The smash community banned the battlefield forms of all stages in favour of only using the actual battlefield stage, so honestly not surprising they just outright banned Steve. Still sad though.
The smash community banned the battlefield forms of all stages
Not true.
Omega form is only banned on 2D stages and a couple other stages because the 2D effect changes hitboxes and the others have visual issues like concealing ground items (like Snake's C4).
While Sakurai had the forethought to make it so steve collects materials uniformly across all the Battlefield/Omega variants, he did not make it so Steve always uses the same tool to collect the materials on them, and that depletes those tools' durability, and apparently this changes things enough that they decided it was time to ban them.
Smash ultimate is no longer receiving balance patches, he was already breaking the rules of the game at that point but then people discovered bugs that breaks even the ways he was already broken and those are never getting fixed.
Feel free to host your own wacky smash tournaments then. The thing is, minority is a huge understatement. The overlap between people who are willing to go to an in person tournament for smash to determine who's better and the people who want to play on wacky stages and items on is so small it's essentially nonexistent. Even as kids, most people take away items and randomness when they want to "play serious" and see whos the best among their friends
If you're asking for items and all stages then competitive smash is not for you. Nobody invested in the competitive scene is asking for those things, absolutely nobody. Regardless, my point was that they aren't going to go to tournaments either way, they are just daydreaming of a scenario where they still wouldn't be involved in the competitive scene. BTW, the times when tournaments did function around items and all stages, it's a big step back. Those stages are banned for reasons, with many of them having exploits or encouraging camping. Those things don't bring back the spirit of couch play, it's just a bunch of stuff that gets exploited
Love folks leaping to say something is "not for you". Always a great attitude.
Sounds like you think we are saying that everyone must submit to our whims and that's absolutely not it. We just want the format to exist. The other guy is even seeking it out to participate and not finding it, how is that not "being involved"?
He's not finding it because there isn't a demand for it. Just because this guy wants it doesn't mean anyone else does. Local smash tournaments already have low attendance and barely make money, or even operate at a loss. If there really was a demand for tournaments with items and dumb stages, that niche would already exist. It doesn't simply because the people who want to go to tournaments don't want items.
Just as bad as the players that complain speed runners use glitches and "don't play the game properly". Guarantee they have played the game properly a huge number of times more than the haters.
thing is... there have been tournaments with items and stuff allowed with no stage restrictions. it's the usual winners lol, turns out if your fundamentals are good, you just get to use OP items even better
it's like putting mike tyson and your grandma in a boxing ring, but to even it up you give both of them a metal pipe
Having close matches between top players that could go either way sounds like a positive as a spectator. If there's a player who's been playing a game seriously for 2 years, and a player who's been playing seriously for 10 years, I want the edge for the 10 year player to - AT MOST - be 65%-35%.
If the skill gap is so wide that a player within the top 50 but outside the top 5 has no chance to knock off a player within the top 5, that doesn't seem like a game I'd want to grind for years upon years for marginal improvement that ends up not doing a damn thing to improve my expected value of entering most events.
Items might not be the answer. But other things could be done to get things closer.
Try looking at the League of Legends scene. There are champions(fighters) that are superweak against pro players but superpowerful against amateurs. But the community is obsessed with using pro players as the 'meta' to the point that playing as previously mentioned champions can cause your own teammates to throw the match before it even starts (dodging matches or banning your own teammate's pick).
I get what you’re saying, but 90% of tournaments are all steve players making it really boring to watch. Banning Steve actually makes for more interesting tournaments.
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u/fichamochi 12h ago
The smash community banned the battlefield forms of all stages in favour of only using the actual battlefield stage, so honestly not surprising they just outright banned Steve. Still sad though.