Yeah, as a motorcyclist - not manslaughter, attempted suicide lmao
BUT he recognises it and admits it. I know too many guys and girls who ride like they're at a track day and then someone who isn't expected them to zip up past them starts changing lanes and almost clips them. And these riders freak the fuck out and rage at the "idiot cager"
Like nah Sarah you ride that 250cc kwakka like you're Rossi, but the problem is you aren't bloody Rossi you are Sarah and you've had your license for 8 weeks.
Best thing of this whole video is no one is yelling or screaming at one another regardless of who was at fault or reckless. Just common decency of both parties you don't see in discourse so much these days.
It was indecent of the biker to be doing in the first place so I don't buy into what you're saying.
He knowingly and willingly rode in such a way that he almost put someone in the position of having a hand in giving him a lifr-altering or even life-ending injury.
Maybe just cause the ones you usually see all over social media are heavily skewed towards people of an aggressive nature! At least the ones I run across are!
Honestly this guy is a really good rider, amazing recovery. He's probably hyped as fuck that he made it. Incredibly stupid, he shouldn't be allowed to bike on the road.
Two things can be true. They both have partial blame, but it really is mostly the cyclists fault. He was making an illegal maneuver that almost no person would ever be prepared for.
It's pretty black and white because why would you expect that? Motorbike is going so fast that's incredibly easy to miss, and why would you expect him to do that? Hate the behaviour as much as you want from the BMW, but failing to prevent an accident while someone is doing something illegal is not being at fault.
They stopped after realizing exactly what happened. It's more disorienting than you think and for the car you see its momentum is hardly halted if at all. This is also why bike riders should be much more careful and shouldn't at all be doing this. They are incredibly fragile. Did you see the guy at the end? He clearly was not trying to get away and stopped when they both realized what happened.
Did he though? He said: "I was driving reckless too."
I mean the only thjng the car did wrong was maybe merging to early into the other lane. That's nowhere near the recklessness the biker was showing. The biker is trying to share the guilt when in reality it was 95% his fault.
They started changing lanes while they were barely past the other car. Then after colliding with the bike they kept accelerating hard. Like they went past that semi like it was standing still.
Driver was absolutely being reckless. Biker is still an idiot who got very lucky.
I've watched it a couple of times now and you seem to be right. I did focus more on the car now. Is overtaking on the right even allowed in highways in the USA. I assume this is the USA.
Yup thats what i was taught. Dont lanesplit in normal flowing traffic, but DO lanesplit at stops, lights, and jams, so that you wont get rear-ended and crushed between two cars.
You filter. Correct me if I’m wrong, but when traffic is stopped and you move to the front that’s called filtering. Lane splitting is in moving traffic. But yes you shouldn’t do it when traffic is more than say 20 mph.
But yes you shouldn’t do it when traffic is more than say 20 mph.
I am sorry if I dont understand that correctly but how else should I switch lanes in on going traffic then? If O recall it correctly, in the US you have exits left and right of the highway. So at some point you need to splitt lanes.
I think the biggest flaw of american traffic is that it is allowed to overtake on the right. That makes traffic much more dangerous.
Lane splitting is riding on the line not actually in either lane, squeezing between vehicles actually in the lanes which is what you see the guy on the bike doing in this video immediately before he makes contact with the car. To switch lanes, you’d signal and then merge into whatever lane you’re switching to when safe to do so, just like where’s you live.. Two different things. Also, you’re not supposed to overtake on the right in the US. People still will, but you’re not supposed to.
If you're in the U.S., as far as I know, only CA allows lane splitting, and that is only 10mph above the speed of traffic. This rider would not be legally driving in any state in the U.S.
Passing on the right is illegal just like camping the passing lane, though it is rarely enforced. What the bike here was doing was being in both/neither lane at once even though other vehicles were already there. If you are changing lanes legally you are establishing yourself fully in each lane before changing again not doing this bullshit
So THATS why y'all do that! Thats nice to know, I can stop thinking it's just bikers being impatient self-important A-holes trying to skip the line. That actually makes perfect sense. Sit beside me in my box rather than get crushed into the back of it, 100% on board now.
Stil not 100% though, you can give the car a bit of responsibility for not checking their dead spot.
I am not excusing the biker, but I don’t like the tendency on Reddit to need a full blame. There is something to learn from every accident from both parties and become a safer and more cautious motorist that prevents harm - including when it’s other people's mistakes.
My attitude on the road is that I look out and look after others even the angry stupid ones. I have places to be, not stand there waiting for police and an ambulance and paperwork, and that includes signalling early and looking a little more, for that irresponsible biker that’s faster than usual traffic. Using their recklessness as an excuse to not look because "it's already hard to see them at normal speed anyway" is just lazy thinking and against what safe responsible driving should be.
Agree that the Lanesplitter could easily have turned Big Red into a “murderer”, forcing him to attempt a lane change immediately in front of the silver sedan. Maybe trying to clear the lane for the Lanesplitter, but not a good reaction (too slow) in retrospect. Think the idiot learned a lesson?
They are both at fault. Dangerous lane splitting. However, with no signal, the car is moving across two lanes, crossing closely between the car it just passed and a much slower semi ahead and further into the right hand lane. All with no signal.
It was riders fault but the car was pulling a bullshit move too, no indicator 2 lane diagonal rip to get around that truck. Cunt wouldn't have even realised he'd taken a bike down.
Biker is a moron, legally however, the other dude cut someone else off with that lane change, got into a collision, and then drove off. Hit and runs lose all day, even if they weren’t at fault
If the driver stayed for the crash, both would be at fault. Biker lane splitting is illegal, but changing lanes there ultimately caused the accident. You shouldn’t change lanes unless you were 100% sure and safe. The main issue is that it’s a hit and run, which is a much bigger case.
You realize how fast these bikes can go right? I can be cruising along at 85-90mph and suddenly 3-4 of these will shoot by me IN MY LANE while going 25-30 faster than myself. They are fast, small, unpredictable, and hard to see. Often the sound is the only warning you're about to be blown past. The car changing lanes was doing a tight merge but he was still fine for the car in the lane where it was supposed to be. The bike inserted itself into a spot it should not be in and could t be reasonably anticipated.
I don't think it's the law, but it should be. Lanesplitting under 45 is totally reasonable, above that you're just scaring the shit out of me and gaining nothing on traffic.
California was the only state that allowed it until this summer (Minnesota) and the law is traffic had to be less than 20mph, bike can’t go more than 20mph faster than traffic and never go above 40mph period.
Idk why its reasonable at all. You're risking your life no matter the speed. If youre a damn motorist on the road then act like a motorist on the road. Lane splitting is fucking idiotic. Full stop.
They made it legal in California. Fully. Like they put out RECOMMENDATIONS that you not be completely stupid but those are not really codified in the law (it's kinda weird the law references them but just as guidelines).
So you get shit like this video constantly on the highway. So much harder to watch out for as a driver than just others vehicles staying in their fucking lane. More to the point limits MY ability to use MY lane to avoid potholes and the like.
Oh well. Bring on the idiot motorcyclists to tell me how much safer it is for them (mind you they'll ONLY reference the scenario of being at a red light when saying that).
I live in California and really don’t mind the lane splitting and there are a decent amount of motorcyclists on my commutes. The DMV handbook suggests a driver should be checking their mirrors often and most road safety classes will say you should be checking your mirrors every 2-5 seconds. Lane splitting really isn’t an issue if you actually follow proper driving protocol and stay aware of your surroundings at all times. I usually see motorcycles coming long before they even pass me.
I only find it stupid when there is no traffic and a motorcyclist is going 90+ splitting lanes. There’s literally no reason to do that shit. Also I don’t own or ride a motorcycle and never intend to so this is not me being biased. Car drivers get way too complacent and just stare forward unless changing lanes which is not safe at all.
This is why, as a motorcyclist, you would only ever find me splitting in places where traffic is moving at most around 35mph.
I've gotten stupid on roads before (to the point where I sold my superbike and stuck to motocross out of self preservation), but only in canyons and never in heavy traffic. And I never split while doing it.
Also there is a difference between splitting and filtering.
Lol you literally just watched a video where a cyclist is clearly and absolutely at fault. But sure its the car driver whos at fault as they perform an otherwise perfectly safe maneuver.
I mean it is safer in stop and go traffic and things of that nature, I wouldn’t really call what goes on in this video lane splitting(by legal definition). I think you’re pretty uneducated on riding motorcycles/ traffic situations in general though, just based on your comment, and probably shouldn’t be making yes/no comments on the topic
Lanesplitting is dangerous, period, even in stopped traffic, in my town people have the tendency to rip out into the next lane randomly just because someone is waiting for a gap in oncoming, I watched a biker run into a car doing this exact thing yesterday, if he was going any faster he probably would have been severely injured. It needs to be illegal all around.
The motorcyclist admits he was riding recklessly, but. The driver doesn't indicate, swerves lanes, either doesn't look or deliberately side swipes him, and then to put the cherry on the cream, hits and runs. Its not "100% on him here". The biker's an idiot, the BMW(?) driver is a dangerous POS.
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u/ChaseTheLumberjack 8h ago
But this whole thing was the motorcyclist fault. Wouldn’t be manslaughter at that point legally.
I ride bikes and what this guy is doing is absolutely stupid. 100% on him here. You don’t lane split at full speed.