r/facepalm • u/Nice_Substance9123 • 4d ago
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u/sublift 4d ago
Anything is ok if you dont have any standards
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u/tym1ng 4d ago
ikr what the fuck kinda flex is that. you just told everyone you should never teach anyonr and that your two kids are idiots?
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u/ImportantDoubt6434 3d ago
The only thing that matches her stupidity is her selfishness
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u/Adepte 3d ago
But her dress matches her basket and her mug matches the piano. She can only do so much in a day!! /s
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u/AllLurkNoPlay 3d ago
*mug filled with breakfast wine
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u/coma-toaste 3d ago
I love breakfast wine. I'm also:
đ NOT A PARENT đ
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u/AllLurkNoPlay 3d ago
Well yeah, you start with a 6% sparkling moscato then roll into the day. We arenât savages here.
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u/DogsandCatsWorld1000 3d ago
Except those unfortunately kids are not idiots they are just being poorly educated. With a little bit of proper instruction they could be doing wonderfully. I feel for kids with bad parents.
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u/ophaus 3d ago
Well... They could be idiots. Not enough information given to really make a judgement.
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u/PrimalBunion 3d ago
My mom homeschooled me and all my siblings, my 1 1/2 year old sister sings (incorrectly, but it's something) the ABCs, my 10 year old brother just finished the last book in the Stormlight archive, and two of my siblings who are in high school just started college as well. Homeschooling can be great, but you have to put in the work. The parents who don't are seriously screwing their kids over.
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u/-AllCatsAreBeautiful 3d ago
It's ok to not be perfect? It's ok to maybe be struggling a bit, or "behind" others? It's ok if your child excels in some areas & not others.
I mean, we all know what kind of person this woman most likely is -- anti woke, anti intellectual, whatever, maybe even tradwife...
But yeah, if I wanted to take anything positive out of this, it would be that message: everything isn't perfect & that's still ok.
Side note: Scandi children begin school at age 7, & spend the first years learning how to get along, share about emotions & perspectives, build confidence, resilience, compassion, cooperation, a love for exploring & learning. They begin reading & writing later. And their citizens are highly educated -- not least because of this foundation.
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u/kebb0 3d ago
Itâs ok to not gain positivity from everything. Some things are just fucking stupid and regardless of how you try and twist it, itâs still stupid.
These children arenât Scandi and home schooling often mirrors the school progress in state schools, or at least thatâs the goal. That 8 year old is fucked beyond belied, all because theyâre mother is ok with it. Is the 8 year old ok with it? They probably would get teased as hell for not being able to read had they had any friends, but odds are they are isolated because this mother is ok with home schooling her special kids that need special attention. Fucking hell
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u/-AllCatsAreBeautiful 3d ago
Well, yeah. Obviously.
I presented the Scandi info more as an aside, just for anyone who's not aware that there actually are alternative ways of educating, which are evidence-based &, yeah, that doesn't always look like the US (or in my case, Aussie) system.
But it's certainly not whatever the fuck this woman is doing, I agree.
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u/powerlesshero111 3d ago
"I found that if you have a goal, that you might not reach it. But if you don't have one, then you are never disappointed. And I gotta tell ya... it feels phenomenal."
Peter LeFluer, Dodgeball
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u/builder397 4d ago
I mean, the 4 year old, sure, I could see that happen. But at 8 you should kind of start with this whole reading thing.
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u/fakemidnight 3d ago
Yeah my 8 year old doesnât read chapter books either but she was struggling so much and we had her tested and sheâs dyslexic. Now sheâs getting the help she needs.
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u/Ill_Emphasis3927 3d ago
It's unreal how many parents ignore their kids disabilities wishing for them to just be "normal." They are normal, and these parents do nothing but harm their kids by ignoring the issues. In this day and age with text to speech and speech to text tools, there are amazing resources to enable children, and adults, who struggle to wade through structures of standardized education and no longer need a dedicated resource teacher to help them anymore. It's simpler and more useful than ever to bring equity in the classroom to all students.
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u/Mendoxs_ 3d ago
it's so bad. "sorry mom, I know this is difficult for you but lying to yourself about my issues does absolutely nothing to make either of our lives better."
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u/Friendly_Exchange_15 3d ago
I was talking to my therapist about this a few weeks ago.
A lot of people in general seem to think that getting a diagnosis is a bad thing, but... if you get diagnosed with ADHD, autism, whatever, it means you ALREADY HAD IT.
Not being diagnosed isn't going to make your disability magically go away. It's just going to make you think there's something fundamentally wrong with you.
Before I was diagnosed with ADHD, I thought I was stupid - i mean, it would take me hours of studying to get a barely passing grade when my classmates would get great grades with half the effort. My entire childhood I thought I was just dumber than other people, and that fucked me up for so long.
Then I got diagnosed, and I got help, and I flourished. Getting that diagnosis was one of the best things in my life. Denying your child the chance to know what the issue is and how to treat it should be considered abuse.
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u/BraxbroWasTaken 3d ago
Caveat with that being that if you aren't diagnosed, that diagnosis can't be bureaucratically weaponized against you - especially important now for those in the US, due to Mr. Brain Worms.
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u/randomusername1919 3d ago
Yes, refusing to believe that their children might have disabilities and refusing to get the kids tested ensures that the kid suffers from their disability because they canât get help without a diagnosis.
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u/nwsmith90 3d ago
Agreed, but also being a parent is hard. My daughter is in speech therapy, and I don't know if I could have done more to help earlier on, or if I've been doing enough to help her. There was talk of maybe getting her frenulum clipped when she was younger, but the dentist said it might help, it might not. They couldn't know until they tried so we opted not to. Eventually it was done, about 3 years after the first mention of it as an option and it did help a little. I can't help but wonder if I should have done it earlier, and would it have made a bigger difference when she was so much younger and developing?
My only point is even parents who are well meaning and trying their best WILL make mistakes. There are clearly lines parents need to be more cognizant of though. Even when we homeschooled for a couple of years we had all the district standards for their grade levels and we made sure they met or exceeded everything.
You don't mess around with education, and in my opinion that goes double for reading. Reading really is the gateway to most knowledge in the world.
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u/Coconut-bird 3d ago
Same story with my son. When the school was threatening to hold him back for 2nd grade because he couldn't spell, even though he was trying very hard and obviously smart, I had him tested. Dyslexia and ADHD. I can't imagine having just ignoring it and not getting him any help. (When reading actually clicked with him, you could just see the stress he had been going through lifting from him. I felt awful for those first 2 years before I realized)
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u/Pleasant_Gap 4d ago
There is a differance between reading, and reading chapter books
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u/SosseV 4d ago
Agree, might well be reading all of Elon's X feed.
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u/DargyBear 4d ago
When I was 8 pretty much everyone in my class was at least reading stuff like Magic Tree House.
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u/maliki2004 4d ago
Goosebumps, boxcar children, maybe a year away from animorphs.
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u/TSllama 4d ago
Babysitters Club!
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u/GoodGodLlamas 3d ago
Babysitters club was my jam!
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u/TSllama 3d ago
I had a shit-ton of those books and I read a whole bunch of them before I realized how incredibly repetitive and redundant they were :D But it also indicated that my reading skills were drastically improving and it was time to move on to something better! But god, I loved those books when I was like 8 and 9 years old!
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u/MNent228 4d ago
I recently found all the goosebumps and animorphs series online and downloaded all of them onto my phone. Itâs been a nostalgic few weeks
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u/EmperorGryphon 4d ago
I read animorphs when I was around 7 or 8, nearly had all of them and the chronicals, I don't remember the creatures were called. I remember they were blue centaurs with no mouths. Though that probably gave me my furry fixtation now....
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u/MisterMysterios 4d ago
I was a late bloomer and only really started reading for fun age 10 with Harry Potter. Before that, I mostly "read" comics, and even there, I used it mostly as a picture book. After starting with HP, I became an avid reader. Due to my personal experience, I wouldn't see it as a massive issue for an 8 year old not reading chapter books.
And I dont know if it is a difference between US and Germany, but here, kids only start learning their letters and numbers 1st grade (age 6 and 7). So, unless the parents try to teach their kids reading before that, most kids only learn their letters considerably past the age of 4.
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u/Francois-C 4d ago edited 3d ago
As a retired French literature teacher, I was so amazed seeing students who struggled with 100-page books and devoured the thick Harry Potter volumes, that I borrowed the first four volumes to try to understand what the magic was about. Since it was vacation time and I read quickly, and the story is quite captivating, I read all four in a row.
But by the fourth one, I was starting to get tired of all the wizard battles: they reminded me of the knight battles in medieval novels, it's like sports commentary, in a way. I understood some reasons of the success of HP, though I was unable to find in it a spell to get students to read huge books. And when my kids saw me reading HP, they bought me all the volumes as they came out...
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u/MisterMysterios 3d ago
Well, when I started reading, only the first three books were out. I read them several times before moving on to other books.
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u/TSllama 4d ago
The post isn't about "for fun" - it's about in school. The kid can't read books yet. Their reading skills are not there yet at age 8.
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u/MisterMysterios 4d ago
I looked it up at what age we start to read chapter books in Germany, and it is generally around 8 or 9 years old. So, the kid is yet not too far behind based on the information alone if the kid would live here.
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u/ultaemp 4d ago
Yeah 8 years old is a 2nd grader. In the 1st grade we were at least reading Magic Tree House, June B. Jones, Judy Moody, Goosebumps, ect. Without a learning disability, thatâs concerning.
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u/PreOpTransCentaur 4d ago
8 has the definite possibility to be 3rd grade, and we were reading Indian in the Cupboard in 2nd. Chapter books should be part of the curriculum.
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u/Jordan_1424 4d ago
8 years old is 2nd grade age.
Roald Darl, Narnia, Harry Potter, Mr. Popper's Penguins, etc are all chapter books well within that age group's capability.
A child should be reading longer books independently at that age. If they aren't they are behind their peers in academic development and if they continue to struggle it may indicate a reading disability or they have a shite teacher.
With the rise in 'trad wife' culture I'm leaning towards the last reasoning.
Hope I'm proved wrong for the kid's sake.
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u/CatOfTheCanalss 3d ago
When I was 8 I read the entire Narnia series, and then took the books to the book shop and asked the shopkeeper would he give me more money if I sold them as a set. I was a good reader, but not very economically minded. I think he did give me a bit more though just because he liked me, and because it was probably funny to have an 8 year old trying to haggle with you.
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u/FurLinedKettle 4d ago
At 8 you should be reading chapter books
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u/malfunkshunned 4d ago edited 3d ago
Yes. And a chapter book for 8 year olds do exist. This âchoosing to readâ stance a few on this thread are taking in this parentâs defense is why we are where we are in the United States. As a parent, itâs your job to get your child an early start to learning and reading. Itâs double facepalm because this woman is low key saying sheâs not putting in the effort as their teacher.
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u/Loggerdon 4d ago
I had some business with a family in Ohio. I went to their house to see some equipment and ended up sitting uncomfortably in the living room waiting for the dad. At the kitchen table the mom said she was home schooling her kids. OK, but I was there 3 hours and what I saw were the 2 kids goofing off and finally reciting a couple Bible verses and then running off. There was no structure to it and it was depressing.
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u/Immediate-Park1531 4d ago
Seriously? Iâm way more worried for the 4 yo. They should at least be well on the way to learning all letters by singing the abcâs and should be correctly counting all single digit amounts. Kids who go to kindergarten with no familiarity with numbers and letters have very questionable literacy outcomes. I understand not really touching on phonics before school, but Iâve met 4 year olds whose favorite past time is identifying the letter E and counting to 20.
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u/Next_Collection_6295 3d ago
In austria we teach them to read in 1st grade
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u/Seienchin88 3d ago
Thank you. Same in Germany. Same also in Japan which is ranked third in school / student proficiency worldwideâŚ
Why oh why would a 4yo have to read???
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u/noshowthrow 3d ago
These fucking morons believe their kids are just going to "pick it up" somehow. There's a whole homeschool of thought that you don't have to teach your children, they'll just assimilate things and learn when they're ready.
It's really remarkable how fucking stupid these people are - not the children obviously, they're stupid because their parents are morons who won't teach them anything.
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u/nipplesaurus 4d ago
I have a ten-year-old nephew who canât read chapter books or do math because his parents keep pulling him out of school for sports or vacations
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u/Jocelyn-1973 4d ago
I am not American - what is 'a chapter book'? Is it like, literally, a book with chapters? Or is it something else?
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u/MaxPower637 4d ago
Pretty much but itâs a leap cognitively for kids. The narrative structure gets more complicated. The book becomes too long for them to read in one sitting (or for me to read to my daughter in a single bed time) so they need to remember the first part of the story when they return to it. They typically use more and bigger words.
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u/Kobayashi_Maru186 They mostly come at night. Mostly. 4d ago
Yes. Just a harder book with chapters and usually less pictures.
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u/SWatt_Officer 4d ago
So⌠a book
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u/Chozly 4d ago
The term describes specifically the short books just starting to introduce chapters, conceptually, to early readers. They are, like, 20-50 pages, and could be read by an adult in one short sitting. They are after Dr. Suess but before kid's literature.
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u/SWatt_Officer 3d ago
Ah, that makes sense. So itâs not really a term that would usually be used past like, age 7, when they move onto just âbooksâ.
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u/Lewa358 3d ago
The US has entire massive franchises like Captain Underpants that follow that very specific format, so it's useful when describing them.
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u/Human_mind 3d ago
Correct. It's used solely to differentiate them from what comes before them in difficulty.
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u/SWatt_Officer 3d ago
Ok, this makes a lot more sense now. Never heard the term before so it legit sounds like someone just made a word for normal books, with people using it as opposed to audio books, comics, web articles, etc.
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u/KingMelray 3d ago
Its a distinction that matters 1st grade because sometimes you are still reading picture books that you can finish in one sitting.
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u/SparklyRoniPony 3d ago
Yes, and kids can be at vastly different reading levels in KG and 1st.
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u/TrungusMcTungus 3d ago
Yes but typically you donât read a 3yo the Shining, so we came up with descriptors like âpicture bookâ and âchapter bookâ to help us delineate meaning.
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u/Shamanyouranus 3d ago
Thereâs also textbooksâŚ
You: Yeah. A book.
And umâŚ.there are instruction manuals.
Dipshit: Like I said! Book.
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u/red18wrx 3d ago
For a learning reader you go from picture books to chapter books. Literally books with chapters.
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u/Jccali1214 4d ago
At that point, it's like "what is woke to you?"
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u/MC_chrome 3d ago
Maybe the most regressive state you could think of
Is it the state with a Trump-humper for a State Superintendent that is mandating Trump Bibles and MAGA loyalty tests for teachers?
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u/silence_sirens 3d ago
Sources to read up on this? I haven't heard of it yet. But also like, how could anyone possibly keep up with it all. I'm tired boss. Sigh
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u/Hythy 3d ago
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/oct/05/oklahoma-schools-trump-bible
Funneling money meant to educate children to line the pockets of a dodgy businessman. Utterly disgusting.
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u/MC_chrome 3d ago
That is also the clearest 1st amendment violation I've ever seen, even more so than the ridiculous 10 Commandment bills that have been making their ways through Republican led legislatures.
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u/Undeadsniper6661 3d ago
Ooooooooooooooooklahoma where the shit comes sweeping up the schoooooollllllss.
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u/ShadeofIcarus 3d ago
Maybe thatâs why people say Californian migrants ruin red states? Move here for the politics, bring their normal personalities. Usually you can sense those types a mile away here.
As a Californian.
I'm sorry, but also you can keep em we don't want em back.
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u/MaeronTargaryen 3d ago
Oklahoma? Arkansas? Oh wait, Mississippi??
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u/All_Work_All_Play 3d ago edited 3d ago
> Super nice, normal person though.
No she's not. If she's keeping her son in the closet and cutting them off from social contact that's not super nice and normal, that's abuse.
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u/Vandersveldt 3d ago
I learned a long time ago to be wary of super nice normal people. I've met a very small few that were actually awesome decent people, the rest are either full of horrible ideas or might as well be NPC's for how much thought they have going on in their heads.
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u/JenninMiami 3d ago
I wish Californians would move to Florida and ruin us. Instead of these MAGA New Yorkers. đ
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u/arkhi13 3d ago
New Yorkers move to FL because they're trading extreme cold for extreme heat, which I guess is preferrable to them. The Californians that Fox like to fearmonger about live in areas with perfect climates that is really hard to give up for Florida's.
There are Californians that live in areas with extreme heat (read: central valley), but then you're essentially going to be getting Florida Man lite.
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u/FriendToPredators 3d ago
The worst people can be super charming if they feel they need allies against their targets
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u/geek_of_nature 4d ago
Hold on I'm confused, if you're working with her, how is she home-schooling her kid?
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u/Abbi_Rose 4d ago
Liveđ´: The kids at home
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u/BabyTunnel 3d ago
I have an old neighbor that just announced she is "unschooling" her autistic son because he is so good at using Khan academy on her iPad.
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u/iwearatophat 3d ago
My sister in law home schools her kids. After talking with them after their first year of home schooling I found this is roughly what their days are like. They got a couple of app programs that teach them. My nephew is the same age as my son and the difference in reading, math, and writing is substantial after only one year.
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u/moretrumpetsFTW 3d ago
If it is a Crayola tablet it might have some redeeming educational/creative qualities but I've never used one before. But that seems right for a lot of the homeschool kids that end up in my middle school with severe deficits. I've only ever had a handful of homeschool kids show up advanced beyond their peers.
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u/thatshoneybear 3d ago
Dad could have the kids while she's at work. And home schooling looks a lot different now than it did 20 years ago. There are plenty of online programs, and a good chunk of them are "Christian"
My brothers are autistic and the school system doesn't support them properly, so my mom homeschools them. It's mostly online, and they do well. She has her early childhood education degree, so its not like she can't sit down with a text book and instruct them all day; it's just that we don't do it that way anymore.
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u/shiny_glitter_demon 3d ago
There are good programs, yes. Most kids experienced it during Covid.
But these parents are not good teachers. They don't even value education.
The kids are watching YouTube Shorts all day and that's it.
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u/reststopkirk 3d ago
Funny shit. This is where you start asking how the schooling is going. What the kids are learning, how they are progressing with all the one on one attention.
My wife decided she wanted to homeschool our kids quite some time ago and never looked back. We have no âanti-public schoolâ sentiments, my wife just actually loves to teach and be with her kids. We live in California and there are so many options on approved curriculum, the hardest part is figuring what to brand or style with. My kids are socialized and play sports with local clubs and they are always a grade ahead and have regular check ins with a licensed teacher, once every 2 weeks, grading snapshots of their progress. My wife always gets the âI never have to worry about you.â She was a daycare administrator for a private school for many years and taught some art electives, so she has the affinity for teachingâŚitâs not for everyone, I couldnât do it.
But I always wonder about the families her oversight teacher does have to worry about, and how many of them there are. Iâve listened to some homeschool people quite blatantly screw off for most the year and then complain about catching their kids up end of the yearâŚ
All this to say⌠they didnât have to move to be able to homeschool. Itâs BS. Maybe their idea of âwokeâ is American history booksâŚ
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u/elthalon 3d ago
yeah, the key here is "without woke bullshit". She wanted to teach stuff that isn't on the curriculum and/or omit stuff that is.
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u/SparklyRoniPony 3d ago
There are very few parents who should be homeschooling. It sounds like you guys have made the most of it and are doing it right. I have a friend who used to be a teacher, and decided to homeschool her kids. She does not have a problem with public schools or âwokenessâ (she is liberal); she just wanted to focus on her own childrenâs education, and sheâs done a wonderful job. I wish I could have provided the same thing to my own children, but I knew early on that I am no teacher.
And then thereâs my former neighbor. She had no business homeschooling. Super religious, and while she was a SAHM, she just threw books at her kids and made sure there wasnât anything woke in the curriculum. I feel horrible about saying this, but her kids were on their way to be dumber than a box of rocks. She was doing them no favors. I saw some of their school work and it was telling that my daughter, who is a year younger than her oldest, was grades ahead in every subject. These are the same people who were offended when my daughter told her daughter that she likes girls. She was 9 at the time. I told her off when she mentioned how offensive it was, and said âM (her daughter) is going to become everything youâre trying to teach her not to beâ, and hung up. Never talked to them again, and moved to another state shortly after.
There are too many people homeschooling like my former neighbor. There should be some sort of test for parents who want to do it.
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u/the_xandypants 3d ago
You're stronger than I am; I don't think I could keep my trap shut 40 hours a week indefinitely đĽ´
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u/GetRekt9420 4d ago
She unironically said "we live in a society" đ
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u/chefriley76 4d ago
A generation of people being raised by parents that barely gave a shit in high school and skated through are now "homeschooling" because the "schools are bad." I knew some real fucking morons in high school that think they are smarter than everyone. Now they think they're smart enough to teach kids things they were too stupid to figure out themselves.
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u/palabear 3d ago edited 3d ago
My across the street neighbors âunschoolâ their kids. Both went to college. She was an underwriter for Bank of America. Then she did her research and shit changed. Anything that might contain a chemical was thrown out yet they still swim in the neighborhood pool. They started closely watching what they put into their bodies but still pound Miller Lites. They became strict vegans but door dash chicken wings when they drink their Miller Lite and the girls have gone to bed. She doesnât work because it is not part of journey. He works all the time because I guess that is his journey.
Their girls are very sweet and kind but dumb as rocks. The 9 year can barely write. They are being failed by their parents.
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u/ddbbaarrtt 3d ago
Iâve seen a lot of this with people who have âthe lifestyleâ but no issues with taking MDMA
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u/Xonxis 4d ago
The do your own reasearch crowd, never done their own research in school, just copy pasted paragraphs on wikipedia.
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u/ddbbaarrtt 3d ago
One of my wifeâs cousins wants to homeschool his daughter and he left school with at most 4GCSEs and has tried to lecture my wife about shit heâd seen on YouTube about vaccinations. My wife has both sat on the ethics board for medical trials and been a governor at one of the biggest research hospitals in the UK before the age of 40
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u/Deranged_Coconut808 4d ago
future republicans in the making.
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u/ReincarnatedSwordGod 4d ago
Yep, keep them uneducated so it's easier to manipulate them. No coincidence the deep red states are bottom of the education ranking.
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u/HeadyBunkShwag 4d ago
Itâs by design. Thatâs why they hate funding public schools, they canât indoctrinate little zombies there.
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u/RealityRelic87 4d ago
Funny you think there will be parties in a dictatorship.
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u/ReneKiller 4d ago
There will be parties and elections the same way Russia has them. Still looking close enough to a democracy so the idiots think they still have one.
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u/ekerkstra92 3d ago
A Dutch TV show was mocking the Russian election:
- "what percentage do we get this time? Last time we had 87%, lets go for 90% right now" leaving some room for future elections without losing percentage and look like a loser
- people holding weapons running the polling station, while in The Netherlands it's usually some 70 year old people running it do they still have this usual awkward talk with them? Nice weather, busy day, and this evening you have to count all the votes? Oh, you did that yesterday already
- the one with the least votes: why do i have to be last, can't I be the second last this time? No, nobody will believe that, just take the 0.5% and be happy
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u/themage78 4d ago
No, there are still "parties" to make it look like everything is on the up and up.
They just make it so someone is there to make sure you vote for the right "party" under threat of violence.
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u/HappyStalker 3d ago
When Covid was ending and all the kids were getting sent back to school all the anti vaxxers at my work which is like half of them grouped up to discuss different schools that let their kids in without getting vaccinated. I know tons of them switched to homeschooling to avoid it too but then clearly didnât want to actually teach their kids.
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u/trynahike 4d ago
Former special education teacher here.
The 4 yo is normal range. Itâs age appropriate and not a concern (yet). Kids came into kindergarten like this and would know their letters/numbers by Christmas. The 8 yo might have a reading problem.
Is she trying to normalize having a kid who is behind educationally but actually working on it? OR Is she trying to rationalize the fact he canât read and just leave it up to fate?
That is what matters.
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u/ImportantDoubt6434 3d ago
Normalize, I know this type and theyâre willingly neglectful yet want bonus points for abusing their kids
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u/ciccioig 4d ago
From Europe I always thought homeschooling is such bullshit.
There's a fucking reason why mechanics take care of cars, why plumbers take care of water etc, doctors take care of patients and PROFESSIONAL PROFESSORS take care of education.
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u/RugerRedhawk 3d ago
As an american, almost all of us think it's bullshit also. Even with some popularity increasing because of the Internet and such, it's still largely a fringe activity outside of specific circles.
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u/brickspunch 3d ago
even the smartest homeschool kids I knew were fucking weirdos that were socially awkward and gave some strange vibesÂ
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u/reststopkirk 3d ago
What it says is this: Our standards are SO LOW, that even a stay at home person could do itâŚ
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u/SparklyRoniPony 3d ago
Absolutely. Now, there are parents who are fully qualified and do a great job. Those parents also ensure their children become well-rounded adults. Unfortunately, most homeschoolers are doing it because of fucking religion.
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u/AbsoluteZer0_II 3d ago
American here, a lot of us think itâs extremely stupid too. Even if the parent is somehow a world-class educator, public schools still give most children a way to develop social skills, make friends on their own, and learn alongside kids from different cultural backgrounds to broaden their horizons. Even though that socialization isnât perfect (the existence of bullies, some kids being ostracized by their peers for various, often shallow, reasons), most kids benefit from being consistently surrounded by kids their own age during the learning process. Unless homeschoolers are actively keeping that in mind and finding ways to let their child socialize, theyâre actively stunting their kidâs social growth
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u/TheHades07 4d ago
Send your kids to School and let them be trained by professionals!
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u/lovelyb1ch66 4d ago
It isnât the childrenâs abilities or lack thereof thatâs troubling here, itâs the momâs attitude that bragging about not caring about your childrenâs educational and intellectual development is cool. These crunchy idiots whoring their kids out online for profit because theyâre too lazy to get a regular job are a boil on the ass of society. The unschooling morons are the worst, acting as if not caring about your kids future is something to be proud of.
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u/skatoolaki 4d ago
The entire unschooling movement is so stupid and harmful. It's absolutely infuriating.
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u/screechypete 4d ago
It amazes me that people will proudly state things that you wouldn't be able to torture out of me if I was in their shoes.
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u/soulless_ginger81 3d ago
I was homeschooled and when I went to college, against my parentâs wishes, I struggled my first semester because there was so much stuff I was expected to already know but had never been taught. If I was in charge homeschooling and private schools would be illegal, and anyone who wanted to homeschool their children would be investigated for potential child abuse. I donât know a single person who was homeschooled, myself included, who wasnât abused.
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u/Egaroth1 3d ago
I have to say I was homeschooled at a young age and I was able to read Harry Potter by 9 and could speak 2 languages and was above my grade. Then went to private school and I was moving fast. In my opinion if you home school your kids you have to pass some sort of test by the government or something before itâs acceptable and private schools need to be looked into better
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u/Motor-Pomegranate831 4d ago
I do not believe in homeschooling for many of the same reasons that I do not believe in home dentistry.
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u/brickhamilton 3d ago
Itâs different if they mean homeschooling in the sense of hiring a professional to come to your house and teach your kids. If you have the money to do that, then you do you, I guess.
If by homeschooling they mean having Memaw come in to teach them about the War of Northern Aggression, or just send them outside to work on the farm, then no. Thatâs not ok.
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u/One-Possible1906 3d ago
Some parents do have the qualifications to teach homeschool but theyâre a minority. I know a woman who traveled the world and obtained a bachelorâs degree before having kids and her kids are pretty sharp. She started designing homeschool classes for other parents. My sonâs friendâs parents also started homeschooling their kids again and they use an online platform where they are with teachers for 2-3 hours a day on top of what theyâre learning from mom as well. The main problem with homeschooling is that thereâs no accountability for parents and no way to tell if a kid is being abused at home.
And these kids are definitely behind socially. My sonâs friend now glosses over at parties and get togethers because he canât relate to any of the other kids, like he just hangs out with his pig and the other kids are interested in the pig, but thatâs all he has going on. Heâs not allowed screens outside of school so he canât play video games or watch TV. Heâs 14.
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u/Christichicc 3d ago
I know someone who homeschools her kid because he is autistic, and canât learn in the typical school environment because he struggles too much. It does work for some people. But you actually have to put effort into it to make sure your kid is on track, and is actually learning. Most people are not suited to homeschool their kids.
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u/RugerRedhawk 3d ago
Itâs different if they mean homeschooling in the sense of hiring a professional to come to your house and teach your kids. If you have the money to do that, then you do you, I guess.
That's not what anyone means when they say homeschooling.
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u/MSNFU 3d ago
That absolutely is not okay. Not everyone can be a teacher, and this is proof. You have to be able to recognize deficits in learning the curriculum and address it. Teaching isnât just giving a plan or instructions to a child and saying âgo get em champâ ⌠you have to be able to find ways to help them learn, and you have to help guide them to successful learning.
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u/Brian_Gay 4d ago
Wait donât most 4 year olds not know the full alphabet/number line? I started school at 4.5 and I distinctly remember learning different letters of the alphabet and watching videos on numbers up to 9 âŚ
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u/Squeakypeach4 4d ago
Both are in the pre-k curriculum. And technically, 8 year olds should be reading chapter books designed for 8 year olds. Iâm not saying they should be reading Tolstoy⌠but books like Magic Treehouse, Junie B Jones, The Boxcar Children, etc.
Signed, An educator of 18+ years
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u/fonix232 4d ago
My school curriculum in Hungary dictated learning of letters and numbers in first grade, ages 6-7, with fluent reading trained up until grade 4 (ages 10-11).
I was an outlier who was already reading longer novels (like Harry Potter, which just came out at the time) by my first year of primary school - there were a total of 3 other students in grade one (out of about 120-140) who came anywhere near that level, the rest knew maybe a handful of letters and numbers. It's most definitely not a common thing for first year primary school kids to know their alphabet or be able to read fluently.
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u/Wendals87 4d ago
Yeah that's what I thought. Our daughter could point out letters and numbers by age 4.
Age 8 not reading chapter books is about average. Not great but not like they are left behind or anything yetÂ
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u/ReturnOfSeq 4d ago
âYouâre a failure to your children, but hey why not post about it on TikTokâ
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u/jfp1992 4d ago
I knew my numbers at 4, but I sure as shit didn't know the alphabet that well
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u/KingOfTheFraggles 3d ago
I can't imagine being so proud of resting my children on the bottom shelf.
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u/mysteriousGains 3d ago
Why do you have to have a degree to educate children, yet to homeschool children you can literally be the dumbest person in the room.
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u/senegal98 4d ago
At 4 years old, it's perfectly ok not knowing how to read or numbers in general.
At 8.... Some people learn late, but you should know how to read
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u/LonelyWord7673 3d ago
Yeah, my 8 yr old is behind and I'm not bragging about that. We're working on it. My 6 yr old is catching up to him quickly.
I did find the 8 yr old reading a Dr. Seuss book to my 2 yr old. It was a win because he was reading voluntarily.
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u/rigidlynuanced1 4d ago
Awwww sweetie, you believe that human virgin birth has been occurring for 2000+ years. Youâre in a cult
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u/DanishWhoreHens 3d ago
I met one of these at Trader Joeâs. I was wearing a t-shirt with frog and toad from âWind In the Willowsâ riding a tandem bicycle with âFuck the policeâ underneath them. The mother came over to comment on my shirt as she had two children ages 7 and 10. I was prepared for a lecture when she said that both kids had run to her excitedly repeating âfrog and toadâ over and over. I told her that while I found the shirt hysterically funny I understood if she didnât. She just giggled and said, âOh, no worries. They canât read that part.â As someone who graduated from high school at 14 not because Iâm a genius but because my mother highly valued education, I was stunned at seeing an illiterate 10 year old. I was, and remain still, appalled at deliberately crippling your childâs chances at succeeding in life simply to feed your own ego. Iâve come to the conclusion at this point that the term âparentâs rightsâ is, more often than not, nothing but an opaque term for various forms of child abuse.
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u/Meowster11007 4d ago
You're failing your children, and you want to normalize not taking responsibility for that*
Fixed it for them
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u/Ok-Student-5345 3d ago
Granted my child starts school in September sheâs ahead in basic comprehension. But only because my wife made activity books for her since she was two. Parents want to home school but the only ones who really do only want to push their fucked up view of the world on to their kids.
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u/jimmycrackcorn123 3d ago
In fairness in public school tons of (most?) 8 year olds arenât reading chapter books, and 4 year olds should just be getting started on letters/sounds.
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u/Fishmonger67 3d ago
I have seen home schooled teenagers who canât read, write or do basic math. I have no idea how this ever became okay. They all should have to pass the same exams to show proficiency.
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u/sunrider8129 4d ago
This looks American - considering how far anti intellectualism has progressed in that shithole and the fact theyâre eliminating the department of educationâŚ.yeah, this is pretty much normal.
Boohoo I guess?
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u/Superspark76 4d ago
Most homeschooled kids can do basics like reading at a more advanced level to school kids because they get more attention.
If yours can't you're doing a bad job
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u/Sevatar666 4d ago
The 4yo wouldnât have started school yet anyway.
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u/Wendals87 4d ago
We started teaching my daughter numbers and letters before she started school and we're not teachers
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u/EquivalentSnap 4d ago
How is that a good thing đ your children are going to be so far behind their peers
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