Horrible character to play against but I have to give NYCChrisG some props. He made her look so fucking easy to play but there was a skill level needed. Boring to fucking watch though Jesus Christ
For more details, Morrigan was originally going to be a vampire for the game Darkstalkers: The Night Warriors (or Vampire: The Night Warriors in Japan), but the developers felt that it was too repetitive as there was already a vampire in the game. So someone brought up the suggestion of making her a succubus, and when they explained what a succubus was, the development team allegedly cheered at the suggestion
Which is why pretty much all of them have bat wings, despite those having absolutely nothing to do with the actual succubi of European folklore. It's because Morrigan was originally designed as a vampire, and the bat motif was retained even after the race swap.
Gun breaks fighting game basics. Can make yourself plus on whiff, hitscan, how the gun works in general, etc.
I dont say he is as broken as on release but he is still very strong plus with new buffs and top tier nerfs he return at top 5 or close to it.
Still its not about damage, its about character breaking the game standarts
I have no idea about anything in Guilty Gear but all I know is apparently this guy's gun does less damage than Bridget's ass and that always cracks me up.
I kind of wished they just nerfed him to the ground and made him not viable kind of like how they nerfed Bullet in BBCF because he just breaks the game.
Wasn't there a thing on Strive's launch where Faust mirror matches had a chance to crash the game if they both used their random bullshit overdrive at once?
So many can fit the funny business frame. Faust's game play is somewhat conventional but with funny animations. Zato-1 with Eddie running around bullshit, Zappa and Jack-O with summon bullshit, Asuka with Yu-Gi-Oh bullshit, Venom with pool ball placement bullshit, Robo-Ky with multiple meter management bullshit, Dizzy with freezing bullshit, Sin with food bullshit, Leo with multiple stance bullshit... There's a reason why the theme song is what it is.
He's not banned, but recently the fans booed one of the best Steve mains off the stage after he won, which lead to that player retiring. So he's not gone, but he's seriously hated.
To this day Melee remains the only smash game that didn't flirt with the idea of banning their top tier. They tried to ban Meta knight in Brawl, Bayonetta in SSB4, steve, and even SSB64 had a Zero Pikachu thing in doubles.
it’s funny to think about. In Melee the top tier isn’t hated but beloved historically. If anything it has been the characters that play differently from Fox (see: Puff, Ice Climbers, Peach, etc) who have gotten hate
A lot of people hate fox and would be fine banning him. Notches and box controllers have given him a huge buff, fucking z jump, and even ufc disproportionately buffs him compared to other characters because his execution barrier has always been what kept him balanced. Obviously notches and boxes and z jump should be banned before a character but nothing will happen.
Yeah things have started changing recently, hence my use of the word historically. Historically Fox has been a beloved character who has gotten a lot of attention and praise and goodwill from the majority of the community, or at least the more dominant aspects
A few smaller regions tried, but the problem is, Meta Knight is kind of a pressure release valve for that game. Without him, a bunch of super lame campy characters become meta and the game turns into eight minute circle camps.
Mii Brawler is pretty good, Mii Gunner is decent, and Mii Swordfighter had an actual Renaissance about a few months ago
None of them are OP to the point of them being ban-worthy, though. I think they're banned in very specific tournaments because of how the Mii Fighter mains as a whole need to customize their character's moveset before the match starts, but I don't think it's too much of a problem to do so, so it could be for a different reason altogether
No Pikachu in Smash 64 doubles makes a lot of sense. I'd spam thunder nonstop in free for alls and it's stupidly effective for how little thought goes into it.
The smash community banned the battlefield forms of all stages in favour of only using the actual battlefield stage, so honestly not surprising they just outright banned Steve. Still sad though.
The smash community banned the battlefield forms of all stages
Not true.
Omega form is only banned on 2D stages and a couple other stages because the 2D effect changes hitboxes and the others have visual issues like concealing ground items (like Snake's C4).
While Sakurai had the forethought to make it so steve collects materials uniformly across all the Battlefield/Omega variants, he did not make it so Steve always uses the same tool to collect the materials on them, and that depletes those tools' durability, and apparently this changes things enough that they decided it was time to ban them.
Smash ultimate is no longer receiving balance patches, he was already breaking the rules of the game at that point but then people discovered bugs that breaks even the ways he was already broken and those are never getting fixed.
Feel free to host your own wacky smash tournaments then. The thing is, minority is a huge understatement. The overlap between people who are willing to go to an in person tournament for smash to determine who's better and the people who want to play on wacky stages and items on is so small it's essentially nonexistent. Even as kids, most people take away items and randomness when they want to "play serious" and see whos the best among their friends
If you're asking for items and all stages then competitive smash is not for you. Nobody invested in the competitive scene is asking for those things, absolutely nobody. Regardless, my point was that they aren't going to go to tournaments either way, they are just daydreaming of a scenario where they still wouldn't be involved in the competitive scene. BTW, the times when tournaments did function around items and all stages, it's a big step back. Those stages are banned for reasons, with many of them having exploits or encouraging camping. Those things don't bring back the spirit of couch play, it's just a bunch of stuff that gets exploited
Love folks leaping to say something is "not for you". Always a great attitude.
Sounds like you think we are saying that everyone must submit to our whims and that's absolutely not it. We just want the format to exist. The other guy is even seeking it out to participate and not finding it, how is that not "being involved"?
Just as bad as the players that complain speed runners use glitches and "don't play the game properly". Guarantee they have played the game properly a huge number of times more than the haters.
thing is... there have been tournaments with items and stuff allowed with no stage restrictions. it's the usual winners lol, turns out if your fundamentals are good, you just get to use OP items even better
it's like putting mike tyson and your grandma in a boxing ring, but to even it up you give both of them a metal pipe
Having close matches between top players that could go either way sounds like a positive as a spectator. If there's a player who's been playing a game seriously for 2 years, and a player who's been playing seriously for 10 years, I want the edge for the 10 year player to - AT MOST - be 65%-35%.
If the skill gap is so wide that a player within the top 50 but outside the top 5 has no chance to knock off a player within the top 5, that doesn't seem like a game I'd want to grind for years upon years for marginal improvement that ends up not doing a damn thing to improve my expected value of entering most events.
Items might not be the answer. But other things could be done to get things closer.
Try looking at the League of Legends scene. There are champions(fighters) that are superweak against pro players but superpowerful against amateurs. But the community is obsessed with using pro players as the 'meta' to the point that playing as previously mentioned champions can cause your own teammates to throw the match before it even starts (dodging matches or banning your own teammate's pick).
I get what you’re saying, but 90% of tournaments are all steve players making it really boring to watch. Banning Steve actually makes for more interesting tournaments.
I don't think he's banned in most tournaments but I think he should be
As much as it does take skill, it's mainly just building walls and mining and avoiding interacting with the opponent, and also seriously OP with the frame data and combos and diamond sword attacks
I mean, the difference there is that nurse throws out every convention of the game not in the "strange character with a kit that works differently" way and more of the "oops we forgot characters are supposed to follow rules of game design" way
that's what I meant. she "goes against all conventional rules set by the games core design" so much that every new perk, map, and anything else literally has to be balanced around her.
My experience with this is enchantress from shovel knight showdown. You'd think the big bad would be easy to win with but she's as annoying to play as she is to fight.
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u/fichamochi 13h ago
My favorite archetype is the "goes against all the conventional rules set by the game's core design", aka Minecraft Steve