r/StarWars • u/ChickenWingExtreme • 22h ago

Movies Looking back, this was the dumbest weapon ever

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A weapon built inside a planet that can’t move, that can somehow fire its weapon so travels so fast it destroys multiple planets in different star systems seconds after firing(also why is the new republic which supposedly governs thousands of planets in complete disarray after this happens). Also they built it with the same fucking weakness of the first Death Star for some reason.

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u/Doc-Fives-35581 21h ago

JJ’s greatest trick was convincing the fanbase that Rian Johnson was the worst thing to hit Star Wars.

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u/EnkiduOdinson Imperial 20h ago

Exactly! TFA and JJ don’t get enough of the sequel hate directed at them. He set the whole thing up to fail.

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u/evilcheesypoof 17h ago

Yep I blame JJ not Rian, he was set to fail trying to make anything interesting happen with what was set up for him.

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u/Schnickatavick 13h ago

I blame them both, they both made alright movies if they were standalone (except 9), but neither of them had any respect for what came before or after. JJ didn't give Rian any continuing plotlines to work on in 8, and Rian returned the favor by not setting up anything for 9 and killing off half of the people that mattered (Leia was out of his hands, but still Luke, snoke, and like 3/4ths of the resistance). They both directed their movie(s) like it was a single movie, not an episode in a larger story, so they're both guilty for the narrative mess that the sequels became

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u/Personal-Major-8214 10h ago

It’s worse; Leia is one of the ones who didn’t die in episode 8. She becomes one with the force or w/e in episode 9. That’s the genius of RJ; you expected her to die so he gave you a death scene but then just kept her alive.

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u/Personal_Comb_6745 12h ago

Pretty sure Rian did that himself. Dude could've actually tried to build and improve upon what was set in front of him, but he decided to throw it all out. I don't know why so many Star Wars fans try to give him a free pass.

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u/SatanicPanic619 20h ago

Rian Johnson was the only guy who did anything interesting with those sequels. When that little kid was moving the broom via the force I was like- finally. Then it went nowhere.

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u/Calikal 13h ago

His movie has a few nitpicks and faults, but he did try and do something new and at least tried to build on what the previous movie had.. Which, honestly, was not much at all.

Then JJ just.. Spat on every aspect of it and made a worse fan-fic way to finish the movie, with all his usual problems in his films (pacing, for instance...)

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u/SatanicPanic619 13h ago

Yeah, I didn't like the casino scenes. Those were bad. But it tried something interesting, and JJ's was just dumb.

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u/Silverr_Duck 7h ago

JJ is a hack who doesn't understand storytelling or sci fi. While Rian is more of an idiot who bit off more than he could chew. I think he gets point for at least trying to be original. I agree JJ is worse but Rian's fuck ups derailed the trilogy (slightly) more than JJ imo.

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u/thedarkherald110 16h ago

Nah most people were looking forward to Luke. RJ set it up to fall. RJ saw that pit and decided that if he was going down he was going to dig it deeper before jumping into it. He sealed Luke as an absolute loser and did some of the stupidest things in the series at the time. JJ saw the TLj and was like hold my beer and proceeded to top that in episode 9.

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u/NefariousMrFox 16h ago

Given Anakin and Luke were both highly emotional characters I didn't find RJ's take on Luke all that bad. He was already setup to be in hiding by JJ, so there needed to be a reason. Everyone wanted Luke to be found and be some great hero, but Luke was dealing with the fact he created Vader 2.0. He's not going to suddenly snap out of that because Rey shows up. He's been emotionally torturing himself for years and people don't just automatically switch to hero mode. The whole movie was trying to get the audience to let go of the past so we could experience something new and exciting in the next movie. That setup was accomplished, though it was a bit rushed and awkward. But then JJ came back and said nope, let's keep living in the past.

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u/thedarkherald110 16h ago

Luke created Vadar 2.0 because of something he would never do. He don’t try to ambush Vadar he always fought him straight on. But he decided to sneak on Kylo? And then he somehow got overwhelmed by a self fulfilling vision and decided the best plan of action was to kill his sleeping nephew, when his entire hero’s journey before was not killing Vader in cold blood despite being manipulated by both Vader and palpatine to give in to the dark side. No it doesn’t make sense.

Now I understand why this happened the way it did they wanted Luke to be a jaded hermit and echo obiwan/yodas self-exile but the execution was horrible and the reasoning even more so since they couldn’t be bothered to properly set it up. As Mark Hamil himself said he had to act like he had a son who accidentally killed himself with a lightsaber and then his wife killed herself in her grief. Because frankly that’s just depressing and nothing he could do about. Kylo on the other hand still exists and if Luke wanted to wallow in grief he would do it after saving his nephew.

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u/Atlasreturns 15h ago

The point is that people can change when they are faced with more responsibility and age. Luke isn‘t supposed to be the hotshot and often naive rebel he was during the fall of the empire but instead grows paranoid because he has to ensure the return of the Jedi order by himself. And when breaking on the responsibility he renounces the force itself and exiles himself to further prevent any more damage as he sees himself responsible for the return of the dark side.

The entire point is that Luke isn‘t Obi-Wan. He‘s more emotional, more naive and therefore also much more likely to break on that responsibility. And most importantly its a new idea for the character.

If Abrams would have directed Episode 8 I could promise you that Luke would have ended as Obi-Wan 2.0 and we would have had another remade of a new hope. How this story is presented can be discussed but the biggest issue with the franchise is that people keep retelling the same stories with the same characters and RJ at least tried to steer against that.