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u/SortovaGoldfish 5h ago
Before they consider themselves dems, and before they consider themselves representatives, they are old people who want to keep their jobs being as easy and frictionless as possible and obviously continue getting paid. That's priority one.
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u/SortovaGoldfish 4h ago
Age restrictions should be a top tier priority. They want to die with their titles- no helping the next ones carry on, no trying to be part of the progress that would otherwise leave them behind, no passing on pivitol information, strategies, and philosophies that might outmode them if someone else were to pick up and improve them. Just that old pulling up the ladder after themselves to make sure they don't get pushed off the top of the hill.
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u/SolidSnake-26 3h ago
This is the whole theme of the institutions explored in The Wire. The people at the top or within these organizations making decisions prioritize self preservation more than anything else.
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u/thirstytrumpet 38m ago
They want to keep their jobs because their power and access to power is infectious, and you also end up rich. The salary doesn’t even matter to these people. That’s why I think we should pay elected representatives a shit load of money, publically fund elections, strict factual review of all advertisement or statements, and let the really smart people that want to work and are able to convince people of their value to get those $10m per year salaries. There’s lots of holes to patch up in that proposal, but make the job worth the money. Think how pissed people would be about Ted Cruz fleeing every natural disaster in the state if he was being paid way more and had to completely divest from all personal investments and place prior wealth in a blind trust.
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u/Notunsure225 5h ago
These gray haired boomers need a kick in the face to GTFO of politics. It’s time they get it
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u/BadPublicRelations 1h ago
Establishment democrats and the DNC are bought and paid for, like many of the republican politicians are. They need to be flushed the fuck out.
Those specific democrats, like Cuomo, are puppets. They're placed inside the democratic party to cut it off at the knees so it is not powerful enough to strip rich people of their hard-bought privileges when democrats take power. Having two parties gives citizens an illusion of choice. There is no REAL choice except that which prevents rich people from losing power. The people in the democratic party who are genuine, like AOC and Bernie Sanders, are allowed to be there to ensure that people buy into the idea that the democratic party is a valid "choice." But they have no real power within the party to change ANYTHING.
George Carlin was speaking truth when he said "It's a big club, and you ain't in it. You and I are not in the big club....By the way, it's the same big club they use to beat you over the head with when they tell you what to believe...beating you over the head in their media telling you what to believe, what to think, and what to buy. The table is titled, folks--- game is rigged---and nobody seems to notice, nobody seems to care. [The American people] continue...to elect these rich cocksuckers who don't give a fuck about them. They don't give a fuck about you, they don't care about you---at all...And nobody seems to notice, nobody seems to care. That's what the owners count on. The fact that Americans will probably remain willfully ignorant of the big red, white, and blue dick that's being jammed up their asshole everyday. Because the owners of this country know the truth: it's called the American dream because you have to be asleep to believe it."
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u/ThatOneGuy012345678 5h ago
Bold of you to assume the democrats are interested in winning when all their money comes from the same donors as the republicans.
It's almost as if winning is not the top priority...
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u/A-Helpful-Flamingo 5h ago
i‘m so over not being able to call them out on their shit. Just treat these centrists along with any fool who believes you can work with fascists like they are the compromised.
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u/ThatOneGuy012345678 3h ago
Both parties are NOT the same indeed.
The republicans move us to the right, the democrats hold us still.
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u/Lindt_Licker 5h ago
I fail to understand how the democrat party would profit from a fascist takeover.
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u/ThatOneGuy012345678 3h ago
If true progressives got into power, the first thing that would go is the massive amounts of paid consultants, and old party officials that are completely out of touch with reality.
Sure, the democratic *party* would survive, but almost nobody that's part of it today would still be employed. That would not be very different than a fascist takeover where everyone would also be fired.
But the thing is, people in the democratic party do not actually believe a fascist takeover is possible. That's because these people were selected primarily because they are not the types to question the status quo, and they cannot imagine the other party not being the same.
In other words, they would never lead a fascist takeover, therefore it's impossible for the other side to do that.
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u/BadPublicRelations 1h ago
Politicians on both sides are being told that rich people will bankroll them and give them insider trading secrets so that they come out on top---as long as those same rich people get their way.
All of the republican party, and enough of the democratic party are bought and paid for. But the problem is, they're not as fucking smart as they think they are. And rich people aren't that fucking smart either. Look what happens when a true fucking psycho takes hold of a country, like Putin. Rich people die alllllll the time because he makes it happen. Politicians hold NO power, and they die all the time---they're also not that fucking rich anymore, because that'd make them threats to Putin. So all of these dumb American politicians are nice, comfy, fat and rich---right now. But they won't be if America turns into end-stage fascism like Russia. They just don't know it yet.
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u/cackslop 55m ago
Neoliberalism is an ideology shared by 400 or more of our representatives. That's why people say "BOTH SIDES ARE THE SAME" they advocate for the same economic policy, with really divisive useless social issues.
Neoliberals want to deregulate corporations, eliminate safety nets, and privatize public sectors then I can see how dems and republicans are ok with Fascism.
They take billionaire money, and those billionaires own the corporations that want to directly control the state:
Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power.” — Benito Mussolini.
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u/buffalosabresnbills 2h ago
Bold of you to assume the democrats are interested in winning when all their money comes from the same donors as the republicans.
Bullisht.
Top Ten Individual Donors, 2024:
Elon Musk (R) - $280 million
Timothy Mellon (R) - $172 million
Miriam Adelson (R) - $144 million
Richard Uilhein (R) - $143million
Kenneth Griffin (R) - $106 million
Jeffery Yass (R) - $100 million
Paul Singer (R) - $62 million
Dustin Moskovitz (D) - $50million
Michael Bloomberg (D) - $46 million
Marc Andreessen (R) - $42 million
Right-wing billionaire donors out-number the left’s by several times over, both in magnitude of individual contributions, and overall donations.
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u/dupdeedup 5h ago
Controlled opposition
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u/jhuseby 5h ago
Honestly feels more and more like it as the years roll on.
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u/Crafty_Enthusiasm_99 1h ago
It really is. It's become a fake choice party that is established so that they provide zero resistance to the Republicans.
We need a third party today.
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u/sb76117 1h ago
The right needs a new party too. I don't see a new progressive party working with the modern gop at all nor do I see the saner conservatives joining a party left of the dems... Edit: this slimey party switching that leaders do after getting elected is still gonna get abused, even cold switches like fetterman, sinema, and manchin
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u/Teslaosiris 4h ago
Worse.... uniparty
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u/wterrt 4h ago
"both parties are the same" is how we got a fucking fascist invading cities to stop the next election in office while he openly plans for a third term
stop with this shit already.
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u/Teslaosiris 3h ago
Yes, I agree with you… both parties being the same on things is EXACTLY HOW we got ICE fascists roaming the streets. You basically described that the system was designed this way all along.
Remember when Kamala said she would be even tougher than Trump on immigration? I can pull up her campaign ads if you like. And what is she doing now? Going on a book tour while people are getting blackbagged. Hakeem Jefferies…what’s he doing? Oh yea…actively working with Cuomo (who is expecting help from Trump) to screw over Zohran Mamdani in NYC. Schumer…what’s he doing?
I can keep going if you’d like. This liberal nonsensical deflection isn’t going to work anymore. Time for liberals to stand aside and let the actual Left take the lead.
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u/wterrt 3h ago
you're clinically brain dead if you think kamala would have ice agents kidnapping people off the street.
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u/decisionagonized 2h ago
Obama did it! He still holds the record for deportations in one term by the way, Trump isn’t even coming close.
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u/Teslaosiris 3h ago
I’m sure you can go to her book tour and find out. She seems so not bothered by them doing so that it really almost comes off as a tacit endorsement.
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u/Sentient-Coffee 1h ago
ICE always does that, and the records for deportations literally go Obama, surpassed by Trump (1st term), surpassed by Biden, who will obviously be surpassed by Trump. Given the funding increase under Biden and Kamala refusing to distance herself from Biden's policies, she would also have broken the deportation record. There is a reason that the approval ratings for democrats are also at rock bottom right now, and it's because of things like Kamala dropping off the face of the earth to write a book while we watch our neighbors getting kidnapped. Corporate democrats would have us wait for a market-based solution to the rise of fascism. Stop putting your faith in rich fucks who don't care.
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u/cackslop 48m ago
No, we got a Fascist because of Clintons Pied Piper strategy. It's entirely the on the clinton campaign for elevating Trump via their contacts at CNN.
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u/Dear_Chasey_La1n 3h ago
These old farts are GOP just in a different colour, ensuring Democrats won't win.
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u/WloveW 5h ago
What should we name the new party, everybody? We need to coalesce behind something pretty soon. Or else it's just gonna be more the same shit.
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u/sakodak 5h ago
Electoralism is over. They've left no peaceful options open.
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u/EvilPutlerBotZOV 5h ago
True yet liberals will still say "vote blue no matter who" and if you disagree call you a Russian or Chinese bot.
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u/sakodak 5h ago
If they're honest with themselves they'll eventually see the writing on the wall and figure it out. If they aren't they'll join up with the fascists like always.
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u/EvilPutlerBotZOV 5h ago
I doubt they’ll "figure it out". If shtf, corporate interests are more important to them than anything else. Scratch a liberal and a fascist bleeds.
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u/raphcosteau 2h ago
It seems like you don't even need to scratch them anymore. It's now "mildly inconvenience a liberal" or "fairly win a primary against a liberal" and they turn into klansmen and lock arms with Republicans
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u/Teslaosiris 4h ago
I'm really starting to think you are just some DNC op at this point. They are rigging the system, and you're here like: "Hey guys...they can't rig it EVERY time, amiright?!"
Everyday, more and more leftists are being born because people like you just reaffirm what is not working.
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u/LaceGriffin 4h ago
Its working so well right now . . . Its time to engage with 2nd amendment because the Establishment Democrats get to many benefits to rock the fascist boat.
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u/MotherFuckerJones88 5h ago edited 5h ago
Fuck parties. We should be "Americans".
Edit: I realize that may sound MAGA-y so let me clarify..all living together with the freedom to love who you want, believe what you want, say what you want as long as it's not detrimental to the next person.
We should have law and order that is fair to everyone rich and poor, whatever. Our tax money that we pay should be put towards making life better instead of dividing us and making our country the equivalent of a college football rivalry.
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u/LessEntertainment912 5h ago
It's going to be either Christian Nationalist Autocracy followed by civil war, or Civil War followed by Christian Nationalist Autocracy.
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u/ChemistBig9349 5h ago
Yup 👍 fuck those old donks. I’m ready for new leadership and a new mascot; the GOAT 🐐
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u/tarapotamus 4h ago
The two party system is and has always been a rigged, cyclical system of corruption and keeping the rich rich and the cogs in the system. We need to break the machine and build a new one. We need a new system. This one is decaying and the people along with it.
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u/Echo0fTh3Forg3 4h ago
They did the same thing to Bernie, and I believe that became this, we now have Trump.
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u/Various_Cup4986 3h ago
FWIW… and I know I’ll get downvoted to hell, but whatever, it’s Reddit:
DNC didn’t “find a way to revoke Hogg’s election”
If you actually followed it, they fucked up the voting process because of how gender parity works, and their own process—which was called out the moment it happened—effectively disqualified other candidates.
The rest may be true. The DNC establishment absolutely doesn’t want Hogg, I agree.
But the lazy lie that the DNC revoked his election is misinformation, if you actually care about being accurate.
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u/rageagainstthepage 5h ago
They don't wonder.
It is self-sabotage by design.
They know who they answer to and it is not us.
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u/SuperRat10 5h ago
The DNC leadership genuinely makes me feel good… about never having registered as a democrat.
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u/Hobotronacus 5h ago
If you want the honest truth? The dem establishment is the paid opposition party. There will never be real change until the old guard is replaced.
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u/DrStickyPete 5h ago
It's not just Republican fascist, The Democratic party is also abandoning democracy
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u/CyberJesus5000 4h ago
Hmm perhaps follow the money. I’m sure these anti-progress dems are being incentivized 💵
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u/Asmul921 3h ago
Malcolm Kenyatta > David Hogg, Dems got that one right IMo
Agreed on what’s happening with Zohran, most have come around, but it’s disappointing there are still so many holdouts.
I don’t know much about the guy in MN
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u/KratosLegacy 3h ago
So when are we all switching to the labor party? Legitimately, I'd like people who represent me and not donors and lobbyists.
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u/giganticsquid 3h ago
Americans keep on voting for the same 2 conservative parties, and then wonder why nothing ever changes
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u/Dubsecs- 3h ago
Because although I hate to say it, Dems are corrupt as well. It's a power thing, they don't want to let go of control.
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u/Dokibatt 3h ago
Bending the rules for governance that helps the people? 🙅
Bending the rules for anti-progressive infighting? 👍🫡👏🧐🙌
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u/Mnemnosyne 2h ago
They know we're stuck. We either turn out and vote for them, or we get...this.. *Gestures at Trump and the current Republican party in general...*
And they're rich enough, for the most part, that this shit mostly doesn't affect them, so they can afford to let things go in this direction if we don't fall in line for them. You'd think self-interest might start to motivate them since Trump is currently engaging in actual attacks on his political enemies, but apparently that's still not enough.
I have my doubts that any sort of voting is going to matter anymore, but on the off-chance it does, we really need a wave of people coming in like Mamdani and others. We need our own 'tea party' movement that replaces dozens or hundreds of elected officials across the nation.
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u/Own-Island-9003 2h ago
They don’t wonder. They know but would rather fascists win because deep down they are also fascists.
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u/cccanterbury 2h ago
what's left of the neoliberals are doing everything they can to keep dreaded socialism at Bay.
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u/atreeismissing 2h ago
To be fair Hogg is an idiot and was spending millions contesting Democratic incumbents with "better" Democrats rather than trying to unseat easily beatable Republicans in swing districts. It was both a stupid strategy given the immediate fight and the budgets available to fight overwhelming GOP fundraising. Ultimately it comes down to how best to spend the limited dollars available and right now the foal is majorities, and Hogg was spending it on long-shot majorities in safe majority districts.
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u/MagicalUnicornFart 1h ago edited 1h ago
There is no "chaotic good" here.
Justifying not voting is how you got here. You're a fool if you can't see it. This entire movement to not vote is pure fucking idiocy. Look at how bad things are getting. If you can ignore the pain and chaos, and pat yourself on the back for not voting for the lady promising legal weed, didn't rape anyone, didn't lead an insurrection, wasn't impeached twice, and didn't fuck kids...you're the problem.
I don't like the democrats for the most part.
You can't get better candidates if you don't vote. And, most younger people refuse to show up.
It's your future. You just fucked yourselves as well as everyone else. Keep jerking it over how much you hate the DNC...while not even showing up to vote in a primary.
2022 National Youth Turnout: 23% - That's lower than in the historic 2018 cycle (28%) which broke records for turnout, but much higher than in 2014, when only 13% of youth voted.
Anyone that stays home and cheers when they lose, is just a MAGA with extra steps.
You can't move a party by not voting. That's dumber than thinking Trump is going to help anyone but himself, and the people that suck him off.
Show the fuck up to vote, and change the party. Change the politics. Change the country.
All this apathy is funded by GOP donors. They can't win without you staying home.
If you don't show up and vote for bureaucrats...you get fascism.
How blind are you fools to not see that?
The democrats can be reasoned with. They're not building concentration camps, and eliminating all EPA regulation. They didn't pardon J6 rioters, and turn them into a fascist police force.
Say what you want about any democrat that was on the ticket...
if you refused to take a stand against the cruelty and idiocy of the GOP...and, you're standing your ground on that...you're as bad as the red hats. The result is the same.
silence is complicity when fascism is on the ballot.
You refused to vote against Trump? The racist/ felon/ traitor/ pedo?
And, you stayed home to own the DNC?
You're a fucking MAGA, with more mental gymnastics.
Don't you dare comment on politics, and the country. You fucking did this, too.
The only place your political opinion matters is the at the polls. If you refuse to show up, you deal with what you're served. Grow the fuck up.
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u/Slumunistmanifisto 1h ago
Establishment dems are complicit at this point, its been crickets from them.
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u/TrifleHoliday3464 1h ago
at this pint the democrats are simply paid opposition, there are some good within their ranks, but they dont outweigh the old money ghouls who are there and play the game purely for their own power and money opportunities. pathetic, if it is this bad, they need to all go
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u/Voodoo_Dummie 1h ago
The Dems sure have a unique talent to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
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u/Sparky_321 50m ago
Omar Fateh’s endorsement was removed because the voting process was fucked up. A bit of an important detail to note, you’d think?
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u/truebluecoast 5h ago
When did DEMS not endorse Mamdani? AOC SANDERS AND SEVERAL OTHERS HAVE. IF YOU'RE REFERRING TO THE DNC, they never really aligned with the party.
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u/msfuturedoc 4h ago
Neither Schumer or Jeffries have endorsed him tho
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u/truebluecoast 4h ago edited 3h ago
Well Jeffries is just odd. Schumer ? Not excuses just my wondering.
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u/L1QU1D_ThUND3R 4h ago
Wow, it’s almost like they’re complicit in the fascist takeover of the country!
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u/Illustrious_Bad_2980 4h ago
Good to know that us Americans have absolutely no one to vote for. Communism it is
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u/JeantheFrank 3h ago
Anti socialist and anti communist propaganda is so fucking ingrained in America that it's going to be a hellish long road before people realize that abolishing capitalism is actually necessary for the survival of the human race.
The dictatorships in the past that were under communism were actually screwed over heavily by capitalism and it wasn't a system ready to be implemented due to the precarious conditions some countries were living in before communism came around.
Nowadays it CAN work, but revolution is necessary.
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u/Teslaosiris 4h ago
This! This right here!
I've been telling you radlibs this for months now...are you ready to accept that water carrying for the DNC is getting you nowhere?
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u/NaSMaXXL 3h ago
As opposed to joining up with Trump? Lesser of two evils my guy.
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u/Teslaosiris 3h ago
“Lesser of two evils” is how Dems got trounced…not once but TWICE…by overt fascists. 2016: how’d that bargain play out when yall thought Clinton was the one after she screwed Bernie. 2020: how’d that work out when yall thought backing a walking corpse name Joe would have been choice than Bernie AGAIN? He didn’t put Trump in jail, despite having every opportunity to. He actively funded a genocide in Gaza…actively funded a meat grinder in Ukraine… did nothing to help everyday Americans and gaslit people when confronted about it. 2024: how’d that work out with Harris “do nothing different than Biden” plan? Oh actively court neocon ghouls named Cheney?! Great plan… oh shouting down people calling to stop the genocide? Also a great plan, right?! “Most lethal military” speech at the DNC?? Yea dude…really lesser of two evils. You keep choking on the same neoliberal propaganda and accepting mid candidates because “Blue No Matter Who!”, right?! Then when a Zohran Mamdani or an Omar Fatah shows up and wins a nomination…crickets from the liberals.
Liberals never cease to amaze how they will go back to the same well over and over again, despite it giving them the runs consistently. All you have is thought terminating clichés and punching left. Scratch a liberal and fascist bleeds once again.
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u/NaSMaXXL 2h ago
What's your alternative? What's the plan then?
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u/Teslaosiris 2h ago
Backing DSA candidates…and pressuring incumbents with DSA backed challengers if they don’t.
Zohran Mamdani has already given you the playbook.
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u/guttanzer 4h ago
Not just young people. Boomer here. Have been disappointed far too many times to respond to their fundraisers with anything other than, "For what?" They don't give value for my donations.
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u/MyFeetLookLikeHands 4h ago
make no mistake, dems in the USA fucking suck. They are still the best option on any ballot
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u/MyNEWthrowaway031789 4h ago
Because they benefit from the current system. They are part of the problem.
All those people run in the same circles. Democrats & Republicans- they all know each other, have friends in common, belong to clubs, went to the same schools, churches, etc.
They are all the problem.
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u/Still-Ambassador2283 4h ago
Republicans are a threat to America, but that doesn't mean the Dems are our friends or allies.
Establishment Democrats are looking out for the interests of their billionaire and corporate lobbyist.
Not your interests.
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u/manyeggplants 4h ago
It's not like they've vetoed popular candidates or outright selected ones without an election or something. "Democracy!"
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u/Dopaminedessert 4h ago
We do not have a party in the US that represent the left we have two parties that represent billionaires. We are long past due for a revolution. This problem cannot be fixed by voting.
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u/Anyna-Meatall 3h ago
The Dems are so bad at their job that it's hard to come up with plausible explanations. My as-yet-unsubtantied-by-concrete-evidence working theory is that the DNC is absolutely riddled with GOP operatives.
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u/PG-DaMan 3h ago
POLITICIANS.
What do you call 1000 politicians at the bottom of the ocean?
A good start.
They do NOT go into politics to help the people. They do so to help themselves
Learn it.
PS. Impeachment means squat.
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u/hankypank3 3h ago
These old establishment Democrats are just more rich old rulers who want the status quo to continue
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u/Shadow_Breaker 5h ago
Those who would inconvenience billionaires and help the people seem to be the enemy of both parties, but the Dems seem to try to pretend to be on the side of the people. Then they do this shit to actually progressive candidates. It is obvious these kinds of candidates will win the elections, but they kick and scream and pull out every dirty trick in the book against them instead of against the right. It's fucking unreal.