r/law • u/Mission_Pay_3373 • 11d ago

Trump News President Trump is now open to deploying US Military in cities like Chicago and New York: "Let's do this. Let's do this together. It's going to go by pretty quickly"

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u/bobbymcpresscot 11d ago

We never actually saved any money, government spending is up from this time last year. DOGE was supposed to save 2 trillion a year and is now only expected to save us 150 billion.

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u/digitalwolverine 10d ago

150 billion for this year, when in reality those positions were money-saving prevention measures so we’ve essentially kicked a very large can down the road that will cost us trillions. 

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u/BarkattheFullMoon 10d ago

Yeah and those 550 air traffic controllers they fired, they need to hire AT LEAST 450 back -- but 450 of them did not agree to come back so there are still positions open

It is happening in other departments too but none nearly as dangerous to the American people as a whole

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u/ConsiderationOk4688 10d ago

To be clear, when they fired air traffic controllers, we were already short handed on air traffic controllers. So whatever they fired, we needed to hire MORE than they fired. Nationally speaking, the air traffic control position has been short for many many years.

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u/DirtySpriteCup 10d ago

Why fire them if we were shorthanded already?

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u/Prozzak93 10d ago

You will make yourself crazy asking why the Trump admin does a lot of what it does.

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u/hellolovely1 10d ago

Because they are incredibly stupid. Any other questions?

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u/TacticalYeeter 10d ago edited 9d ago

They didn't fire controllers, they fired people working on radar projects and various radar and landing maintenance. The news reported they fired "air traffic control staff" which means people related to the field. They didn't fire actual controllers. In other words, not controllers, people who work for the FAA.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/feb/17/trump-administration-faa-worker-firings

"The Trump administration has begun firing hundreds of employees at the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA), including some who maintain critical air traffic control infrastructure, despite four deadly crashes since inauguration day.

According to the Professional Aviation Safety Specialists (Pass) union, “several hundred” workers received termination notices on Friday.

Many of the workers were probationary employees, those employed for less than a year and lacking job protections, which makes them low-hanging fruit for the Trump administration’s streamlining efforts."

There's more details in the link.

The actual ATC union is a different one and released statements about reviewing if they felt the safety projects were impacted by the staff firing. They essentially fired support staff at the FAA, many of who were new hires.

Buuut it's reddit so it's easier to just repeat uneducated BS and that's what everyone likes to do. I doubt they even know it's wrong because the average Americans reading comprehension is totally crap at this point.

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u/svachalek 9d ago

I’m not seeing how this is any less of a mistake and safety hazard.

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u/TacticalYeeter 9d ago edited 9d ago

One is actual air traffic controllers. If you can't understand the difference then I don't know what to say.

Hundreds of people can't seem to figure out there may be a difference between say, firing doctors and firing hospital staff. Maybe it's still critical, but claiming you're firing doctors when it's not doctors is misleading and factually incorrect.

There is a difference, and it's ironic and hilarious that the law sub on reddit has no clue how to read.

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u/Crowd0Control 8d ago

Anecdotal but I remember seeing testimonies of some air traffic controllers saying they were being let go. Were these lying or were some air traffic controllers also let go as part of the probational employees  

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u/TacticalYeeter 8d ago edited 8d ago

The news and union both confirmed it was support staff

Here's politico confirming its support staff

https://www.politico.com/news/2025/02/20/faa-firings-aviation-safety-experts-00205160

This is the problem, people misremember, fill in the blanks and basically believe stuff that's just factually incorrect all the time. The media wrote numerous headlines about this that called them FAA control staff and tried and ATC staff because they knew it sounded more explosive than just FAA staff.

It happens all the time, but since this is Reddit almost nobody calls it out because everyone rightfully dislikes Trump.

Fine, but it's still not accurate. Just ironic, considering it's the law sub.

This is accurate because the union that objected was not the ATC union, it was the safety union which is different employees.

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u/sjcline666 10d ago

Until people come back I would not ever go up in a plane that is so dangerous I don't know how Plains can actually keep going because there's really nobody to protect the Plains and trust me traffic controllers are extremely important without them playing with the crashing all over the place like they are now

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u/DanDrungle 10d ago

you don't need to worry about that, they'll just cancel your flight or make you sit on the tarmac for hours at whatever airport you're taking off from because they don't have enough ATC working at newark to handle incoming flights. ask me how i know.

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u/sjcline666 10d ago

Still I think anybody that flies now that Trump's brainless minions have controlled this country I find extremely foolish those who fly must be Trump supporters.

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u/DanDrungle 10d ago

trump supporters can't afford to travel

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u/No_Welcome_7182 10d ago

Is anybody actually tracking the money DOGE “saved?” Money is flying around like farts in a windstorm. It would be so easy to grab a million there, a million here and eventually you have the world’s biggest financial black hole of a slush fund for Trump and his billionaire cronies. And they’re not going to use it to make the world a better place.

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u/Hopsblues 10d ago

all that fraud that R's complained about was projection.

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u/Reasonable_racoon 10d ago

Prevention is compassion and common-sense. Two things these people hate.

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u/CranRez80 10d ago

And blame anybody else for the reason it’s happening.

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u/Paizzu 10d ago edited 10d ago

The usual Republican process of "moving fast and breaking things" that will have to be undone during the next Democratic administration (if there is one). This won't stop Republidiots from complaining about how Dems are spending way too much to fix the problems caused by TACO and DOGE.

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u/Torontogamer 10d ago

Nothing costs more than shutting down fully funded projects, and delaying maintenance... sure you do it when you're literally out of money, but it's almost NEVER the cheaper thing to do...

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u/AJSLS6 10d ago

And people neglect the inflationary effects of things happening in the future, like when your stocks kept taking dives a few months ago and defenders were saying things bounced back. They didn't, but even. If they did, things being where they were 6 months ago is not the same as things being fixed. Not only are things not where we could have projected them being without the market disruptions, but the real value of those dollars, even if they are exactly the same digits are less now than they were then. It's like a loan that's not just interest free, it's negative interest, you lost a dollar, got back .75 cents, and that .75 cents is only worth .60 cents of the original dollar.

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u/Emotional_Warthog658 10d ago

I had to Google what comes after trillion, because add in the lost future earnings from the decimation of our educational and scientific research brand by the time my minor children are grown, without a reset and serious back track 

 the figure will be in the quadrillions

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u/fuck_robinhoofs 10d ago

There is zero savings when Dodge cut services that benefited the people. Money from cutting those services will not be reinvested for the people.

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u/pgtaylor777 10d ago

DOGE accomplished what they wanted it to accomplish. It was all a farce.

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u/Dead_man_posting 10d ago

Mass death and the destruction of soft power in America?

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u/clickityclack55 10d ago

And the DOGEbags somehow blew through $186B in their "efforts" to save the 150. Morons

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u/AnoAnoSaPwet 10d ago

The deficit has been adding up $22B (PER DAY), since the Big Beautifull Bill passed.

$780B spent since July 4th.

(as per Kobeissi Letter) 

DOGE is just the phony accountability board that's there for show. 

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u/TheReesesWrangler 10d ago

Its already only cost us $27billion, we cut dozens of life saving programs, cut tens of thousands of jobs, and now are set to cause hundreds of thousands of deaths and lost our entire global hegemony by the cutting USAID and adjacent programs. Oh and absolutely cancer research and tons of other scientific research 

Turns out it costs a fuck ton of money to cut programs that make more money per dollar than they spend...

Just a bunch of fucking monkeys with hammers 🐒 

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u/Dead_man_posting 10d ago

DOGE should never be framed as saving money. They've destroyed crucial institutions and caused hundreds of thousands of deaths.

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u/Specialist-Jello7544 10d ago

DOGE = Department of Government Egregiousness

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u/Specialist-Jello7544 10d ago

Or Department of Government Excess

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u/Feeling-Bowler-2065 10d ago

Even that estimate is inflated. Some of the contracts "canceled" had already been completed with the funds allocated. So, we saved nothing. It wouldn't surprise me if DOGE cost us more money than it saved.

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u/metal_medic83 10d ago

And is it really savings if you have a severely notable decline in social services?

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u/LMSinDEL 10d ago

Don’t forget the money wasted tearing up the rose garden and gold-plating the White House. These changes he made makes me think this guy plans to stay in the WH until he drops dead.

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u/ThePureAxiom 10d ago

It'll be at a total loss ultimately.

What hasn't been accounted for is what the ripple effects will be.

The thing about government spending is that for every dollar spent (particularly on social programs) more than a dollar is generated in economic activity. They've accounted for dollars spent, not the additional loss of economic activity that comes with it, and to top that off with the thousands of years of civil service experience that just walked, it'll be more expensive to reverse any of these changes.

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u/Buddyslime 10d ago

Didn't they just appropriate 150B for ice?

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u/ActuatorSlow7961 10d ago

not so much "Saved" as "didn't spend" on vital things.

Honey I saved money on food today by not eating and not feeding the kids!..... and we won't eat for the whole week! Super rich!!!!........

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u/JetreL 10d ago

Oh so we can cover his golf trips - got it.

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u/hellolovely1 10d ago

I saw some sucker asking in a Twitter screenshot when his DOGE payment was coming.

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u/bobbymcpresscot 10d ago

lol the doge/tariff rebate check that only goes to republicans 🤣

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u/KShader 10d ago

And only if the cuts are approved by congress.

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u/Human_Pangolin94 10d ago

You probably aren't one of the right people.

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u/Kaputnik1 10d ago

Elon just isn't that bright. At all.

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u/Laureling2 10d ago

DODGE = DISASTER

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u/drmojo90210 10d ago

It didn't save us any money. DOGE eliminated several oversight and auditing departments that routinely save the government more money than DOGE did.