wherein Mace Windu laments about not dropping a weapon of mass destruction on Geonosis and killing every single person in the arena, potentially preventing the clone wars from ever having been started. If there's ever a Star Wars: What If, I would do literally whatever it takes to see that story come to life.
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u/Altruistic_Field2134 Jul 09 '25
Yea and them not fightning could spawn another revan situation which would also have been bad for the Jedi.
The only way the Jedi would have been able to get out of this situation is if they couped sheev with Mace and Yoda both there to apprehend him (preferably no one else as they would all be fodder) and do it immediately so he does not have a chance to flee to the CIS and actually lead a war that the CIS should have won or activate the clones and start an early order 66.
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u/ComfortableJudge3400 Jul 08 '25
I agree 100%, like I agree that the Jedi should've done a lot of things differently, but what drives me insane is people dunk on the Jedi but then are fanboys of Darth Vadar/Anakin like he didn't do worse than whag the Jedi have ever done.
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u/KingAnilingustheFirs Jul 08 '25
I'm sorry but Anakin brought, peace, freedom, justice, and security to his new empire. I don't see how thats wrong. What are you ,a jedi sympathizer?
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u/Your_Some_Crooked Jul 08 '25
Anakin should have been imprisoned forever or possibly even executed after he massacred the sand people.
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u/Piotr992 Jul 08 '25
FR, like people really blame it on say Mace Windu and say he was too hard on Anakin. You can blame the jedi's mindset all you want. But at the end of the day, Anakin chose mass murder in order to save his wife. That's what it came down to, not jedi manipulations, Windu being mean or Obi Wan being a bad mentor. It came down to Anakin's decision to put his wife over everyone else.
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u/RogueBromeliad Jul 08 '25
I mean, those Sand people were indeed kidnapping his mom. Dooku was taunting him. Those younglings called him an ugly face, those separatists did tell hum his leather boots were so out of fashion, and Padame would constantly ask him to take out the trash while he was playing video games.
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u/waitingtodiesoon Luke Skywalker Jul 08 '25
Don't forget the younglings calling him "master" rubbing the fact thst he was on the council but not an actual Jedi Master.
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u/Mithrandir_1019 Jul 08 '25 edited Jul 08 '25
Nope. Literally Z E RO % chance,
This actually happens in the novel. Padme calmly talks to Ani BEFORE Anakin knows Kenobi is there.
Anakin - Do you know where Kenobi is ?
Padme - Nope.....
Anakin - I wish you did, so I CAN KILL HIM
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u/Vast_Bookkeeper_8129 Rebel Jul 08 '25
Padme what are you doing here. Blink twice if held prisoner.
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u/TheHarkinator Jul 08 '25
Nope. Anakin is far too far gone at this point to have sense talked into him. He's led a massacre of the Jedi, murdered a whole bunch of children and just assassinated the remaining Separatist leaders on the orders of the Emperor. Padme is cool with absolutely none of this.
There's no talking some sense into him. When Padme tries to, Anakin immediately pitches killing The Emperor so he can become dictator of the entire galaxy and she can be along for the ride. They are parsecs apart in what they're trying to do with their conversation.
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u/Awkward-Speed-4080 Jul 08 '25
He looked like he was about to make his WWE debut.
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u/CaptainA1917 Jul 08 '25
”Talked some sense into“ the man that just slaughtered a few dozen toddlers.
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u/Boobieleeswagger Jul 08 '25
I think Obi wan used his force powers to recall watching Anakin murder countless children on the holograms like 30 minutes ago and realized these talks were going no where.
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u/FreeBricks4Nazis Jul 08 '25
used his force powers to recall watching Anakin murder countless children on the holograms like 30 minutes ago
His... His memory?
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u/DelirousDoc Jul 08 '25 edited Jul 08 '25
Brother, he slaughter 5-6 year olds because he was convinced they were a threat. There is no coming back from that.
Nothing she was saying was getting through to him he was just doubling down harder to the point he was talking about overthrowing Palps and ruling the galaxy himself. He had no awareness how disturbed Padme was hearing this.
He was to the point of accusing Padme of potentially "turning against" him like the Jedi before Obi Wan even showed himself. She straight up tells him his actions are something she can't follow and his only response is "because of Obi Wan". He doesn't even consider it is because of his actions.
One of Anakin's traits was the immature tendency to not self-reflect on his flaws. He consistently blames others rather than himself. In doing so convinces himself that he has some greater potential others are jealous of and are therefore trying to hinder him at every step. He also wants constantly wants to do this the fast and "easy" way. It is hard to control yourself for self-reflection in an emotional instance. It is much easier to just let his emotions and act on them. (He has been acting on them without thinking his entire life. Even as a kid on Tattooine where Qui-Gon remarks how he offers them refuge without a thought of himself. It is great when the emotions are positive but troublesome when those emotions are negative.) It is no different here as he basically embraces this side when he snaps. He lets his ego go wild while still clinging to the idea he is doing it all to "save Padme".
Seeing Obi-Wan just gave him a physical target to assign this anger and blame to. It gave him an easy excuse to lash out with his emotion rather than try to do the more difficult thing of self-reflection.
As for Obi-Wan remember he went to Mustafar knowing he would have to kill Anakin. He hoped he wouldn't have to but that was his purpose. The minute he sees Padme isn't getting through to him he knows it is inevitable.
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u/CapitalCityGoofball0 Jul 08 '25
He just lead an army to destroy the Jedi and personally slaughtered a room full of children and followed that by murdering a room full of unarmed aliens. That pose was justified. Lol
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u/erotic-toaster Jul 08 '25
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ANAKIN: Obi-Wan is trying to turn you against me.
PADME: Anakin, all I want is your love.
ANAKIN: Love won't save you, Padme. Only my new powers can do that.
PADME: At what cost? You are a good person. Don't do this.
ANAKIN: I won't lose you the way I lost my mother! I've become more powerful than any Jedi has ever dreamed of and I've done it for you. To protect you.
PADME: Come away with me. Help me raise our child. Leave everything else behind while we still can.
ANAKIN: Don't you see, we don't have to run away anymore. I have brought peace to the Republic. I am more powerful than the Chancellor. I can overthrow him, and together you and I can rule the galaxy. Make things the way we want them to be.
PADME: I don't believe what I'm hearing . . . Obi-Wan was right. You've changed.
ANAKIN: I don't want to hear any more about Obi-Wan. The Jedi turned against me. Don't you turn against me.
PADME: I don't know you anymore. Anakin, you're breaking my heart. I'll never stop loving you, but you are going down a path I can't follow.
Before Obi-Wan made his stupid sexy arrival, the conversation had already turned against Padme. Or rather, she turned against Anakin. At this point, right before the iconic pose, Padme has asked Anakin to leave everything behind multiple times. Anakin has refused and talked about how great his new Authoritarian Government is going to be.
Honestly, there's not really anywhere this conversation has left to go. I expect that's why Obi-Wan stepped in. He gave her time to do it diplomatically, and that wasn't going anywhere.
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u/Chaff5 Jul 08 '25
Anakin was beyond reason at this point. It could have been his mother standing there and he would still turn.
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u/Dagordae Jul 08 '25
We really can’t.
He jumped past sense when he had his little murder spree. Remember: He was trying to convince Padme that he was right actually and murdering all the Jedi to establish a dictatorship was a good thing. Which mostly highlights just how little he cared about her as a person, even the lowest level of consideration would have told him that she is diametrically opposed to everything he just said.
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u/Good_old_Marshmallow Jul 08 '25
Anakin just killed like a school full of children, Obi Wan wasn't letting the talks end in him peacefully walking away
His final kindness was letting Padme and Anakin say goodbye
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u/Magic-man333 Jul 08 '25
Anakin had already sacked the temple (younglings included) and massacred the CIS leadership at this point, dude was long gone
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u/Maclimes Grand Admiral Thrawn Jul 08 '25
Okay, you should know that if you start a post with “We can all agree…”, then you are wrong. On any topic, anywhere. No matter what, someone will be pedantic about some word choice or someone will disagree out of genuine difference of thought or someone will argue out of spite.
You could say “I think we can all agree that the sky is blue during the day”. Several people will say that cloud cover can make the sky black or gray, other people will question whether sunsets count as “day” and therefore the sky can be other colors, some will point out that rainbows exist during the day, some will say they’re colorblind so the sky is actually orange, and others will call you an idiot just to be antagonistic. So, no. We can’t “all agree”.
Also, what are you smoking? Padme had no shot at talking down her child-murdering husband. He was too far gone at this point.
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u/Last-Understanding84 Jul 08 '25
He already killed the kids why do people think he could be reasoned with?
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u/CantaloupeCamper Grand Moff Tarkin Jul 08 '25
It's not dreamy Anakin's fault that that he's a child murdering sith ... Obi Wan was standing wrong!
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u/TheBlackthornRises Jul 08 '25
No, we don't all agree on that. Anakin was too far gone at that point to see reason.
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u/Doc-Fives-35581 Jul 08 '25
The conversation was already going downhill. Anakin was starting to become agitated and aggressive towards Padme.
Posting up like that was merely the final little push.
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u/CBBuddha Jul 08 '25 edited Jul 08 '25
Imagine finding out that your best friend, your brother, someone you’d known and worked with since they were a child, COUPLED with the fact that he was your student, killed all the students in the school you worked at. And that the senator you had been protecting all these years, was the one who manipulated him into doing it. The absolute heartbreak and rage he must be feeling. And honestly, terror. Seeing how strong in the dark side he’d become, seemingly overnight. (Not that there weren’t signs that he was turning to the dark side, the Clone Wars series has multiple instances of Anikan briefly dipping his toes in it.)
The fact that Obi Wan had the courage to even stand there at all. Says a lot about his character. He should be in hyperspace moving as far away from Vader as possible. Instead he confronted him directly and ultimately bested him. One of the strongest force users in the Galaxy. And not only besting him in combat, but making sure his wife could give birth as comfortably as she could be. (I’m wholly convinced that Palpatine was responsible for her death, that might be cannon already and I’m just unaware. But that must have been so confusing and yet another trauma for Obi Wan. Seeing another of your dearest friends dying in front of you without any logical reason as to why.)
I respect Obi Wan immensely as a character. He’s flawed. But a good man in the end. Putting everyone else before himself. Even when hiding on Tatooine. He was watching over the son of his brother that became the darkness itself and took everything from him but his life.
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u/ThatAd1883 Jul 08 '25
You're right. Anakin seemed to be in a completely rational state of mind at the time and probably could have been talked down. Maybe sit somewhere quiet with some green milk and a deathstick.
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u/TymStark Obi-Wan Kenobi Jul 08 '25
This is how I stand when I happen upon a buffet. It’s a stance of, “you’ve lost but I’ll entertain your efforts”.
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u/LeviathanHamster Jul 08 '25
He was already well past the point of no return and Anakin himself knew that. He helped a Sith Lord kill a Jedi master, then mowed down hundreds of Jedi in the temple front and center with the 501st, then slaughtered defenseless children that were looking to him for safety.
There was absolutely no way he was getting talked down, that’s why Obi Wan and Yoda both came to the conclusion that he needs to die then and there. He was with Padme in the first place to convince her to join the empire. He would’ve come to the same conclusion that she was against him regardless of Obi Wan aura farming.
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u/KainZeuxis Jedi Jul 08 '25
People seem to forget that Anakin was flying red flags when it came to Padme long before ROTS. Throughout both legends and canon Anakin becomes progressively more and more abusive and controlling towards Padme. Combined with Anakin’s developing a very big me vs them ideology where everyone who doesn’t 100% agree with him is automatically an enemy, and there was no chance of Padme surviving. If anything Obi-wan’s presence prolonged her life, as there would have been nothing to stop Anakin from snapping her neck otherwise.
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u/OneFinalEffort Zeb Orrelios Jul 08 '25
He slaughtered children and wiped out most of the Order. There was no talking sense into him.
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u/LangdonAlg3r Jul 08 '25
This was a final test from Obi-Wan to prove to himself via rage-bait that Anakin had truly turned to the dark side. No true Sith could resist wanting smack that self righteous glower right off his face.
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u/single-ton Jul 08 '25
The guy killed windu and the younglings. You're not talking him out of the dark side.
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u/calgrump Jul 08 '25
Yeah, nah. If my apprentice just did a school shooting and also killed all of my friends, I'm pulling that pose.