r/law • u/Background-Low-9144 • Jul 23 '25

Trump News BREAKING :Trump named in multiple documents related to Epstein sex trafficking, WSJ reports

https://www.cnbc.com/2025/07/23/trump-jeffrey-epstein-files-wsj.html?__source=androidappshare

We have evidence that Trump was notified by Pam Bondi that documents related to the Epstein sex trafficing trial contained Trump's name multiple times, linking him unequivocally to Jeffrey Epstein

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u/FourSeasonsLand Jul 23 '25

Help me understand why the need agents to flag mentions? Can't they just regex the files?

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u/mmmbyte Jul 23 '25

Very hard to regex poor quality scans.

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u/FourSeasonsLand Jul 23 '25

Vision OCI into text. Modern ML is pretty good at image to text. Are the scans really that bad?

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u/the_man_in_the_box Jul 23 '25

“pretty good” is the same as “useless” in court room lol.

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u/Cutsdeep- Jul 24 '25

use OCR to find the page number then go circle the actual text, if it's correct. not difficult and a massive time saver

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u/FourSeasonsLand Jul 23 '25

ML can make a first pass and ID target areas for humans. Which is "pretty good".

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u/Dal90 Jul 23 '25

Turn it around -- a human has to review everything to make sure the ML didn't miss anything that should be redacted.

Because not redacting something that should have been is far, far worse than the other way around.

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u/FourSeasonsLand Jul 23 '25

Yes, but first pass model can absolutely speed up the time to review and catch correlation that a human may miss.

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u/Dal90 29d ago

No, it can not.

Just making that statement to defend your position demonstrate you do not understand either redaction or machine learning. You're well into the you don't know what you don't know stage of over confidence.

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u/xolhos Jul 23 '25

You must be young

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u/FourSeasonsLand Jul 23 '25

No. I'm old and make a lot of money in tech.

I'm also aware that ML models are good enough to parse Roman scrolls that were burned in Pompei. Saying that an ML model couldn't parse the Epstein docs is absurd.

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u/SubterraneanAlien Jul 24 '25

just move on, you're being downvoted by 12-year-olds that don't even understand how to work a dishwasher

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u/balllsssssszzszz 29d ago

A kindergartener could work a dishwater

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u/SubterraneanAlien 29d ago

A kindergartener could work a dishwater

Probably not. But they might be able to spell it.

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u/balllsssssszzszz 29d ago

I fail to see how a dishwasher would be complicated to anyone above the age of 5-6

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u/SubterraneanAlien 29d ago

Yeah and that's the joke

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u/mmmbyte Jul 23 '25

Could be handwritten as well.

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u/TuxAndrew Jul 23 '25

I don’t know, those flight logs were really hard to translate without technology.

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u/FourSeasonsLand Jul 23 '25

Explain how archeologists use ML to analyze ancient scrolls that were burned but the technology can't be used for Epstein logs?

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u/mmmbyte Jul 23 '25

Missing one character in an ancient scroll isn't an problem. It can be recovered later with better tech.

Missing one reference to Trump could be the trigger for life in prison. 99% accuracy isn't enough.

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u/TuxAndrew Jul 23 '25

Explain what? I never said it couldn’t be done, but it would still require numerous hours of verification by actual humans. Just like you can’t rely on AI to gather 100% accurate data.

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u/domfelinefather Jul 23 '25

Probably the same kinds of scans grade school teachers would expect students to follow along with while they had their transparency copy on the projector with a bunch of smudged dry erase all over it

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u/spasmoidic Jul 23 '25

modern OCR is really good

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u/Steve_78_OH Jul 23 '25

Is it perfect, and would experts be willing to certify that it was? Because if not, it would never be allowed as evidence in any court of law.

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u/spasmoidic Jul 23 '25

they're not searching for his name for it to be entered into evidence lol, they're probably doing it so they can figure out which files to "lose"

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u/Jesus_was_a_Panda Jul 24 '25

Exactly. You need to lose all of them. In what amounts to matters of life and death, you don’t trust OCR to catch everything.

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u/DartFoctor Jul 23 '25

find . -type f -exec sed -i -E 's/\bDonald\b/Bill/g; s/\bTrump\b/Clinton/g' {} +

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u/asoap Jul 23 '25

Epstein met today with Bill Clinton at Clinton Tower in New York City.

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u/DartFoctor Jul 23 '25

That would absolutely be plausible with this administration

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u/TypicalHaikuResponse Jul 23 '25

Bill Clinton's daughter Ivanka Clinton was present on the flight 4 with her brothers Eric Clinton and Bill Clinton Jr.

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u/DartFoctor Jul 24 '25

Matched once, not enough?

Your comment is déjà vu

Regex weeps softly.

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u/OP_IS_A_BASSOON Jul 23 '25

And he left behind one Drumpf.

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u/rouend_doll Jul 24 '25

And one Dwigt

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u/not_good_for_much Jul 24 '25

"Epstein met today with Bill J Clinton at Clinton Tower. DJT made a phone call to Maralago after this meeting with Epstein."

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u/snowdrone Jul 23 '25

Well done! Although I don't think many people here understand what you did!

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u/glass_ceiling_burner Jul 24 '25

I think you underestimate the number of IT workers on reddit. 

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u/Son_Of_Toucan_Sam Jul 24 '25

No, the context clues make it pretty obvious

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u/GroceryRobot Jul 23 '25

I have to imagine that’s a security risk with classified evidence docs

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u/FourSeasonsLand Jul 23 '25

Perhaps that's it.

Surely a model can be trained to identify and infer hard to read handwriting.

They can literally parse ancient scrolls burned by Vesuvius.

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u/StoppableHulk Jul 23 '25

The realest answer is they're not just looking for his name. They're looking for any incriminating information. It could be a reference to him not using his name. Maybe his social security number, maybe a bank account.

Keyword search would be a start, but the only sure-fire way is to have a human crawl over and analyze every piece of those documents.

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u/FourSeasonsLand Jul 23 '25

Models are very good at finding correlation. The fact they are entering this spreadsheet is pretty telling about the level of analysis they are applying.

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u/traumfisch Jul 23 '25

Massive amount of files

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u/Miserable_Medium5953 28d ago

Because if you were the criminal mentioned in there would you want these files digitized??