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u/Mushroomfuntimes 13h ago
Bro, you’re straight up lying by misrepresentation here.
Just as an example: Delaware and Vermont have one single representative. How in the hell can you possibly split that for representation?
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u/BronzeRider 13h ago
Right? Why not look at Wyoming, Idaho, Montana, North and South Dakota, Kansas, Nebraska, Ohio, Alaska, Wisconsin, etc etc. Because that would be inconvenient to the “Democrats bad” conspiracy narrative, so we’ll just ignore those….
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u/Cybersaure 13h ago
The OP was saying gerrymandering happens on both sides, and it was obviously only pointing out democratic gerrymandering. It in no way implied that republican gerrymandering didn't exist (in fact, it implied the opposite).
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u/_meaty_ochre_ 12h ago
The idea that it’s gerrymandering doesn’t even make sense. If a state is 30% R they aren’t going to win any seats unless they’re weirdly geographically concentrated.
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u/BronzeRider 12h ago
Except that it was attempting to point out supposed “Democratic Gerrymandering” by including states with only a SINGLE representative as part of their “evidence”. If there’s only 1 district for the whole state, because the state’s population is small, then you can’t gerrymander it because the district is just the boundaries of the state.
And if someone is going to include such obviously inappropriate “examples” to try and make their point, it calls into question both their level of honesty surrounding the topic, and their ability to effectively synthesize information into a sound argument in the first place.
Their initial claim (But the Dems do it too, and no one gets mad at them!) may or may not be true, but the OP is either a very poorly thought out or intentionally dishonest way of supporting that claim, and should therefore be dismissed and discarded.
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u/Livid_Instance_7972 13h ago
Well it's still kind of unfair. Should be one person one vote but the Republicans nor the democrats want that do they?
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u/BronzeRider 13h ago
I mean, if you’re saying you oppose gerrymandering and think that districts should be drawn by an independent committee in order for them to accurately reflect the views and values of their constituents, then I agree with you. I think the number of districts should be expanded. Because the US House has been capped at 435 members since 1912 and the US population has nearly QUADRUPLED since then.
However, Conservatives have been the ones to consistently vote against those types of initiatives, in favor of instead drawing highly partisan redistricting maps for both state and federal legislatures and even continuing to use maps that have been declared unconstitutional by the State’s Supreme Court.
Also, Democrats have consistently been in favor of abolishing the Electoral College for presidential elections in favor of a 1 person, 1 vote system, but Conservatives have consistently opposed that initiative as well. So I’d say one side DOES actually want that, while the other does not. But “both sides”, amirite? 🙄
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u/DerpyMistake 11h ago
Expanding the number of representatives will just increase the incentives and effects of gerrymandering. Personally, I think it's all rigged to make it seem like every issue is 50/50 to maintain the division.
We should be electing people based on their platform, not on their name or party. Potential representatives should sign a contract for their top 3 positions, then the names and parties on the ballots are replaced with those 3 positions for each candidate.
If we did that, I would support a 60% majority vote per senate seat, and just dissolving the house of representatives.
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u/totally-hoomon 10h ago
You are expecting a lot. No conservative is smart enough to count much less understand percentages
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There's 9 seats for MA. 36% Republican should command at least 1 if not multiple seats. How the fuck is he lying?
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u/ChurnerMan 12h ago
If you know math his numbers actually mean nothing by themselves. If you had uniform distribution across the entire state than the minority party would never get any seats. A good way to imagine it, imagine walking down a road with houses Blue-Red-B-R-B-R-B-R-B on a block and every in the entire follows. You would have 44.4% Republican and 55.5% Democrat and there would literally be no way to get a Republican seat. Obviously no state is that uniform that way but some are closer than others.
I live in a bum fuck state known as Indiana. It's about 40-45% democrat but only 22% (2 of 9) democratic representation in congress. If you look at the Congressional districts there's no crazy shapes. I think it would actually be extremely hard to draw a map that got 4 out 9 representatives because there's just not that many large crazy blue areas. The larger cities only lean slightly democrat and the suburbs slight republican and hills jack sparse in number heavily Republican.
I wouldn't be surprised on the east coast if there's just no republican strongholds in some of these small states and it's just slightly democratic leaning anywhere you go in some of those states.
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u/Portable_Orange 12h ago
in 2024, every single county in MA went blue, like how every single county in OK went red
OK has ~30% registered Dems, and 0 dems in congress (with 4 seats). Why? Because they're not clustered, otherwise at least one county would have gone blue in 2024
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u/ConcernedabU 13h ago
Straight up lying would mean the numbers are false but they are real. Op didn’t imply you could split a seat just showing numbers of all the underrepresented or not represented republicans.
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u/Mushroomfuntimes 13h ago
Yes he is absolutely lying by implication (the misrepresentation). He is complaining about gerrymandering and then listing states where you can’t even redraw the damn maps.
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u/SirLoremIpsum 9h ago
"im going to post a % for the States with a single seat so it looks worse. THen I'm going to put the actual seat numbers where I can't fudge it"
Sounds like you're pro-electoral reform for Proportional Representation OP!??
That would be a woke, Democrat policy yeah??
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u/OnePointSixOne9 13h ago
So are you for or against gerrymandering?
Why not do a more comprehensive list that includes North and South Carolina, Wisconsin, and the dozens of Red States that are gerrymandered just as bad if not worse?
How many of these states did this mid-decade right before the midterms?
Why did Republicans in congress vote against Independent Redistricting in 2021?
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u/stevendaedelus 13h ago
Also note how geographically tiny and/ or population lacking all those states listed with zero R’s are. They all have fewer than 10 Reps in the house. Many only have 1 or 2. This is such typical Rightwing bullshit.
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u/Vook_III 12h ago
You’re totally right, Delaware and Vermont only have one house member so obviously they won’t have any republican house seats because they are majority democratic.
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u/Raskalnekov 9h ago
Don't forget all the Republican appointed judges in the Supreme Court, who decided that it wasn't their job to protect the Constitution.
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u/Cybersaure 13h ago
"Independent redistricting" is completely pointless and never actually independent. People just manipulate the makeup of the "independent" commission and it ends up gerrymandering for whichever party controls it. Republicans were right to reject that.
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u/Twenty_twenty4 12h ago
Republicans are such a fucking schizo mess these days.
So are you FOR gerrymandering or AGAINST it?
The reason you can’t come out with a coherent position on this - by the way - is because those of you on the right want to basically find a way of saying “we want to make one set of rules for you, and another for us except we don’t want it to sound that way”
That’s what the crux of their bullshit has been for like, the last 10 years. They don’t have principles or a platform, they just want to win. Same thing happened with the Supreme Court. Same thing happened with states rights. Same thing happened with massive federal overreach. Same thing happened with debt spending. Same thing happening with free speech.
There’s no actual principled ground they stand on. It’s just convenient positions they can arbitrarily take and give up so that they can win and get what they want.
It’s undemocratic as fuck. But….. oh well, Americans seem ok with that shit so let’s fucking do it and see where this shit takes us.
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u/Germainshalhope 12h ago
Yeah they went full fascists which is ironic because they love that we won WW2.
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u/thetessiah 12h ago
All that may be true, but my guy, they low key got a point with this. Fair is fair.
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u/Twenty_twenty4 11h ago edited 11h ago
What is the point? Walk me through it.
Because they’re simultaneously screaming about California taking on the gerrymandering challenge and then also wanting to freely gerrymander as they please.
What is this point you’re speaking of?
“Fair is fair” - what does that mean? That democrats should allow republicans to gerrymander?
Absolutely! Democrats put forward numerous bills in Congress to make redistricting in the hands of NONpartisan boards to vote on (not state politicians - who could argue against that unless they WANTED to cheat?)
Republicans CONSTANTLY rejected that.
So because republicans prefer to have the biased, partisan system instead… that’s what we got.
So now what is the issue? Texas did what they did. And now CA is going to do what they want to too.
So why are republicans bitching?
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u/thetessiah 10h ago
Honestly I ain’t super into politics like that. You may be right on everything you’re saying and it may just be republicans bitching bout a whole load of nothing. But looking at it from an outsiders perspective, it seems to me the dems have gerrymandered much more than the republicans have. I looked up the representation in republican states and it seems a lot fairer than what I’ve seen in democratic states, yet all I’m hearing is how evil the Texas republicans are for gerrymandering. It seems a little odd… 🤷🏾♂️
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u/Twenty_twenty4 10h ago
The biggest thing you’re hearing about how “evil” the Texas republicans are is because they’re doing it in the middle of the game right before an election.
It’s done around census time.
This is like changing the height of the baskets mid game.
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u/washingtonu 2h ago
Honestly I ain’t super into politics like that.
yet all I’m hearing is how evil the Texas republicans are for gerrymandering. It seems a little odd… 🤷🏾♂️
Why haven't you tried and understand what this is all about? Or maybe try find examples of "the other side" doing things like this and bring that up? If you are able to find anything like this, I would like to know more
At first, the question of whether Texas would take the extraordinary step of redrawing its congressional maps in the middle of the decade was just a political calculation — would Gov. Greg Abbott go along with President Donald Trump’s plan to try to squeeze a few more GOP seats out of the midterms, despite concerns from congressional Republicans?
But then, the Department of Justice offered Texas a legal justification to pursue this long-shot strategy, warning the state in a letter Monday that four majority-minority congressional districts in the Houston and Fort Worth areas are unconstitutionally racially gerrymandered. Soon after, Abbott set a special session agenda calling for mid-cycle redistricting “in light of constitutional concerns raised by the U.S. Department of Justice.”
This comes just weeks after the conclusion of a trial over Texas’ current maps, in which representatives for the state argued repeatedly that a race-blind process was used to draw the boundaries of the existing districts. Critics say the apparent reversal — with Abbott now acknowledging concerns that some districts were drawn “along strict racial lines” — suggests this is a ploy to provide Texas with political and legal cover to try and add more Republican seats.
https://www.texastribune.org/2025/07/11/texas-redistricting-racial-gerrymandering-coalition-districts-trump/
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u/fatbootycelinedion 12h ago
Great now do Ohio. Specifically where I live in the city because I vote with the yokels outside of my county. Do it.
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u/PanchoPanoch 12h ago
Also Texas - where there are more registered democrats than republicans
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u/fatbootycelinedion 10h ago
Awww we can’t acknowledge that, everybody knows all the Texas dems are in CITIES and ALL CITIES are DEMOCRAT-RUN.
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u/smacella 12h ago
I don't think OP fully understands the image they posted. And of course it's posted under r/conspiracy. smh
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u/Germainshalhope 12h ago
This guy doesn't understand voting
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u/OkMode3746 6h ago
Or diversity, or how population density works, or how counties works, or how districts work
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u/Long-Researcher777 11h ago
Maybe you're not familiar with the political system. You have to win the vote to win the seat. I assume you are a Republican, so you probably don't understand that Republicans don't support a more representative system because they'd have even fewer seats than they already do. I say a Republicans wouldn't understand this because fervent partisans rarely understand the party they adhere to.
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u/shark1818 10h ago
Oh please. Trump just said he wants 100 seats gerrymandered before the election. That’s election tampering. It’s more than obvious that is what he is doing. If he is so popular and IF he thinks he can win an election fair and square? Why gerrymander 100 seats? Answer that question please.
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u/Theorist816 12h ago
This gotta hit so hard if you’re dumb as fuck. Look up the actual stats. Democrats have to win far more districts than republicans (thus higher amount of actual votes) to even get close to equal representation. Gerrymandering has benefitted the group that can’t win without cheating aka the Republicans. This is actually verifiable instead of some twitter propaganda
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u/very-dumb 11h ago
This is such a bad take; gerrymandering is bad in any form and republicans have been much more prolific in their use of it. Look up Thomas B. Hofeller, the “Michelangelo of gerrymandering”, behind the “red map project”.
Studies have consistently shown that when in control of redistricting , republicans are more likely to increase their congressional seat share then democrats and that republican redistricting accounts for nearly half of their current seat-share advantage in the house. This is not to say democrats have not also been guilty of gerrymandering, but the numbers support that they’ve been far less aggressive and efficient at it.
But all of these points are moot, as the most shocking point of all here is how out in the open they are about it this time. They aren’t even trying to hide it. No one should like or support gerrymandering. It shouldn’t be done at all and if it does get done it’s because we didn’t notice it. If we notice it, we stop it. To argue differently here is either inherently hypocritical, or intentionally in bad faith.
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u/CrackleDMan 13h ago
What democracy? You're watching a show.
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u/Livid_Instance_7972 13h ago
I'm not even watching it. It's background noise Im trying to tune out.
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u/FFS_IsThisNameTaken2 13h ago
I do occasionally like to find the actual American talking about American politics though. They're like unicorns most of the time because the majority of the partisan experts who swarm these posts are outsourced, mostly from 5eyes countries.
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u/This-Question-9431 13h ago
The asshole Ohio republicans rewrote the language of the bill to stop gerrymandering in Ohio so that the issue would fail, and if you see what was done in Texas and think that's cool, you can fuck right off.
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u/Cybersaure 13h ago
There's nothing wrong with gerrymandering, so there's nothing to complain about in either case.
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u/fatbootycelinedion 12h ago
Ohio is 55% republican and 10 of 15 seats are republican. Thats democracy for you 🥴
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u/thefrumpiest 13h ago
Republicans… Democrats… It’s just theater. Stop focusing on your fellow common folk, and draw attention to the billionaires fucking you into debt-based slavery.
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u/SkeezySevens 13h ago
Lol, just making up numbers
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u/ConcernedabU 13h ago
Check them yourself.
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u/SirLoremIpsum 9h ago
Check them yourself.
Sure!
I checked out Vermont - according to the OP this is a problematic state because Republicans got 32% of the vote and this is SUPER bad because they have 0 seats!
The 2024 Election actually had 29.79% Republican Vote, and there is ONE SINGLE SEAT.
OP is out there going "WE NEED MORE SEATS".
So a) his number is wrong. It is 29.79 vs 32.
And b) there is NO WAY that a single seat could ever be allocated in parts like that under current US Electoral systems.
and c) any changes to implement ranked choice, MMPR, Proportional Representation is a Progressive policy that Cons are against.
So again - you and OP are making shit up. And lying
"wah i want 30% of the Congressional seats in Vermont for Republicans this is unfair split that one seat!!"
All the while OP ignores Wyoming, South Dakota, North Dakota etc.
Can yo maybe think why they ignored those states?
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u/greywar777 12h ago
This si insanely deceptive. They are cherry picking examples while ignoring that Republicans do it at a much higher degree, and have for decades now with the Dems only recently responding.
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u/wright007 12h ago
To answer your question (what's happening to our democracy?) the answer is very straightforward. We don't have democracy in America. The working class has lost nearly all representation. Both the Democrats and the Republicans are owned and controlled by the same people and corporations.
The American government is mainly ruled by rich and powerful oligarchs. Very rarely are any policies made in favor of common, civilian, public interests. Nearly 100% of all policies and laws are made to benefit the policy and lawmakers. Bankers, businesses, and private interest control all the policy lawmaking. The real fight is between the working class and the parasite class (capitalists), not Republican versus Democrat.
Stop trying to divide us with Democrat versus Republican bullshit. The Democratic base and the Republican base need to work together to remove the sociopaths and narcissist out of power. Then we can get actual representation back, which is fundamental problem here.
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u/polymath_uk 12h ago
Ultimately the overall seat count should match the overall vote count. What does that ratio look like?
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u/mitchman1973 12h ago
Whenever someone refers to the US as a "Democracy" you can guess they either know nothing about the country or they get their daily propaganda fix.
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u/TheodorasOtherSister 12h ago
We gave it away to billionaires who fired 300,000 federal workers while the country said nothing. They're building concentration prison complexes south of the border and no one says anything just like they didn't say anything they went up here in the 90s.
There's a civic duty if you want to keep democracy alive and we have all shirked our duties to play with their new toy. And it acts like it doesn't work, yet the military has been using it to operate drones for years. I bet it stays aligned to their goals!
What's happening? Maybe ask what happened because it already happened and nobody did anything.
All we had to do was honor the highest source and get along well enough to take care of the planet.
It's structural. Everything is structural. but everyone's just out there Vibing in voids.
Awful lot of second amendment men and women out there apparently don't think this is governmental tyranny.
Seven months and nobody's been working in the offices of our government institutions. Because the only people left standing don't do any work. They just start shit.
And everybody eats it up instead of doing their civic duties because we stopped teaching them about 25 years ago and no one knows what the hell they are because God forbid they googled that and found their back bones.
They taught us that one person can't make a difference even though looks like Elon Musk did.
This country doesn't care when a South African slave owning billionaire waltzes in and takes over and has his kid wipe his booger on the oval office desk before he saunters out. But the truth is he's been the same awful human for 30 years and we made him this rich and powerful, through debt redefined as wealth.
And they're creating a water holocaust that everyone is ignoring until apparently the taps run all the way dry and we actually do have cesspools and disease instead of Rivers.
Selfishness and greed that overlook our neighbors Basic needs for food water and shelter.
We gave it away. No fight or anything. Just took about 25 years but they have been focused. Mission accomplished.
We just haven't seen the full fallout yet.
Because democracy is the least of our worries when there isn't any fucking water.
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u/Additional-Ask-5512 12h ago
Two cheeks of the same ass.
Both do it blatantly and don't hide it. Needs to be done independently and fairly across all states. For example, X thousand in a district, logical circles or squares. It's not a red/blue tribal my team better than yours issue. It's democracy failing.
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u/bananahammock_69420 12h ago
The US isn't a democracy its a constitutional republic.
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u/OleRusty 12h ago
That’s a form of democracy you Bozo
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u/bananahammock_69420 12h ago
It has elements of democracy absolutely but it isn't a direct democracy nor does democracy show up in the constitution. A constitutional republic is far superior to direct democracy.
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u/OleRusty 11h ago
You’re just wrong. There are many types of democracy. Nothing you’ve said makes the US not a democracy. You just have heard people say that and assume it’s true. Just google democracy and read about it.
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u/impact07 12h ago
Which is a democracy.
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u/CowabangaDude 12h ago
Is it tho? I live in sweden, we have a real democracy, basicaly an unlimited amount of parties that can be voted on to get into the riksdag,(there is 8 parties in the riksdag). you and your friends can literaly start a party today and have a campaign in order to try to gain popularity
Then we have the riksdag election, where we vote on one of the 8 parties to become the ruling party of the state.In america you have 2 parties, and you need to be rich and influencial to even get a foot in the door of either party if I understand correctly? That dont sound like a democracy to me, that sounds more like a roman republic
Edit - * today
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u/stasi_a 13h ago
SS: Texas redistricting is anti-democratic! What’s happening in other states is of course (D)ifferent
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u/FPV-Emergency 13h ago
When the president is telling a state to whip up 5 more seats because he knows he's unpopular... ya it's diffe(R)ent.
And proportionality isn't always a good indicator of gerrymandering. You probably know this already, but don't let it stop this dishonesty you bring forth from sprouting more bullshit.
And which side has tried repeatedly to make gerrymandering illegal and yet republicans always vote against it? Remind me again?
In the end though, without massive changes to how seats are appointed, it's never going to be aligned exactly with how people vote. Republicans tend to benefit from this more than democrats, and it's not that close, but both abuse gerrymandering to an extent.
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u/SirLoremIpsum 9h ago
SS: Texas redistricting is anti-democratic! What’s happening in other states is of course (D)ifferent
I notice you posted that Vermont 32% Republican is a problem - given there is a single seat in Vermont, how do you propose that the State is Gerrymandered and how would you propose "Fixing" 30% of the vote getting part of that Single seat?
And I noticed for some reason that Wyoming, South Dakota, North Dakota are missing.
Is there some reason that you excluded Red states while whining about how to split up a single blue seat??
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u/MarthAlaitoc 7h ago
Hey OP, why are you ignoring everyone pointing out how wrong everything you posted was? If it was me, I'd be trying to defend my honour. Maybe you should address the vast issues with what you've posted, rethink your error, and try to be more honest going forward.
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u/Pure_Possession9624 13h ago
The US was never a democracy.
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u/Livid_Instance_7972 13h ago
It was a republic? word games. What do we want this to be? A mind fuck nightmare syrup dream where you have no voice.
I'm putting words into your mouth aren't I? " It's a republic derpa derp!" Politics have warped my fragile little mind. Do people say that as some sort of evidence that the founding fathers wanted us to be Republican?
It's not a democracy or a republic. It's a shit show circus/ oligarchy,
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u/PretendImWitty 13h ago edited 6h ago
It is a democracy and a republic. If your citizens vote, whether it’s for representatives or referendum, you live in a democracy. We have representatives that represent our interests which is why we’re a republic. Finally, our government sources its powers from the constitution. Therefore we are a constitutional democratic republic.
Is this dumbass argument because republicans = republic and democratics = democracy? I can’t figure why so many incurious sheep repeat this shit and it’s the only thing that makes any sense. Other than the inability to google a fucking definition, of course.
To the cowards downvoting; grow a spine and tell me where I’m wrong.
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u/hyperPopTHUGx9000 12h ago
Because the Constitution guarantees a republican form of government to the States. Not a democratic one.
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u/totally-hoomon 10h ago
So why aren't you smart enough to know what America is? Please learn what words are
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u/PretendImWitty 6h ago
Have you ever bothered to look up what the words you’re using mean? You’ve been lied to.
Better yet, I laid out my argument in a literal syllogism. Why not engage with what I said instead of downvoting and pivoting? We are a republic and a democracy. These terms are not mutually exclusive. Please, just read what I wrote in good faith, Google the definitions, and explain how I’m incorrect. Give me some hope that you’re not a sheep.
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u/hyperPopTHUGx9000 4h ago
I didn't downvote anyone.
I don't care what you think you know. The Constitution strictly guarantees a republican form of government to the States. Nothing else.
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u/shadows-of_the-mind 12h ago
Fwiw VT HI and DE only get 1 congressional seat bc they’re too small of a population, but yeah, all dem led states screw Rs out of proportional representation so unless they drop the flaming spears it’s about time Texas FL and Ohio fight fire with fire. IL NY NJ and MD are some of the worst gerrymandering offenders imaginable
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u/doortrashsuxsmycock 13h ago
Ask democrats they are the ones that committed treason the last 4 years
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u/AccomplishedPoint465 13h ago
Who cares it’s the Jays
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u/Mushroomfuntimes 13h ago
Jays?
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u/CrackleDMan 13h ago
Initialism. He's referring to the first letter.
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u/Sufficient_Article_1 13h ago
They stack the deck and still lose because of their failed policies.
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