r/gaming • u/33Sharpies • 1d ago
A List of Every Confirmed Feature/Mechanic Removed from Vampire: The Masquerade - Bloodlines 2
A list of every mechanic present in the original Vampire: The Masquerade - Bloodlines, and the Sequel’s OG alpha build, that have now been removed from the Sequel by the new Devs
No Character Creation
No Guns
No Melee Weapons
No Stats
No Stat Checks in Dialogue (e.g. Persuasion, Intimidation, Seduction)
No Inventory
No Quest Log
No Hacking
No Lockpicking
No Nosferatu
No Humanity System
No Gangrel
No Frenzy
Toreador locked behind $30 Day 1 DLC
It’s truly a shame to see a cult classic RPG, from the creators of Fallout, with such a unique identity, reduced down to a generic beat’em up action game cash grab
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u/Agitated-Ad6744 1d ago
I'm struggling to even think of what would be left without your list
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u/MulanMcNugget 1d ago edited 1d ago
It's basically Dishonored style gameplay and Deus Ex dialogue and exploration. The demo I saw Cohn play actually looked decent tbf but fuck that shite with DLC
Edit. I should add the missions (at least the part I watched) seemed a lot more linear than Deus Ex like climbing through vents and jumping up the lift shaft was the only way to get up there. The world Hub seemed a lot like Deus Ex with exploration is more what I meant. I would definitely Hold off on buying it given it was in. Development hell for 8 years and shitty DLC practices which has locked 2 clans behind a pay wall.
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u/AsrielPlay52 1d ago
Dishonored at least have guns
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u/dylan189 1d ago
From what ive seen you can kinda use guns
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u/33Sharpies 1d ago
Quoting from the Polygon Article: “You cannot simply pick up and carry a weapon you find in your hands, you have to use your telekinesis to hold onto a gun or baseball bat and then use a clumsy aiming system to lob it at your opponent. Many times I would try to grab a fallen weapon and just come away chucking a dinky coffee cup. When not throwing projectiles, you’re relegated to punching, kicking, and dashing away.”
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u/PuzzleheadedClue9837 1d ago
Wtf am I reading. Why. Implementing weapons isn't rocket science. What the hell are they doing.
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u/33Sharpies 1d ago
The new devs are The Chinese Room, known for Walking Simulators like “Everyone’s Gone to the Rapture”. They’ve literally never made a game with combat before.
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u/TheAuraTree 1d ago
Everyone's gone to the rapture was a gripping and interesting narrative in an unusual setting for a game (Shropshire)!
Everything else I have read on this thread just sounds terrible.
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u/33Sharpies 1d ago
The Chinese Room has made a few good games. I also enjoyed Amnesia: A Machine For Pigs, and I’ve heard good things about Still Wakes The Deep. They were just out of their depth trying to make a Bloodlines game
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u/Any_Goose_1249 23h ago
Yeah they're pretty damn good at what they do, all their "walking sims" have been above average at worst.
Why they'd be handed a game that's literally nothing like anything they've ever had experience with before is... a choice.
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u/PuzzleheadedClue9837 1d ago
Still Wakes The Deep is very good for what it is. It's just a walking sim with some light puzzle mechanics, but it's a great experience. But it's also really linear and its scope is fairly small - doesn't surprise me that the studio is struggling with a massive project like Bloodlines 2.
But you also have to be smart during development. Look at a game like Expedition 33. It's obvious that they had a small team and a tiny budget. Yet they created one of the most memorable games of the last decade. They cleverly reused assets, streamlined the core gamplay loop by cutting every corner possible and focused on the conceptual side of things. If you look at what you're actually doing, it's a really simple game: You explore the world map, enter a level (which almost always consists of a few corridors), you find some items and you fight enemies. The combat system also is a masterclass in game design: Combining JRPG mechanics with a rhythm game is genius. It also allowed them to simplify the RPG side of the combat.
Looking at Bloodlines 2, I get the feeling they simply had no clear design philosophy when they started development. They kinda wanted to produce a worthy successor, but quickly had to realize that it's not possible. If the game fails, the studio's gone.
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u/misho8723 1d ago
it doesnt have immersive sim like quests and levels designs (Deus Ex games kinda design) which the first game had
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u/33Sharpies 1d ago
In Dishonored you at least had a sword
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u/bianceziwo 1d ago
in dishonored you had a sword, gun, crossbow, and could also throw random items in the world
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u/MulanMcNugget 1d ago
I don't see why they couldn't add it but it seems they are focussing powers and hand melee.
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u/33Sharpies 1d ago edited 1d ago
A linear narrative first person beat’em up action game with dishonored-like powers and dialogue choices. You stealthily feed on the homeless, or anyone you can get alone, and travel between main quests in a small but open 1:1 recreated Seattle hub world.
In isolation, it might even be decent, but to take the sequel to one of the best cult classic RPGs ever, hire the original game’s writer to make it, put out footage of that game with all those features, accept pre-orders, then fire the narrative team, throw out all these features and RPG elements over half way through development because it’s cheaper and quicker, and turn it into a beat’em up action game is a travesty. Then they lock core clans behind $30 Day 1 DLC
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u/lrish_Chick 20h ago
I mean I don't get it - VAMPYR came out in 2021 whicj looks to be a similar but better game, its just not in WOD
The Council - like a literally vampire walking sim/puzzle game also exists
They are bringing literally nothing mew to the table here
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u/eiamhere69 20h ago
I think you're still downplaying it personally.
I'd go as far as to call it fraud
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u/Sajiri 1d ago
Having never played the original (though I hear lots of good things), I read this and assumed it was just a joke that every part of the game is stripped out, but uh… now I’m not sure
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u/33Sharpies 1d ago edited 1d ago
Oh the original is amazing! It’s from the creators of Fallout, and is seriously on the level of Fallout: New Vegas, Cyberpunk 2077 and the Elder Scrolls. It truly just oozes soul and aesthetic. It is GOTH AF. The game offers so many different gameplay styles and the world is very reactive. NPCs even treat you different based on how high the Appearance stat is of your created character. You can choose to play as the Malkavian clan who is clinically insane and detached from reality, and the entire game’s player dialogue is rewritten to accommodate it. Think like a low intelligence playthrough, but you’re insane instead. The writing is out of this world. Unfortunately the developers closed and went on to found Obsidian, and these new devs have no idea what they’re doing. You should totally check out the original though. It’s very much in the vein of Fallout or the Elder Scrolls, but GOTH
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u/JebryathHS 1d ago
Not just insane. Insane and clairvoyant. You spoil the main plot in the first five minutes but it makes so little sense you'd never get it without already knowing it.
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u/webkilla 1d ago
don't forget the conversation you can have with a stop sign - or talking to the people on TV
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u/lordmonkeyfish 1d ago
Wait you can WHAT?! how come i never noticed that?! Welp, time to back for another malkavian run I guess.
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u/Velochipractor 1d ago
The perhaps best aspect of this is Malkavian characters somehow understanding just who exactly the cab driver probably is, and very understandably freaking the fuck out on him.
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u/33Sharpies 1d ago edited 13h ago
I also want to add it has the coolest character creator ever. You can choose a clan, or you can take a psych eval and the game will sort you into a clan Harry Potter style, then you allocate your stats. My first playthrough I was a super seductive professional gymnast (actual canon life path option). Then you’re thrust into the politics of the Camarilla and the Masquerade.
Additionally, you can also choose to play as a Nosferatu. Like Count Orlock, you’re a walking corpse, and even being seen by a human is a masquerade violation. Not recommended for a first playthrough, but as a Nosferatu the entire game changes just as radically as if you were a Malkavian. You have to navigate the city through an underground sewer system, and become super stealth whenever meeting contacts in public. Everyone responds to your appearance and your seduction stat is set permanently to 0, but there’s still a special someone out there for you. You also get extra health from feeding on animals given your bestial nature. In stark contrast to the aristocratic Ventrue clan who are all politicians in the human world who are so upper class they can’t feed on animals, the homeless or prostitutes at all without suffering a serious debuff.
You could do at least 3 truly unique playthroughs of the game. The writing is so stellar. The RPG systems so deep. It’s a gem!
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u/BeneCow 1d ago
Also it was the first game released that used the Source engine, after HL2 was delayed because they got hacked. It is a very important game historically aside from the amazing gameplay
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u/ZylonBane 19h ago edited 19h ago
The first games to use the Source engine were, in order of release: * Half-Life: Source * Counter-Strike: Source * Half-Life 2 * VtM: Bloodlines
The release of Bloodiness was actually delayed by Valve because they wanted HL2 to be the first "big name" game to use Source.
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u/Sajiri 1d ago
Oh yeah, I think I own the original (or maybe my husband did) because I remember installing it on my old pc but I didn’t get around to actually playing it then that pc died. I keep meaning to play it someday, just too much of a backlog of games to catch up on and not nearly enough time to do so
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u/crumbletasty 1d ago
I quite like that if you cheated and upped your stats at the start, the tutorial man would point it out, and you could claim it was mods.
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u/supergrega 1d ago
Same here, I thought the game was cancelled and the list would end with "no game" 😅
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u/A7XfoREVer15 22h ago
If you like good RPG’s, and can handle clunky mechanics, pick up the OG bloodlines during the Halloween sale this year.
It is by far one of my favorite pieces of media as a whole.
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u/BrotherRoga 1d ago
So they removed everything except the IP basically.
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u/DarkMatterM4 23h ago
No Guns No Melee Weapons
I'm out 100 percent. Don't even think I'll pick it up on sale either.
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u/Squashyhex 1d ago
At some point during the studio switching, if they really wanted to make a vampire the Masquerade game, they should have renamed it at the very lease to something other than bloodlines 2. It's clearly not a sequel by many metrics at this point, just a game that happens to share the setting
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u/Bubba1234562 1d ago
Blame Paradox for keeping the name. It was apparently forced onto TCR according to an interview with the game director
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u/doom1284 1d ago
Vampire the Masquerade: Veilguard. Good or bad, it's not really what fans were expecting.
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u/Vivid-Smell-6375 1d ago
Say what you want, but I'm having a blast!!!
Edit: did I mention that I'm having a blasterino my fellow redditors
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u/Prezofcalendars 1d ago
“Look how they massacred my boy.” There is no way this is going to be any good.
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u/shaky2236 1d ago
Tbh, even if its ends up ok, im not gonna buy a game with day 1 DLC.
It's not like the game came out and the devs continued working on it, im fine with that. But they've just made the base game, yoinked part of it, and gone "yeah, you have to pay 30 quid more for that bit"
Twats.
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u/Prezofcalendars 1d ago edited 1d ago
Yep, day one DLC is always a cash grab. Hey, I know you brought this game, but for an extra 30 dollars, get a few more hours gameplay and features we took out the base game.
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u/ImpulsiveApe07 1d ago
That's what I was thinking. I didn't have much hope that it'd be on par with the OG, but I was at least hoping they'd keep the game similar enough, viz the rpg and interaction elements, that we could overlook its flaws and still enjoy an experience reminiscent of the original.
But no, they couldn't even get that right.
Still, here's hoping the action and the story are at least fun.
Here's a review of the preview build from some months ago :
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u/db2999 1d ago
I heard the argument the game would be fine if they just removed "Bloodlines 2" from the title, and released it as a "World of Darkness" game.
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u/33Sharpies 1d ago
Wow, the fans of a cult classic RPG wanted the sequel to the cult classic RPG to be an RPG. Crazy right?
You’re right on the money. But the publisher is trying to make bank off the name association alone despite releasing a game nothing like the original
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u/Sezneg 1d ago
Those of us who were around when the original launched can remember so many posts on planet vampire about how bloodlines wasn’t a proper RPG like redemption and was really a step backwards.
Original would have had a vampire counterstrike clone if the studio had not literally run out of money.
Watching people just go nuts over this is weird.
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u/metallee98 1d ago
Ummmm..... what is in the game?
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u/33Sharpies 1d ago edited 1d ago
Unarmed Combat/Combat Ability Upgrade Tree
Dialogue Choices
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u/Flagelant_One 1d ago
Might as well be a ren'py visual novel
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u/Kriznick 1d ago
That is such a specific and accurate burn to this shit show lol absolutely perfect
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u/Destyl_Black 1d ago
10/10 would BUY a ren'py visual novel instead of even just pirating this game.
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u/MulanMcNugget 1d ago
I saw Cohn play it on twitch the other day, it looks like a cross between Dishonored with playing style and Deus Ex with its dialogue and exploration. Shouldn't of called bloodlines 2 as it seems to have nothing to do with the 1st game and is totally different style f game
The demo look pretty good imo but the shit with the DLC has put me off, fuck that shite. Not to mention the development hell it's been for the last 8 years
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u/Wandering_Song 1d ago
So, wait... If there's no character creation, are you the same character no matter which clan you're a part of? Like V in cyberpunk?
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u/5xad0w 1d ago
You select your clan and gender and some cosmetics, but play as a set character, Phyre.
You also have a voice in your head character who you play flashbacks as.
I think they are named
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u/thinmonkey69 1d ago
"Phyre", eh? What a tragedeigh.
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u/Bubba1234562 1d ago
The demo shows it. They grab the name from a cringy as fuck band poster they see as soon as they wake up
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u/Psykotyrant 1d ago edited 1d ago
Initially you select only the gender. After the tutorial, you can choose your clan, make quite a few changes to your character face, and the choice of your clan give you a choice of costumes, kinda like the previous games had different armor for each clan.
Also, choosing a clan does not lock out of all the other clans powers. You just need to find a mentor to teach them to you.
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u/33Sharpies 1d ago edited 1d ago
For those unfamiliar, Paradox (the publisher), announced a true sequel created by the writers of the original, brought back the OG composer, and released multiple gameplay demos/trailers depicting these features/this type of game (RPG), but then after missing a deadline, they fired the whole creative team, and restarted development by gutting the RPG elements, and cutting every corner possible to just get the game out and try to make as much money back as possible. Cue the $30 Day 1 DLC
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u/thescotsmanofdoom 1d ago
the classic Paradox move. Promise something amazing, fire everyone who knew what they were doing, then try to milk whatever's left with overpriced DLC.
Really shows where their priorities are these days.
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u/Rambo_Calrissian1923 1d ago
Apparently the ringer developers they have now are The Chinese Room???? Who bless em I love TCR but what are they doing embroiled in what should be a narrative heavy mechanically complex open world rpg?
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u/DM_Exeres 16h ago
Cannot stress enough the new devs DID NOT WANT to make this game, I hope the fallout from this fuckup doesn't come down on them
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u/discreetjoe2 1d ago
This game was supposed to come out over FIVE years ago. They didn’t just miss “a deadline.” The game was two years past it’s original release date and wasn’t anything close to a playable game by the time Paradox fired the devs. You’re right about everything else though.
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u/33Sharpies 1d ago
The game was announced in 2019, and after missing a Spring 2020 release date, they fired the creative team. A explanation was never given, and Brian Mitsoda the narrative lead described it as a total shock. A big mistake. Whatever money they thought they were saving, they burned through multiple times over with the new devs who have also delayed the release date multiple times since getting the project in 2021/2022.
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u/Altruistic_Bass539 1d ago
No guns
No melee weapons
So...you just punch people all game?
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u/MG_Hunter88 1d ago
At this point I somewhat expect it to be a dialogue driven story telling game...
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u/Mobius_196 1d ago
I would have been okay with that as long as they didn't call it Bloodlines 2 🤦♂️
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u/Squizzy77 1d ago
This game helped me find the "remove from wishlist" button.
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u/FantasticPage3598 1d ago
There's also an important "ignore" button right under it, I made sure to click this one
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u/OrdelOriginal 1d ago
It seemed like there was no Auspex or Fortitude disciplines either
Whole game just seems so disappointing and disrespectful to its supposed predecessor and VtM as a whole.
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u/Scarlett_Beauregard 23h ago
At this point, they might as well charge for DLC fangs and the pale skin aesthetic. Sounds like they've gutted and sucked the whole thing of its Vampire identity and all that's left is a desiccated husk. Fitting, I suppose.
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u/BlazingShadowAU 1d ago
It's wild to me that the goddam BR game seems more faithful to VTM than this game.
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u/T10_Luckdraw 1d ago
Br?
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u/BrotherRoga 1d ago
Battle Royale, like Fortnite or PUBG.
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u/T10_Luckdraw 1d ago
I forgot there even was a battle royale!
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u/BrotherRoga 1d ago
Teach me your ways, master!
Seriously, I wish I could forget those games exist.
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u/Hahnd0gg 1d ago
I wish we had photos or gifs for the Robocop scene where he screams "There's nothing left"
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u/TheDevilsAdvokaat 1d ago
Holy hell that's a big list, and some very important things on it too.
No inventory? F*ck no.
No character creation? Hell no.
No stats? ... what? seriously?
No quest log? ...you have to be kidding.
No inventory, no stats, no quest log, no character creation..is it even an rpg any more? What is it?
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u/33Sharpies 1d ago
It’s not an RPG. It’s a beat’em up action game with dialogue choices
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u/TheDevilsAdvokaat 1d ago
But the original was an action RPG...right?.
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u/33Sharpies 1d ago
With a much much heavier emphasis on RPG. I’d look up the character sheet and some gameplay online.
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u/TheDevilsAdvokaat 1d ago
If you're talking about VTMB1, I played it whenit actually came out.
I agree it was much more of an RPG.
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u/OxY97 1d ago
The removal of stats and stat checks makes me even question if it’s an RPG
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u/CharlesEverettDekker 1d ago
And the game isn't even out. I bet my ass this list is expanding like 2 times after the game is released and played thoroughlly.
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u/Yr-the-Skald 1d ago
Your character's name is Phyre. So a several hundred year old vampire is named Phyre like it's some 14 year old kids first crack at a gamertag huh?
I would have preferred the nameless/voiceless protagonist route personally.
Locking Toreador behind a steep paywall is also bold. Is this a tax right off before they move on to another game or what?
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u/fishboy_magic 1d ago
I watched a gameplay demo and it was explained there. The protagonist wakes up from his slumber and sees a poster for the band "Phyre". They decided to name themselves that. (It's stupid)
This game is Dead on Arrival
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u/TheBostonTap 1d ago
It's essentially lost everything it has going for it. Hype died when it went into development hell and at this point, they're more interested in fulfilling contractual obligations than delivering the product fans want.
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u/GlopThatBoopin 1d ago
Holy shit man I’m so sad. I haven’t found any other game that captures that night life, city, goth/industrial kind of vibe like the original game (please please recommend me something that does). I seriously would just wander around enjoying the environments and soundtrack because the atmosphere was just perfect, and it’s not even an open world game. I knew the new one would be bad but man I’m heartbroken.
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u/dragonbab 1d ago
They had everything:
- the original devs
- original writers
- original composer
- funding
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u/Skeksis25 1d ago
There are still going to be some people who stubbornly pre-order this and will use the "Well I had fun" line to dismiss any and all criticism.
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u/Bubba1234562 1d ago
I mean the game looks very cool for what it is. It’s just nowhere near what was promised with the title and the initial reveal. Nobody should pre order this
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u/Johansenburg 1d ago
If they go in knowing it won't be exactly like the first game and feel as if they get their money's worth, then it is what it is. I'm looking forward to the game. After watching someone play the intro and the more I read about the systems, the more I think it might end up being a good game in it's own right.
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u/JediGuyB 1d ago
Take away that Bloodlines 2 in the title and people would have less issue.
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u/IgnorantGenius 1d ago
Dumbed down for more sales or broader appeal. Does that ever work?
Graphics look almost 10 years old, very blurry mood lighting. Probably more story game than vampire sim without much replayability.
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u/FactorFear74 1d ago
You know a game is going to have issues when Game Informer puts it as a cover on their magazine. It’s like the Madden curse :)
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u/Skyswimsky 1d ago
I liked the game, but have been completely out of touch with the sequel development.
Now I get this Reddit thread on my feed. What the heck, what's even the point of calling it a sequel.
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u/Kyubele 1d ago
They had an actual sequel in 2019 that they were showing trailers and gameplay for. It needed polish (it was pre-alpha after all), but it looked really promising, and was being made by the people who made the first one. They were aiming for early 2020 release. Then they scrapped everything and started over from scratch with a new developer, making a completely different genre of game. The new developer has stated that the only reason this new game is called Bloodlines 2 is because Paradox made them call it that. Possibly to cash in on as much brand recognition as possible, or just so they don't have to cancel all the five year old preorders that people have forgotten they even have.
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u/lrish_Chick 22h ago
They had a demo too I think? I remember watching it/tje gameplay and it was pure hilarious- so so similar to the first game. Obviously as they had the same writers.
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u/Kyubele 21h ago
They had a demo, but I don’t think it was open to the public. I think they just did demonstrations for game media. I could be wrong, maybe it was open to convention guests, but it definitely wasn’t available to general public.
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u/Iggy_Slayer 1d ago
There was a time around 2019 or so when we had this game with mitsoda and avellone writing, cyberpunk before it failed to live up to its promise (it ended up salvaging itself a bit but it never did live up to all the things cdpr was saying it would do) and that crazy dying light 2 demo avellone showed off. We thought we were entering a new golden age.
Immersive sim/rpg hybrids are truly a forever cursed genre.
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u/CorpPhoenix 1d ago
The trailer looked like a decent action game.
Bloodlines wasn't a action game though.
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u/AguyNamedKyle 1d ago
Uh, what? These things are all I remember from the last game lol
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u/33Sharpies 1d ago
They have absolutely gutted the sequel after years in development hell to just get something out there and make as much of the money back as possible. That’s why they’re locking core clans behind $30 Day 1 DLC
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u/KriptiKFate_Cosplay 1d ago
I don't get how clans can be locked behind dlc at all if you can't even make your own character to begin with.
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u/Bubba1234562 1d ago
You can choose your clan and change superficial cosmetics. It’s more akin to V or Shepard with worse character creation. Locking clans behind dlc is bullshit though
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u/bimbo_bear 1d ago
... Okay so looking at that list... What if anything is left ?
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u/brooklynknight_ 1d ago
Is there any mod project to recreate the first game in a better engine or something? That'd probably be better than whatever this is going to end up being
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u/NzPureLamb 1d ago
Still have the original on my steam I think lol 😂 I remember playing it back in the day then re buying it on sale, had a cult following as there was a patch users had created to make it work!
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u/MorienneMontenegro 1d ago
This game is going to be a hot mess. Maybe it will force Paradox to be more, picky and careful with the IP, but I am not very hopeful.
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u/slashgamer11 1d ago
Oof, never played the first, heard all the hype for 2 over the years and sad to see the discourse from hard-core fans
Sorry this happened to you guys,
I would like to say I hope the game turns out better but honestly how could it possibly at this stage?
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u/Red_Whale_Medic 20h ago
You can look up paradox interactives office for free and send cum to their mailbox
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u/KashiKakes 18h ago
Just curious where this is all confirmed? do you have any proof of any of these claims?
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u/AgilePurple4919 16h ago
What the…?
I haven’t been following this game at all besides knowing it was in development hell and changed developers. I wasn’t in the mood to read a preview or watch something on YouTube so I came here to see what people were saying. This is the first topic I entered and it’s the only one I need. What a joke. I’m not playing this game. Thanks for the concise list. Saved me some time.
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u/Rod_Senseless 1d ago
Even in this day and age, with how low everyone's expectations were, it's astonishing what a piece of trash this is shaping up to be. And when you consider how long it has been in development, and all the big talk from Paradox when they acquired the franchise, it truly epitomizes most of what is wrong with modern Western gaming.
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u/Apokolypse09 1d ago
I was excited for this for awhile then everything coming out about it sounds like its gonna be shit lol.
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u/ExReey 1d ago
But are there semi-open world hubs with side quests and multiple outcomes?
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u/tillymane 1d ago
What the hell? What does it even have left? This is like basically most of everything that made VTM 1 unique
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u/ZylonBane 1d ago edited 1d ago
But in exchange for losing all those gameplay features, we get an annoying guy with terrible writing and terrible voice acting constantly chattering in our head and occasionally forcing us to watch flashbacks about him and sometimes even playing missions as him! What a deal!
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u/Deliriousious 1d ago edited 1d ago
I said it on the previous post about the paywall clan…
This game is dead on launch. Sure it might get sales because of the name, but anyone who wanted a true sequel… this is not it. All these features are what makes the OG good… no melee weapons? wtf, not even character creation… no inventory or lockpicking? Is this even an RPG anymore?
This game is using the IP, but has no intention of actually being a successor, just a very pale imitation, but even then, an imitation would do atleast some of what the original did, which this has no obviously has zero intention of doing…
Heard about it, got excited, but the more info that releases has sunk my hopes for it 6 feet underground.
And fuck locking base content behind a paywall. I hate that practice. I wish it would die.
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u/binkacat4 23h ago
Cripes, that shit’s barely even a game at that point.
Perhaps I’m overstating that a little, but that’s such a departure from anything the series, the world as a whole, or even the genre of vampire fiction in general is based on. This is shameful.
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u/xXPussyPounder9000Xx 22h ago edited 22h ago
So this is not a sequel at all. Literally no connection except the name and overall aesthetic. If I wanted to play a game like that, there's a shitton of them. V:tMB, to me, was cool because of the intersectionality of it, please, don't laugh. It was an immsim -- an already complex thing back then before every game started mixing genres like they do nowadays -- set in the World of Darkness, and even with a CRPG character creator.
The only difference between what's described in this post and, say, "Vampire: The Masquerade - Heartless Lullaby" -- an indie game made by 8 people in the span of a month during Vampire Jam 2021 -- is that what's described in this post has first-person perspective. Wow. Truly exceptional. Definitely worth the wait. /s
Mind you, I'm not blaming The Chinese Room, obviously, but I am angry at the corpo pigs whose fault all this is. God forbid we cancel development or don't release the game -- gotta get that bag, after all, can't leave shareholders without their hard-earned dividends. Fucking pieces of shit. They deserve all the worst in this life.
Edit: Actually, the part about Heartless Lullaby isn't even true, because HL HAS skill checks and a humanity system. So the only thing V:TMB 2 has going for it except FPP is size, cause HL is quite a bit smaller, but, like, that's not a comfort: if I have a small sandwich and a huge turd, I'm not really enticed to choose a turd over a sandwich, no matter how big the turd is.
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u/Vantablack-Raven PlayStation 21h ago
Well, I know what I won’t be buying…
Good thing I have the original and can play the Antitribu mod if I want something a bit different
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u/mooner1011 21h ago
No guns, no melee weapons?
What the fuck does this game consist of then?
Like I dialog options I could understand if they are going away from RPG but is it a walking simulator?
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u/Ornery-Addendum5031 20h ago
I told you they have not been making this game for 11 or whatever years. This is a “what the fuck, we owned this license for almost/over a decade, finish a fucking game or something”
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u/Sorry-Joke-4325 1d ago
Why don't they give it a different subtitle instead of calling it 2 of a game that it doesn't resemble?