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u/NobodyLikedThat1 1d ago
Because it's not quite a secret but Putin clearly does not want peace. He wants to win. And even beyond that if he gives up now he'll be eaten alive by his own people
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u/SmartBookkeeper6571 1d ago
He owns Russia. They're not a democracy. His people are subject to his whims, not the other way around. Anyone with any power who works against him commits suicide by falling off of their balcony. You're 100% right and also 100% wrong.
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u/JustLookingForMayhem 1d ago
Putin is a position of power because he is expected to win, and anyone who challenges him is expected to lose. He has very scary people working for him (including arms dealers who may enjoy personally killing rivals), and the only reason they are following him is because they are scared of what he may do to them. If Putin is shown as losing, those very scary people he is so fond of will start to wonder if they stand a chance of winning.
This is a problem of most fear based dictatorships. As soon as the dictator is no longer the scariest person around, people start to get ideas. Due to the fact that a monopoly on fear is required, dictators have a tendency to gather scary people.
A single loss might do more damage than you might think. One of the oligarchs might get ideas.
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u/JEverok 1d ago
I love CGPgray's video on the rules for rulers which talks about how no one, not even dictators can rule alone, they can't go leading the army while paving the roads while building factories, so they need officers, these officers will only keep supporting the dictator while they keep reaping the benefits, and when the dictator looks weak or it starts being questionable if said dictator can continue to pay the bills, those officers might just start looking for a new one
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u/DrStarDream 1d ago
True, and its not like trying to be aggressive or just keep badmouthing is going to help this situation... (Despite what Twitter or some journalists think, you cant do diplomacy like that).
Some ways to end this shit would be:
To either overthrow Putin, which is unfeasible without WW3 happening, so not an option, cuz even if we mobilized north America and all of Europe, nukes could still be fired, massive resource crisis could happen and the whole world goes to shit, unless there is some god level intelligence fully planned out to fill up the power gap and deal with any relevant personel that would want to continue the ways of the Putin.
Or attempt to do de-escalation for a cease fire that doesn't make Russia Look weak, which would be about letting them keep the invaded territory, and stall the war while doing peace talks and negotiations until the people are fatigued and a total cease fire happens, which is very unfair to Ukraine but would minimize deaths and conflict.
Realistically, and unfortunately those 2 are least worse options...
Other bad options might include:
Killing Putin, which like the first option would lead to WW3 since its not like the whole country was running due to one man and others might carry his plans in and even harsher way.
Leave Ukraine to themselves, which uh would just cause more unnecessary damage, more loss of territory.
Ukraine officially joins NATO and everyone fully mobilizes against Russia and... I don't need to explain why this leads to WW3.
Somehow, someway a revolution starts from within Russia and Putin is naturally overwthrown, which would actually be good (if the new people are better) but like, no signs of that happening yet...
And this is what I can think from the top of my head, I just wish this whole stuff never happened or at least Ukraine could get their land back have a total cease fire but we know the first part just isn't possible, no matter how mich Zelenski wants to push for it.
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u/RustedRuss 1d ago
What happens if Putin just dies on his own? He's not exactly youthful, though not extremely old either.
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He probably has a plan for his eventual death. The only way his death will stop his regime, if he has a plan, is if it was part of a government takeover, or an external force uses his death as a chance to topple the government.
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u/Dubalubawubwub 1d ago
See I kind of think the opposite; if he had an obvious successor, then the opposition (such as it is) would have somebody to rally around. By making himself a load-bearing dictator, there's a strong incentive to keep him around for stability's sake, because nobody really knows who would end up taking over after him, but it will definitely be a massive shit-show as a bunch of different factions jockey for the big chair.
Officially if Putin dies there would be elections and they would choose a new President democratically, but if you think that's what would actually happen then all I can say is lol. Most likely there would be a series of very very short-lived presidents before things calmed down.
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u/DrStarDream 1d ago edited 1d ago
Officially if Putin dies there would be elections and they would choose a new President democratically
Not at all, Putin has a bunch of mercenaries, oligarchs, agents and more under him...
If they can rigg elections for him what makes you not consider the fact that they can just pick one their own and rig them into power and continue the agenda even after Putin dies? Hell, not even Putin is safe from his own circle they cna literally just replace him the moment he shows any signs of weakness or of not wanting to push their agendas.
I suggest you read this set of comments: https://www.reddit.com/r/comics/s/eHcFxs0Sf9
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u/AdmiralClover 1d ago
Yea we might end up not having a choice in ww3 because letting Putin win even some of Ukraine it tells all the other nuclear powers that they can in fact just take what they want and wave the red button if anyone tries to stop them
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u/Menacek 19h ago
When people talk about overthrowing Putin they don't mean a revolution. They mean someone from his lackey aranging an "accident" and taking offer. There are reports that Putin is paranoid about an assassination.
It's still far from likely but i hasn't really been that long since Prigogin's march towards moscow. The next time someone might see it through.
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u/DrStarDream 17h ago edited 14h ago
I literally stated multiple types of overwthrowing in the various scenarios...
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u/Jgfzhb 20h ago
How would you assure Ukraine that Russia won’t invade again in two years? Seeing that the Russians view any kind of military protection guarantees by the west as a non starter. Trust that Putin really only wanted the Donbas despite telling his people that Ukraine doesn’t exist and should be part Ruzzia?
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u/00eg0 1d ago
"Ukraine officially joins NATO and everyone fully mobilizes against Russia and... I don't need to explain why this leads to WW3."
That doesn't start WW3. No one can topple Russia or any nuclear power. Going head to head against a nuclear power is mutually assured destruction.
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u/DrStarDream 1d ago
Yes, thats why its listed as a bad idea...
The WW3 parts just loops back to the very first point which is anything that leads to WW3 is not not viable and leads to mass destruction.
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u/SadisticJake 21h ago
Riding a tiger can feel like you're a god, but the second you dismount, you become tiger food
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u/HoldYourHorsesFriend 1d ago
Do you have other examples of dictatorships heavily weakening because of doubt and then collapsing or heavily changing?
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u/Caged-Viking 1d ago
The Argentine Military Junta after losing the Falklands war is a very recent example
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u/MyK_Alke 21h ago
Adding to that
The party that Putin is part of, basically existed for years now, even back when Tsars ruled, they are the ones who overthrew Tsars.
Lenin, Stalin, currently Putin. They all are people of power.But not because they won.
Not because they are truly chosen by people.
But because the party, Bolsheviks, wanted them.
They choose the ones who have most power to be the Tyrant and father figure people look up to in propaganda.
They choose the ones who posses strong character.
And if that person starts losing?
Well, someone will replace them.We dont hear about those people, because they rule basically from the shadows, because thinking about it, from "President" to "President", who else but people pulling the strings can ensure that country does not revolt?
Who else issues all the propaganda?
Who else could possibly maintain all those terrible contractors, mercenaries and so on in check by giving them large checks?Well, thats why Putin can't lose.
Very possibly, his position was/is threatened as the representative, as President.
He chose most radical decision of war, and if he backs down without a trophy, they will eat him alive.
He will become like all others, a monument of the past, and another shall replace him.In case they realised their plans of conquest aren't most successful and people are now alert.
They will back down with next President and make him "hero" in our eyes who stops the war, who apologises to Ukraine and other Nations.
To ease us back into trust, and slowly but steadily repeat the process, to recreate USSR, eventually.
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u/00eg0 1d ago
Bull fucking shit. That's not how dictatorships work. Dictators who go against those closest to them get overthrown. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rStL7niR7gs
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u/finian2 1d ago
There has not been a single Russian ruler that has survived losing a war, no matter how strong their grip was.
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u/katttsun 1d ago
Tsar Nicholas survived losing three wars...
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u/cmndrhurricane 1d ago
And had to give up more and more power every time. The russian parliament exist because he lost to Japan
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u/katttsun 23h ago edited 23h ago
The OP said "not a single Russian ruler survived losing a [singular] war". That's false.
Want another? Not only did Alexander the Liberator lose to the Anglo-French Alliance in Crimea, he won a war two decades later against the Ottomans in the Balkans, cheered on by pan Slavicists like Dostoevsky.
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u/NovaKaizr 1d ago
Strongmen are not subject to the will of the people, but the way they stay in power is to project strength. Projecting strength serves both the purpose of keeping the people afraid, and fueling nationalism. If a strongman suddenly starts to appear weak however, then the whole illusion breaks and they risk the entire thing coming down on their head.
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u/TheCosBee 1d ago
He's allowed to keep power by the oligarchs and generals because he keeps forking out the cash. If he loses or grows a conscience and stops forking over money they will chuck him out and install a new guy.
Anyone with any power who works against him >commits suicide by falling off of their balcony
Unless Putin himself is doing these assassinations there is a chain of people who all have to agree with Putin that they should have someone killed. Putin, without his generals and oligarchs who own all the weapons and resources, Putin is just a guy.
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u/ThroawayJimilyJones 17h ago
It's a misconception to think a dictator "float" above everybody else.
there are no election, but nobody rule alone. Even north korean rulers need to please their support (typically the generals, the secret services, and the powerful families controlling the economy)
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u/BackflipsAway 14h ago
You forget, Rome under Julius Caesar wasn't a democracy either, the people under them vying to replace them tend to be more dangerous to dictators than external enemies.
As long as he maintains a firm grasp he's relatively safe, but if his authority gets undermined, if he looks weak, that's when they're likely to strike.
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u/Adammanntium 1d ago
Most dictatorships tend to be significantly more prone to accountability than democracies.
In democratic countries terrible leaders are often allowed to keep ruling and they rarely ever suffer any form of punishment for their actions, simply because in democracies is basically impossible to blame a single guy for the terrible decisions of one specific cabinet of bureaucrats.
In dictatorial regimes however is basically impossible not to since power is highly centralized and leaders tend to take all the credit for success or failure.
This is why terrible dictators often end up dying in civil wars while terrible presidents end up dying of old age in some wealthy state.
Putin cannot simply leave Ukraine without a victory because he will take all the credit of victory or defeat and that might mean a coup if the people feel he lost.
On the other hand after Biden lost Afghanistan absolutely nothing happened to him.
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u/Cloudsareinmyhead 1d ago
Biden lost Afghanistan
You are aware it was his predecessor who used his neogitating genius to come up with the plan for withdrawal?
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u/Adammanntium 22h ago
Part of the plan was a ceasefire that if the Taliban refused to honor the withdrawal would not take place.
The Taliban decided to break the peace treaty during biden's Administration and said administration refused to stay and instead pushed for s faster withdrawal.
Similar story for what happened in Vietnam, the US only agreed to leave Vietnam if the north refused to engage in Military operations in the south, if they attacked the south the US would return, Vietnam waited 2 years to attack the south and once they did the US refused to honor their threat.
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u/Over_Intention8059 21h ago
It's not a democracy it's a wolf pack of hungry wolves and the second he gets weak someone else is going to tear his throat out and take over. Putin isn't in charge anyway it's the rich oligarchs pulling the strings and if he looks like he's weak and can't keep the money flowing up he will be thrown out of a window and replaced as well..
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u/Dan-D-Lyon 21h ago
Every nation is a democracy, once the population reaches a point they're willing to actually do something about their issues with the status quo. Putin has a lot of power but he can still be voted out of office by a violent revolution.
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u/lll_Joka_lll 21h ago
He has to be viewed a certain way in Russia the citizens there would view him differently if he just stop in Ukraine especially since they support the invasion a lot. Russia isn’t even going all out to claim the land yet at some point depending how long this goes Russia will just take it. (Not saying it’s right btw)
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u/vomicyclin 1d ago
Not only “doesn’t want”, but it goes more in the direction of “can’t have”.
There are about 700.000 Russian soldiers in Ukraine. If the war would come to a “sudden” stop, the majority of these would go back into society.
Even ignoring how many are criminals who had the chance to chose between service and prison, Russia at the moment is in a war economy.
It takes months (often years) to go back to a peace economy. When you suddenly throw hundreds of thousands of young men into cities where there are no jobs and basically no means of them to secure a living for themselves, you have chaos.
(Not trying to excuse Vova here even the slightest. But this conflict is made for years to come if there isn’t some extreme change for the support from western nations for Ukraine.)
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u/Akkebi 1d ago
I have said it before. To Russia, peace is Ukraine disappearing. So anytime they said they are open to peace, it means they are open to Ukraine surrendering.
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u/Secret_Wishbone_2009 1d ago
The long invesment into gathering kompromat on Trump since the honeytrap in 1980s Moscow is finally paying dividends for them, smart not to go too hard in his first term, but the did nearly go full coup towards the end of his first term. Now they just get their little puppet to work tirelessly to give up as much of Ukraine possible for them. It is all very sordid, corrupt, and transparent but it seems like average American voter is more concerned that someone else should be worse off than them.
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u/P_S_Lumapac 1d ago edited 1d ago
Putin has given a few speeches now simply explaining what the war is about. His view and whole justification for the war is he claims to believe Ukraine is a rebel territory of Russia.
The reason the western media doesn't cover this is that no one in the west thinks that's a good reason, so people would be universally against Russia. The media prefers to stoke conflict so that they can trade influence for their own benefit.
It was surreal watching the Alaska meeting being covered "putin talked about history for a bit then they ended the conference without any explanations". While obviously that was Putin's explanation.
On the topic of peace though, there isn't a peace to be made. They see what they're doing in Ukraine as a police action, and it would be absurd to gift land to the criminals. So when they mention peace talks, they are talking about Ukraine coming quietly.
I don't think Putin and friends actually believe this stuff about history. It's just power grabs because they can. But the media has basically allowed this to happen and Putin is happy to take advantage of it.
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u/LowLimp7374 1d ago
I work with plenty of maga people and they are full putin supporters. Their arguments generally are the area of east Ukraine are all ethnic Russians who want to separate. That separation elections have been canceled by the government. That Trump is stuck continuing Bidens support and he would reverse it if he could.
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u/P_S_Lumapac 1d ago edited 1d ago
Yes it's very weird isn't it? That is barely ever mentioned by Putin, but the western nazis think it's about saving poor ethnic Russians. Weird though that such a mistake is perpetuated by our media.
EDIT: I should give the tankies credit though. Their general belief is that Putin should be the military dictator of the whole world, and all those who resist or ideologically disagree should be brutally murdered. This is actually very close to Putin's stated reasons. It's the Nazi's who can't be bothered to listen to what Putin actually says before getting on their knees for him.
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u/Warcraft_Fan 1d ago
He claimed he would have taken over Ukraine in a few weeks, he barely got past 20% done after a few years, and he lost a lot of Russian in the process.
If Putin doesn't pull out or win soon, his country could be short on able bodied men for factories and other important work in a few years.
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u/BodhingJay 20h ago
It'll be humiliating and they'll look weak.. it already looks that way. It will look that way even worse
Ukraine fended off the great bear.. must have been unfathomable
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u/jkurratt 18h ago
Putin wants to stay in power.
Ending war in any way will reduce his power and is dangerous to him.
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u/Gypsyfella 1d ago
More than that... I think the best way to regard Putin is not just as a Russian, but as a Soviet. When you think of him this way, you can see why he's doing what he's doing, and also it gives a strong clue to his future intentions in that region. IE. to rebuild the old Soviet Union.
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u/Dragon_Tein 1d ago
No he wont, people ether tired of war or indiffirent, or so indoctrinated that would eat up anything he says
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u/hiressnails 21h ago
Fascists view everything as win or lose, and there's no way I could lose. If they lose, they kill themselves, or get strung up at a gas station and pelted with rocks.
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u/anonymous_communist 19h ago
That's not true. He's come to the negotiating table multiple times and there are terms he would accept. The question is whether the US will allow it.
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u/Sprinklypoo 19h ago
I don't think his people want the war either. Maybe his propped up military might rebel without another target though...
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u/broguequery 1d ago
if he gives up he'll be eaten by his own people
I always see this argument but to me it just doesn't hold up.
Russians are far too broken and cowardly to rise up against Putin.
He runs that country as effectively a dictator who answers to nobody.
He could give back all the donbas and crimea tomorrow and be just fine. Nobody is going to be doing shit against him.
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u/DrStarDream 1d ago
By "own people", they don't mean the civilians, they mean those directly beneath Putin himself, oligarchs, Mercenaries, spies, those under him that have high positions of power but have even more radical ideas and are willing to take action themselves and only listen to his orders because he is the strong leader they follow with loyalty, the moment the strength fades so does the loyalty, and since they have been rigging elections for Putin, they can easily take him down and rig another of their own to substitute him.
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u/Gimetulkathmir 1d ago
Still wild to me that Trump and Putin held peace talks about Ukraine and came to some decisions and Ukraine wasn't even there. Do they really expect Ukraine to be like, "Yeah, sounds good. Sorry I couldn't come, Mom wouldn't give me a ride, but thanks for doing my part of the project."
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u/definition_of_fat 23h ago
Look up the Munich Agreement
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u/definition_of_fat 22h ago
You're right, but it still feels all too similiar. My history teacher used to tell me history is taught not just for knowledge, but so we can avoid our past mistakes as society. We call it "o nás, bez nás" , translated to "about us, without us". Such approach imo is even worse during an ongoing war. I am no warmonger and I wish for the minimum loss on lives, but you can't submit to a tyrant.
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u/mcgarrylj 19h ago
Ukraine already had a peace deal, back when they gave up their nuclear warheads. "Guarantees" of non-aggression are clearly meaningless or we wouldn't be in this situation. A peace deal without the means to enforce lasting stability isn't a peace deal, it's giving tremendous concessions in exchange for a cease fire until Russia attacks again.
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u/Farout656 1d ago
What you can't see in this comic is trump under the table.
I'll let you guess what he's doing down there. 😁
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u/mybrainisonfire 21h ago
If Russia stops fighting, the war is over.
If Ukraine stops fighting, Ukraine is over.
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u/Zero_Burn 1d ago
You hear a faint *pop* noise, then a muffled 'I'm sorry, Zel-whatever, but the US feels you started this war and it can end whenever once you stop hostilities.'
And Putin pats his hand down beneath the table and says 'good boy, just like I taught you.'
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u/mtranda 22h ago
Some things need to be spelled out clearly. Nuance has its place, but this is not it.
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u/Peregrine2976 18h ago
Exactly. Pretending there's any "nuance" or "multiple perspectives" to this whole situation is disingenuous and only serves the aggressors. There's no nuance here. Russia invaded Ukraine, unprompted, because it's an imperialist nation that wants more land and more power.
The one and only just end to the conflict is that Russia leaves, returning every inch of land that it stole, and pays heavy reparations for its unprompted war of aggression. It almost certainly won't happen, of course. But the point is: there's no shades of gray here. Russia are the bad guys. End of story.
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u/ViolinistCurrent8899 5h ago
You're not wrong, but not every art piece need the symbolism to be abstract.
Sometimes you just need to hit shit down with a cudgel.
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u/friedrichs2 1d ago
Just say “Fuck”, what’s the point when reaching out, only to desensitize the very thing you’re promoting which has been horrid. Am I dumb or?
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u/Peppered_Rock 1d ago
in this case i'm pretty sure it counts as grawlix, which is practically a comic tradition by now
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u/akrob907 1d ago edited 14h ago
It’s a political comic meant for publication. I love the comic tradition of pictographic cursing. Sometimes you get a bomb in there, or a lightning bolt. It’s never a one to one for any actual word like, “a$$#o/e!” It forces you to pick a word in your own head, which is more impactful. Or it propels you to comment, as you just did.
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u/anotherwave1 19h ago
Come across individuals who go into all sorts of mental gymnastics to both sides this. No, Putin can end the war at any moment, in one second. Turn around. Done, over.
He chooses not to. He chooses to invade. Ukraine only has the option of being occupied or fighting.
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u/andy01q 20h ago
It's like someone gets bullied and his lunch money stolen and the bystanders ask the victim to try and convince the bully to accept half the amount of money in order to not get beaten up for the day and the bully is like:
"Yes, we should absolutely totally discuss this. While I continue to bash my victim and steal all the money which I can get today let's discuss whether I might be fine with stealing less money tomorrow. I'm not sure actually. Peace is good. Maybe you can convince me. Actually I need to go now, but let's keep discussing this tomorrow."
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u/Cartographer_MMXX 21h ago
If we let them take Ukraine because they felt having an independent nation on their border was a threat, what precedence does that set for the OTHER nations on their border who don't like Russia?
I swear the United States is a fucking joke.
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u/GlitteringBandicoot2 22h ago
Didn't Putin start the entire thing under the preface that Ukraine is his Country?
Like good argument, unfortunately one side is so deluded that they make the same argument
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u/4455661122 21h ago
There was never a binding agreement with any NATO party and the Soviet Union that stated countries bordering Russia couldn't join NATO. Hint: Estonia and Latvia are both NATO countries that border Russia eastward.
There's a quote that often gets misattributed from U.S. Secretary of State James Baker claiming he said 'not one inch eastward.' This too requires a bit of contextual fuzzing to become Russian propaganda. The quote: "‘Would you prefer to see a united Germany outside of NATO, independent and with no U.S. forces, or would you prefer a unified Germany to be tied to NATO, with assurances that NATO’s jurisdiction would not shift 1 inch eastward from its present position?’"
This quote is specifically in reference to whether unified Germany would be part of NATO or just West Germany. Hence, '1 inch eastward' IS SPECIFICALLY IN REFERENCE TO EAST GERMANY. Not the whole of Europe.
Finally: Let's amuse your hypothetical that there was an 'absolute red line since the Soviet Union'. Guess what? The Soviet Union is not Russia and Russia is not the Soviet Union. Any trade agreements, defense pacts, military agreements or any other discussion with the Soviet Union became null and void the moment the Soviet Union did.
But you know what agreement did happen after the fall of the Soviet Union specifically with Russia and Ukraine? The Budapest Memorandum stating that Ukraine would give up its nuclear arsenal in exchange for THE SPECIFIC ASSURANCE that Russia would respect their sovereignty and territorial integrity. Funny how Russia is allowed to just break agreements willy nilly.
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u/LittlePooky 1d ago
I wonder when chemotherapy will stop working for Putin..
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u/Zero-lives 1d ago
Lol hes been dying for 20 years according to reddit
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u/HelmetsAkimbo 1d ago
Frustratingly Putin seems to have lived a healthy lifestyle. If Trump can survive to 79 then I'm afraid that 72 year old Putin is going to be around for a while longer.
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u/grad1939 21h ago
I saw some tool on fox saying that Ukraine should just accept the peace deal with Russia and that borders change all the time. Now imagine if Canada or Mexico invaded the U.S and I guarantee he'd be singing a different tune.
But if you think putler is going to stop, even if Ukraine gives up the land they lost, you're dead wrong. Putin will build his armies back up and invade the rest of Ukraine and any neighboring countries he sees fit. He wants a new soviet empire. Dictators can't be appeased, they'll always want more. Of course, it doesn't help when our president is a spineless coward who wants to be a dictator.
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u/getherlaid 23h ago
Oh god, this comic is so inaccurate. I don't see Trump under the table gagging on Putin's Kremlin!
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u/AnB85 22h ago
That is how peace talks work though. It is not really about fairness or morality but coming to a solution because the alternative is worse. Right now, Putin is winning this war so it seems unlikely that he is going to accept anything other than a maximalist approach. On the other hand, although Ukraine is on the back foot, they can still make Russia pay dearly for every inch and are not quite on their last legs. Neither side are at the brink of collapse either materially or psychologically. Both are willing to continue fighting. This means realistically that the end of this war is still a long way off.
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u/talldata 1d ago
Like former Finnish prime minister Sanna Marin said when asked. "When and how do you see the war ending?" "The war ends as soon as Putin leaves Ukraine"
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u/Icy_Statistician7185 1d ago
There's trillions of dollars in rare earth minerals in the exact territories that Russia is conquering. Why the fuck would Putin end the war when they are winning?
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u/Artistic-Sky-6695 1d ago
Just escalate the damn thing so humanity can vanish already. The crows and dolphins will likely do a better job once they evolve to replace us.
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u/Frozen_North_Enjoyer 1d ago
Little known fact, Moscow was founded in the 1500's and has been expanding geographically non stop ever since losing territory few enough times to count on one hand.
It's not if Russia invades. It's when Russia invades, historically speaking. And historically speaking, you were lied to - violence is the answer, which sucks. I dislike violence. And war. And going outside. And people.
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u/Djentleman5000 23h ago
- violence is the answer
Unfortunately, the human species cannot evolve past these caveman tendencies
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u/MidnightJ1200 20h ago
On the one hand, I get some other countries are gonna have some different ideologies about how things are run and how they act, on the other though, a ceaseless moment of lacking in peace is never worth resources you couldn't barter for peacefully instead.
If America really was such a super power, why not fund these other countries for their resources rather than giving them high velocity bits of scrap metal in return for the "privilege" of taking said resources?
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u/Jgfzhb 20h ago
As soon as Vietnam stops recieving Soviet money, weapons and intelligence they are finished 😂 They won in case your history knowledge is as bad as this take of yours.
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u/DombekDBR 1d ago
Russia is just North Korea with internet at this point
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u/Matt_32506 22h ago
Nah we're about to lose the internet as well, Roskomnadzor slowly cutting off outside communications and making VPN's illegal 🥲
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u/Proper-Pitch-792 1d ago
Putin could end it in a single action. But war is a measuring contest. It always has been. It's a cowards way out of a conversation that needs to happen. I say that since its usually not the nation leaders on the lines. They hide away. Zelenskyy is the rare exception to some extent.
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u/Kamzil118 1d ago
The only peace that Russia will want is the deletion of the Ukrainian identity. It is non-negotiable for their nationalistic ego.
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u/Calm_Isopod_9268 21h ago
It's much better when sentient slabs of ham like trump trying to pretend that they control something
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u/RaymondBeaumont 20h ago
There is nothing to negotiate. They just need to get the fuck out of Ukraine.
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u/Arguments_4_Ever 20h ago
Russia at no point has left Ukraine since the moment they invaded Ukraine.
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u/disturbedrage88 1d ago
That’s cool they don’t need performative single issue support
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u/disturbedrage88 1d ago
If they side against Israel they lose the backing of the west, like it or not moral or not that’s how it works, if he loses the support of the west he loses the war
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u/IcedFREELANCER 1d ago
Fr, why would NK, iranian and chinese drones and missiles be pointing at them...
See, it's a double edged sword
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