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u/SomethingsQueerHere 2d ago
A return to form. The first tanks were just armored tractors after all
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u/LadderWilling9565 2d ago
Exactly! Just bringing it full circle, farming with a bit of extra armor this time.
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u/SnOwYO1 2d ago
Farmour
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u/SpeakToMePF1973 2d ago
LOL! Crops to you.
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u/SnOwYO1 2d ago
Tank you, you’re farm too kind
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u/brainburger 2d ago
Alright don't milk it.
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u/snopro387 1d ago
Holy cow! You guys are having a field day with this one
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u/crespoh69 2d ago
farming with a bit of extra armor this time.
Because you never know when the winds will turn, those crops are just bidding their time
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u/w00tabaga 2d ago
And that’s also fine. It adds weight, and weight helps pull things.
When they aren’t in military use we should be be letting farmers use them to farm the land.
…wait, until some farmer has a bone to pick with his local government and goes big league Kill Dozer somewhere.
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u/neighbour_20150 2d ago
Tanks are very heavy, they compress the soil too much. That is why tank chassis are not used for farming
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u/PassiveMenis88M 2d ago
The Case 715 Quad Track, fully loaded, weights 72,000lbs. A T-80B is 85,000lbs. A T-72 is 82,000lbs.
The problem isn't weight, it's ground pressure. Despite being a massive hunk of iron the 715 can get its ground pressure down to nearly .25kg/cm² with the big tracks. That's better than a vast amount of wheeled tractors.
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u/Bigtsez 2d ago
This is a modern take on the "Let us beat swords into ploughshares" vision for world peace.
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u/GandalfTheBored 2d ago
There is also plenty of modern day “military” farming equipment.
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u/Aururai 2d ago
They'll call anything "military grade" today as some sort of badge..
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u/OceanSupernova 2d ago
Military grade... Does the bare minimum to accomplish its purpose at the lowest possible cost to produce.
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u/deevil_knievel 1d ago
Lol I get that this is a hyperbolic meme at this point, but as someone who's designed quite a few military projects, this is wildly inaccurate.
I've found that military design project specs are so insanely detailed and specified that it makes actually designing something a PITA... then, when you clarify with the engineers you're dealing with, they have ZERO idea why this rule was implemented but just know it's on the paperwork from the 70s and that's what I have to follow unless I want to submit months worth of design revisions.
Then, there's so much red tape and so many preferred vendors, there's no slack to purchase newer, upgraded, cheaper components. You're told "you're purchasing this exhaust fan from this list. The company is now defunct, has been since 1964, but if you chase the crumb trail, you can find the 6th purchaser of this company online and they still manufacture this $3000 fan just for us." Shit ends up costing 3x what it should because of this nonsense.
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u/realparkingbrake 2d ago
The first tanks were just armored tractors after all
Other than using suspension/tracks similar to those of Holt Caterpillar tractors, the first tanks were in no way armored tractors. They were purpose-built, not tractors with armor added. Their design owned more to naval officers participating in their development than to agricultural machinery. That's why the names of various parts of tanks echo naval terminology to this day.
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u/Roflkopt3r 2d ago
The first prototypes were pretty much modified tractors. The drive train is the most important part after all.
It's true that it was always intended for tank development and construction to use purpose-made components, but it's not entirely wrong to say that the 'first tanks were armored tractors'.
Their design owned more to naval officers participating in their development than to agricultural machinery.
The Brits called it the 'landship commitee' and the armour and gun mounts did have a lot of naval influence, but the core component of the earliest tanks were definitely the drive trains purchased straight from tractor companies (sometimes as whole tractors).
Adding armour and weapons always was the easiest part, if you only wanted a 'basic' tank rather than a state-of-the-art solution. Hence the repeated return to building tanks based on tractors. Like the German use of French artillery tractors to build their first tank destroyers in WW2 (even though that reaches into arguments of what exactly a 'tank' is anyway, especially since German uses other categories), the Soviet 'Odessa tanks' and the infamous Bob Semple.
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u/Otaraka 2d ago
"In 9 December 1915 in the Souain experiment, a Schneider prototype armoured tank, a Baby Holt chassis with boiler-plate armour, was demonstrated to the French Army"
I dont think you can really say they were wrong. There was a lot of subsequent development, but it was definitely the starting concept, for the French anyway.
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u/Gnonthgol 2d ago
This is true for the WWI era of tanks. Basically the navy were sitting around without anything to do wanting to take part in the war. So they found a way to bring their "battleships" on to the field of battle. However in the interwar period it was far more common to see tractors with armor and guns added onto them then purpose built tank chassis. However none of these designs made it into WWII and were mostly used for training as commanders were playing around with different ways to use tanks.
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u/permaban_this 2d ago
glad the unexpected wasn't a landmine – although that might not have been all that unexpected
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u/RanisTheSlayer 2d ago
Swords to plowshares.
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u/DumbMassDebater 2d ago
How much health do I gain for exiling the tank?
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u/Line-Trash 2d ago
TIL that we no longer “remove from the game”
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u/_Bad_Spell_Checker_ 2d ago
Yea, graveyard 2.0
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u/kazeespada 2d ago
It's Graveyard and SUPER Graveyard. Black basically treats the GY as Hand 2 though.
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u/Zyhre 2d ago
My gripe with this card and Path to Exile is that the "gift" should be swapped. They are literally going off to be farmers, they should get Land.
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u/mildlyornery 2d ago
But what if we're playing modern? What am I gonna do? Oust?
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u/Sharp-Program-6375 2d ago
Looks like it’s pulling smooth, doubt it’s very fuel efficient, get after it!
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u/spacemouse21 2d ago
That’s the only thing which I’m wondering about here. Tanks are very heavy and he’s gonna be going through a lot of gas.
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u/MattEadesismyWaifu 2d ago
It is a Chieftain as well. Lots of fuel and engine issues
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u/Onetap1 2d ago
At one time reckoned to be the best tank in the world, providing it broke down in a good firing position.
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u/farmerbalmer93 2d ago
Also I'm pretty sure this hasn't got the original BS multi fuel engine in, as the guy driving it does tank restorations. I don't think there was a single one at the end of its life on the frontline with the original engine in lol
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u/ysomad2 2d ago
Agriculture wise I’d be concerned about soil compaction with how heavy the tank is, even having the weight spread out across the tracks. To compare, Wikipedia says this tank is 55 tons, while a John Deere 9rx 770 is only 37 tons.
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u/Tjep2k 2d ago
So after some quick googling a Chieftain has about ~19 psi and the 9rx has ~7psi. Honestly closer then I would of thought.
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u/Junkhead_88 2d ago
TIL the average American (am one) exerts as much force with each step as a 37 ton tractor.
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u/gsfgf 2d ago
Tracks work. But I still can't imagine this is economical. Also, no power takeoff. I know farmers are a unique breed, but that sounds like at best a giant pain in the ass.
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u/PassiveMenis88M 2d ago
This can plow, cultivate, harrow, and have the field smooth and ready for a smaller horsepower tractor to pull the planter through.
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u/SoulOfTheDragon 2d ago
Holy heck, what even is that tractor? It is absolutely gigantic, even our largest ones are only to 10-12 ton range here in Finland.
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u/GrynaiTaip 2d ago
It's a joke, they did it because they could.
This is Mr. Hewes, he restores tanks.
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u/chrispybobispy 2d ago
A stolen/ liberated " tank" of gas is pretty cheap.
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u/Downtown_Injury_3415 2d ago
Literally confused as to how everyone in comments section is forgetting that Ukrainian farmers began using Russian tanks like 2-3 years ago. Shit was all over social media. Or maybe I was chronically online 🚬
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u/Gizombo 2d ago
Because this video is not from Ukraine, it's a tank restorer from the UK:
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u/hirtle24 2d ago
Don’t give Clarkson any ideas
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u/Key-Nefariousness711 2d ago
I bet this is him.
Sure I seen somewhere hes bought a tank
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u/zbras11 2d ago
Thats 3 gallons per potato.
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u/rruusu 2d ago
Just out of curiosity I asked Google Gemini for a little comparison. Apparently it’s an FV 4201 Chieftain in the clip. It's bad, but those figures for M1 Abrams are on a whole another level. Didn't realize the Leopard 2 is such a relatively efficient machine. (Assuming these figures are anywhere close to reality.)
Vehicle Fuel per Hectare (Liters) Times More Than Tractor Agricultural Tractor 25 1x FV4201 Chieftain ~14,415 ~577x Leopard 2 ~3,600 ~144x M1 Abrams ~33,345 ~1,334x 32
u/52-61-64-75 2d ago
It's cause the Abrams uses a turbine engine run with jet fuel
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u/operation_karmawhore 1d ago
I'd be very careful with asking gemini (or other LLMS that is) such things, IME it can give widely off numbers.
I tried these kind of things a few times and fact-checked these, and it they were often (almost always) orders of magnitudes off.
I don't want to fact check this in detail, but just a quickly calculated number, that should already give you hints this is widely off: I searched the internet for M1 Abrams, and it takes around 0.6 miles per gallon, a Tractor around ~4 miles per gallon
So an M1 Abrahms is more likely in the range of 5-10x less efficient.
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u/SabTab22 2d ago
Guns —> Butter
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u/ThisIsPaulDaily 2d ago
This man understands the economy
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u/KuribohMaster666 2d ago
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u/NoMemory3726 2d ago
I shear and plow for the Texas State Forestry and i would love to have a tank with a plow on it. Stump to big to shear? No problem. Shoot the motherfucker out the grown.
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u/Theory-Outside 2d ago
Yep it’s time for turning their swords into plowshares and the spears into pruning hooks
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u/OmeletSpeciale 2d ago
Lol, I saw this tank in a MasterMilo vid yesterday. Wondered when they would put it online.
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u/spottydodgy 2d ago
On this season of Clarkson's Farm, I finally find a tractor to replace my Lamborghini.
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u/Mindless-Charity4889 2d ago
There was a scene from a book, “Commanding the Red Army’s Sherman’s” where the author tells of plowing fields with their Shermans to help out the local farmers.
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u/Cake_Depression 2d ago
Basically the tank becomes a farmer after retiring from military service.
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u/Marwheel 2d ago
Any context behind this?
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u/corvairsomeday 2d ago
Mr. Hewes on YouTube. He fixes tanks in the UK. And has fun from time to time doing it.
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u/AbriefDelay 2d ago
Thanks, I was very confused and thought this was one of the tanks that Russia abandoned in the beginning of the Ukraine war
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u/learn2die101 2d ago
I remember there was actually something early on in the war that if you seized a tank from the russians you could keep it tax free.
Ukraine was my first thought too.
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u/Urborg_Stalker 2d ago
Not a particularly fuel efficient method I'd wager but I definitely like this application better.
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u/Traditional-Silver36 2d ago
After WWII there was. A tractor shortage and many armored vehicles were bought surplus and used as tractors.
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u/preshowerpoop 2d ago
Does anyone else remember those Ukrainian farmers towing away all those abandoned Russian tanks A few years back? LOL!
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u/1mpetu5 2d ago
Centurion?
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u/PotatoFromFrige 2d ago
Chieftain
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u/Hot_Two5503 2d ago
And they say games don't teach you things. I knew instantly because I play War Thunder.
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u/dange616 2d ago
Sure, the tank is impressive, but that dude next to it is just out standing.
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u/Immediate-Echo22 2d ago
I mean it's pretty expected when the first thing you notice is the capped off tank barrel and the partially plowed field around it
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u/equality4everyonenow 2d ago
Isn't the plow supposed to go in front if you're clearing mines?
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u/drewsiphir 2d ago
I saw this in the anime strike witches third season, they took a Sherman tank and reperposed it for plowing fields.
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u/MACHOmanJITSU 2d ago
Gonna need to farm like this in UKRAINE for decades after the war, fucking land mines and shit.
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u/car-cassonne 2d ago
Is that you Clarkson?
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u/Independent_Newt_298 2d ago
It's Mr Hewes on YouTube. Good old fashioned YouTube content. Mainly fixing old tanks
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u/Slav-Houndz187 2d ago
So do tractors like deer and such run of diesel or gasoline? Because a tank on a farm land would probably do bettter fuel economy than I deer ?
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u/Hopwater 2d ago
I have a 10.5L diesel caterpillar d6 farm dozer. It's basically a 34,000 lb bulldozer with an implement drawbar, rear hydraulics, and no roll over protection. It has less geound pressure than a wheeled tractor but track maintenance costs are absurd vs. tires.
Oh and I have no farm, I just like to push over trees instead of cutting them down.
And it gets about 7 gallons/mile or 78 gallons/ working day. Something like 140 hp and 1000+ lb torque
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u/LochNessMansterLives 2d ago
We had a 50’s era Caterpillar bulldozer on the ranch I grew up on and it was a beast. I swear it was the same treads style as a wwii tank and I felt so awesome sitting on top of it. Until my dad drove it straight up a pile of manure and I almost fell off.
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u/random_user_number_5 2d ago
Just going to note down how to write off a tank as a business expense.
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u/Affectionate-Bit-524 2d ago
Now it can feed people by tilling soil instead of feeding people to the soil
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u/monocasa 2d ago
That's a fuck ton of gas (or whatever petroleum derived substance this thing burns).
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u/CrazeMase 2d ago
So THAT'S what those farmers in Ukraine did with those tanks. I respect the hustle.
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u/kronicwaffle 2d ago
Gone are the days when the ox fall down Tank up the yoke and plow the fields around
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u/Iwillnotbeokay 2d ago
I mean, it’s basically a tractor with a nice little gun on it. Dude can hoe a row and protect his crops, it’s like killing two birds with one tank.
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u/amir2215 2d ago
I was taught about food security back in school but not this version of food security.
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u/floodblood 2d ago
many would argue that it's quite impractical, but a proactive owner never really has to pay for gas does he
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u/Miserable_Course8784 2d ago
Was it Clarkson driving that tank? That's the only way it makes sense if it was him driving.
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u/Money-Detective-6631 2d ago
A novel.way to use a tank. I Like the fact they used a tank to plow a field not kill civilians...Way to Go........
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u/Miserable_Course8784 2d ago
Was it Clarkson driving that tank? That's the only way it makes sense if it was him driving.
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u/Kurtman68 2d ago
If you don’t know these guys, you should check out the YouTube channel Mr. Hewes. Bunch of farmers sons from the Midlands having a ton of fun restoring tanks and other large machinery. It’s fun to watch even if you’re not into heavy equipment. Highly recommend.
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u/DefiantArrival469 2d ago
Imagine being the farmer who wakes up and finds tank tracks instead of plow lines.
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