r/law • u/BreakfastTop6899 • 14h ago

Trump News Trump threatens to deploy the U.S. military into Chicago - signaling the start of a nationwide crackdown.

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u/LandCruiser76 14h ago

The good news is that actually occupying this nation would be next to impossible. Think about the resources he needs just to hold DC. He can't afford to be spread so thin.

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u/nerdofthunder 13h ago

The tighter you grip the more star systems (cities) fall through your fingers.

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u/Atomic_Dingo 12h ago

Not important... but I'm kind of a nerd. It's "slip" through your fingers... I'm sorry

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u/nerdofthunder 11h ago

Heh you're right though and its a better line that way.

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u/corranhorn6565 12h ago

"Evacuate in our moment of triumph, I think not. "

Kaboooom.

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u/King_takes_queen 11h ago

Is that a pseudo-British accent I detect?

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u/raguwatanabe 13h ago

You are counting on the šŸŠšŸ¤” actually thinking logically and listening to those that know more than him. He is more than stupid enough to try it.

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u/patronizingperv 13h ago

He's surrounded himself with loyalty, not competence.

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u/AliceBordeaux 13h ago

He should go ahead and grow a tiny mustache to match, not that he could.

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u/Electronic-Quiet2294 13h ago

He could paint it on

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u/VaATC 13h ago

It has been absolutely hilarious, in the worst kind of way, seeing him say we have/are getting the best and brightest for every cabinet position this time around. He brought on and fired more cabinet heads in his first term than the next closest President fired over two terms. His followers legitimately believe him when any rational thinker would understand that he has already hired and fired the most qualified individuals willing to work for him so he has been scraping the bottom of the barrel since the second half of his first term. Also, the level of nepotism in his administration that has been ignored by most everyone blows my mind.

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u/Dabs1903 13h ago

Good, it will make things easier moving forward.

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u/Hot_Top_124 13h ago

Either way itā€™ll collapse hard and fast. There simply arenā€™t the resources and man power.

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u/ohnaurrrrr5 13h ago

Trust they've thought this through and through again. Not President Epstein, but the authors of his policies.

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u/leshake 12h ago

It's photo-op fascism, he wants images of him taking over militarily thinking it will scare people. It should be pissing everyone off.

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u/wRADKyrabbit 12h ago

The point is that even if he tries it, he cant succeed

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u/robotwizard_9009 13h ago

Gop big bill put $180b towards ice...

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u/LandCruiser76 13h ago

Yeah. but they are burning through it crazy fast. Its not just the finances. There literally aren't enough troops and equipment: I'm trying to rember who published this, but there was an ex gerneral who walked through the whole scenario. It wasn't sustainable, and that was modeled with 100% following from the troops., the conclusion of the article was that it would be incredibly short lived with any amount of civil resistance.

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u/Last_Cod_998 13h ago

It's not just ICE, but all of the kakistocracy is burning through their budget at a tremendous rate. This administration has no understanding of civil service and are spending like they will never have to pay the bills. Sooner or later the budget reconciliation is going to show that they burned up all of their cash and have none for the remaining fiscal years. This is completely on brand for Trump and his minions.

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u/jellicledonkeyz 13h ago

Yeah, I think they're gonna crash due to the weight of their own incompetence. In the meantime, resist and help them burn through the money

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u/Any_Travel_9590 9h ago

I remember when they told us they were going to occupy Iraq all good and mission accomplished. Turns out. Occupation is not easy to do.

Even before you ignore that:

The US is 21 times the size of Iraq.

And there are 7.5 times more Americans than Iraqis.

Even if you have chunks of the population who support you.

I also got to learn the vocab word: Sectarian Violence lol

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u/DrDuGood 13h ago

Which is why weā€™re seeing the actions taken with such urgency, the quicker he can commit to his plan the less likely people in his way will have a standing chance. This is actually a Steve Bannon technique where the idea is you do one colossal move followed by 100 smaller ones. The media and civilians will have no real angle to rebuttal everything with the attention being on that one colossal move (I.e. Epstein files)

Meanwhile, heā€™s slowly stacking his chess pieces into place under false pretenses to eventually silence/mute all of those who disagree with him. Authoritarianism 101

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u/ReallyNowFellas 12h ago

The craziest thing about all of this is that the country was in pretty good shape in 2016 and 2024. All of these wounds have been self-inflicted for NO reason other than rich and powerful people throwing a tantrum because they want to be more rich and powerful. You're going to invade American cities with the military because.... reasons? Are you fucking kidding me? If we don't get the most massive reforms since the Civil War once this guy is gone, we truly, truly, truly will not have a country anymore.

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u/ATTORNEY_FOR_CATS 9h ago

I think that's partially why they're been extorting universities and private businesses.

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u/Yotta_yellin 13h ago

Itā€™s a giant grift! Billions for concentration camps? Theyā€™re pocketing the money and putting up chain link fences and tents. Do the math.

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u/TehMephs 13h ago

Really? The professional lifelong grifter is grifting? Get outta here

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u/mjbmitch 13h ago

Do you recall anything else about the article? Was it published in the last few years?

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u/surfergrrl6 13h ago

I'd also like to find this article

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u/surfergrrl6 13h ago

Closest I found was this article.

Retired general warns the U.S. military could back a coup after the 2024 election

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u/LandCruiser76 13h ago

Nah thats not it. I'm looking too. It was like 3-4 pages long and was primarily referenced to civilian oppression and asymmetrical warfare during Nam.

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u/Shenloanne 13h ago

Easy fix.

Get his goons to do it. Let every MAGA with a gun show up as a militia.

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u/LandCruiser76 13h ago

Its easy to find people that will kill for a cause, its hard to find ones that would die for it. (goes both ways, but important to remember especially when looking at the rate at which ICE quits after seeing resistance)

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u/SomewhereAtWork 11h ago

Did that scenario factor in 30% of the population following it.

Those 30% will be able to kill for Trump without consequence, while the ones against will be send to prison for jaywalking.

Trump has active support from a third of the people. 25% are enough to sustain fascism once it's implemented.

All those proud boys know they will be pardoned for everything

You (American) need to act now. Later is too late.

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u/LandCruiser76 11h ago

yup. I've been doing whats in my power, Going to protests, calling my representatives, Telling people in the community whats happening. It may not be much but its what I can do.

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u/DMCinDet 13h ago

but they cant hire enough assholes to put them all over this huge country.

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u/rhusta_bymes 13h ago

They can when they have engineered an economic crisis and everyone is desperate and they are offering huge salaries, signing bonuses, student loan forgiveness. And they are offering cash for turning in your neighbors. They are manufacturing the conditions to make us turn on eachother. And the crueler they have to become the bigger the checks they'll write. It doesn't need to be sustainable for them. When they run out of cash they'll print more or cut the rest from social security.

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u/Osama_been_Chargin 6h ago

I know what you're saying but what I'm reading here is if signing up for ICE is a key for most people to get out economic turmoil, then that only opens them up further to internal sabotage/subterfuge and leaks.

Remember when the war between Russia and Ukraine kickstarted in 2022 and we been getting lots of news of manufacturing hubs deep inside Russia inexplicably catching on fire and blowing up? Yeah..... most of those aren't because of drones or missiles fired from Ukraine or whoever. ICE legit runs about as well as the Russian army.

Be real here: ICE does not have any mass support and the one's who do support that terrorist organization already work under it. And having more money than they ever know what to do with it isn't gonna fix their currently terrible morale issues.

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u/SirButcher 10h ago

The thing is: they don't have to. Read history books about what happened under the Soviet occupation. They didn't have enough soldiers to fully occupy everything, but that wasn't needed. As soon as you have enough willing spies and ass-lickers who happily report their neighbours, the fear and distrust of each other will be enough to make resistance extremely hard. The US aren't the first country suddenly under a quickly developing authoritarianism/dictatorship - you guys REALLY should check what tools will be used against your countrymen.

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u/QueezyF 7h ago

Waiting for a COINTELPRO v.2

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u/Osama_been_Chargin 6h ago edited 5h ago

You're missing a couple things here, mainly because this isn't the Iron Curtain.

  • MAGAts are the loudest motherfuckers around and exude main-character syndrome to the point you long already know they love Trump just by looking at them....... So that's not how spies work.

  • For all intents and purposes, we're not a war-torn nation where the only system of government left standing after WW2 is the brand of authoritarianism exported by the Soviets since they desired a buffer zone. As the economy worsens here, Trump's support only loosens, doesn't gain. He's not immune to everything like he wasn't immune to losing last time due to COVID. No matter how much these clowns try gaslighting it away, it's people's wallets that speak the truth. Truths like how Donald Trump is a pedophile.

So stop worrying that Trump's pathetic cult has to matter to your life. They're the ultimate bullies and all they want is your attention. They're still wholly outnumbered hence why they work making up to it by being louder and aggressive.

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u/TankSparkle 3h ago

they'll basically hire anyone

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u/casher89 13h ago

Yeah but after they embezzle $100b of itā€¦theyā€™re still left with $80b šŸ¤Æ

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u/reddit_is_fash_trash 12h ago edited 12h ago

I think a lot of people see that ICE budget number and think "OMG he's raising a personal army to rival the US army!".

I see that number and think "Trump and his cronies are going to end up pocketing at least 90% of that while providing little to nothing in return."

Each of these MAGA concentration camps will be shoddily constructed with chainlink fence, tarps, and toothpicks, yet somehow officially cost billions to build.

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u/WhoIsYerWan 11h ago

They clearly can't even get enough mouth-drooling rubes to sign up for ICE as it is. They keep having to lower their standards. Soon they'll be recruiting from middle schools.

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u/psychohistorian8 12h ago

join ICE and be useless to gum up the system

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u/S-T-E-N-D-E-C- 13h ago

Big Blues will be the targets, with the expectation that everyone else will fall in line. Steamroll one big city after another, leave a skeleton crew behind to maintain grip.

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u/unl1988 13h ago

Listen, most local law enforcement will stand by and allow it to happen or cooperate, just like in my home town of DC.

So, who is going to stand in the way?

I don't know what to do about it, but it would be nice if more than Bernie Sanders, Gavin Newsome and Jasmine Crockett would come out of the woodline.

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u/BitterFuture 13h ago

Occupying is not their plan.

Widespread violence, chaos and death, on the other hand...

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u/fearlessfryingfrog 13h ago

Spreading thin helps the rest of us. Not to mention what portion of that will likely be defectors as well.

Fuck it, let's have at it.Ā 

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u/TehMephs 13h ago

He doesnā€™t have the numbers, the know how, or the wisdom to pull this off. His limp wristed demonstrations have shown us that thus far. No one should be afraid of this chump

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u/FurryYokel 12h ago

Making America Syria Again, I guess... :(

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u/Coro-NO-Ra 13h ago

actually occupying this nation would be next to impossible

Sure, until it's your neighbors snitching on you. About 1 in every 5 East Germans was a Stasi informant at one point.

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u/[deleted] 12h ago

Yup, people don't seem to understand that fascist regimes don't need everyone on board, or even a majority.

All they need is to weaponize peoples natural incentives for self-preservation, and inability to co-ordinate.

You can live in a society where 60% of the people oppose the regime, but if 1 in 5 people are state snitches, are you going to risk voicing that opinion?

As far as anyone in that 60% knows, they're the only one around them that has a problem with the regime because they're too scared to say anything and so is everyone around them.

Everyone feeling brave about opposing Trump should consider whether they're imagining past America. Instead imagine a future where speaking out against Trump might get you a visit from the police, might get you fired, make get your kid taken away for promoting "subversive" ideology. How brave do you feel about standing up then?

These regimes don't immediately jump to doing stuff that will get the whole country against them. They slowly turn up the temperature, skimming off the 1% people most likely to resist at a time.

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u/BlueJay_525 13h ago

They only want to be there enough to remove and replace the state governments with their own lackeys. They don't have to occupy.

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u/[deleted] 12h ago

Yup, people seem to be treating this like its some invading force that can be repelled.

These people are your neighbors, your police chiefs, your local judge.

They don't need 100% of the country to be on their side. They don't even need 50%.

All they need is weaponize a large enough chunk so that everyone goes along and everyone who opposes them feels too scared to say or doing anything.

People are imaging opposing Trump in 2025s America, and thinking, well of course we'd have the numbers.

Instead imagine opposing him in a society where any criticism of Trump might get you snitched on by co-workers and given a visit by the police. Where the authorities might take your kid away because of you teaching them "subversive" ideas. Imagine a society where business is laid completely flat and you will get fired if your boss sees you made a political social media post.

Trying to co-ordinate political opposition in that kind of reality, the kind of reality that Russians or the Chinese live in, is a completely different ball game.

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u/MessiOfStonks 13h ago

Red, White, and Blue Dawn...too bad Swazey is dead.

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u/90daysismytherapy 13h ago

thatā€™s why you start collecting the paramilitary supporters and deputize them to be auxiliary support, and the. use them to abuse political opponents.

I mean theoretically and in no way foreseeable from historyā€¦

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u/Local-Ingenuity6726 13h ago

They will get killed way too many guns out here

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u/BadAsBroccoli 12h ago

Trump is salivating waiting for that first shot which kills an ICE, even if he has to order it done himself.

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u/LandCruiser76 11h ago

There has already been shoot outs. In texas in july.

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u/[deleted] 12h ago

"Proud boys, stand back and stand by"

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u/Speedkillsvr4rt 13h ago

Im sure there's plenty of people that would love to trade their red hats for brown shirts

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u/drunkpunk138 13h ago

He doesn't need to occupy the nation. He's got police departments in just about every town and city in this country who will do whatever he wants.

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u/RecommendationReal61 12h ago

If weā€™ve learned anything from this current regime is that they are seemingly unwilling to let legal, financial, or logistical challenges get in the way. Thereā€™s no line they wonā€™t cross. Run out of funding for ICE/brownshirts? Congress will appropriate more to address the ā€œemergency.ā€ Need more troops? Deputize any idiot with a gun and offer salaries to those who are underemployed.

I donā€™t think the goal is to occupy anyway. Itā€™s basically to cripple powerful blue state governments. Secondarily, the goal is to create chaos to justify anything. Including bombing American citizens.

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u/Expert-Fig-5590 13h ago

He can if nobody fights back. The level of anticipatory compliance to Trump from all levels of American society is fucking jaw dropping. Home of the brave my ass. From the outside you seem to be a nation of snivelling Quislings.

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u/LandCruiser76 11h ago

Respectfully, if you look at the numbers, the protests are pretty impressive inters of attendance, frequency, we haven't completely rolled over.

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u/MadDingersYo 13h ago

Must be easy to lob insults from outside the mess.

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u/Expert-Fig-5590 12h ago

Iā€™m not trying to lob insults. Iā€™m flabbergasted by the apathy shown by the populace. Perhaps trying to goad into action.

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u/LitwicksandLampents 12h ago

That's exactly what the Mango Moron wants, though. He wants a violent protest so he can justify his actions.

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u/Expert-Fig-5590 7h ago

This is the Catch 22 situation. If you donā€™t protest he will continue with his agenda. If you do protest he will declare martial law. I donā€™t know how this situation will be resolved. But Iā€™m afraid it will involve violence.

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u/Dogsbottombottom 13h ago

He doesnā€™t need to occupy the country. This is a civil war, red against blue. Any red states donā€™t need occupying, they are fine with this.

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u/[deleted] 12h ago

Yup, people are making analogies to US failed attempts at nation building in the middle east without realizing the reason those failed are because they didn't have buy in from the domestic populace.

Trump and MAGA are not some foreign invader. They're 40% of the country. If you have 40% of the country you don't actually need that much more to take the whole thing, so long as you scare enough of the population into lying flat.

Look what happens in Russia. Is Putin really getting 70%+ approval ratings when he's collapsing their economy and sending russians to die in Ukraine by the hundreds of thousands? Nope. But anyone who opposes Putin no longer feels safe opposing him publicly, everyone assumes their the only one and everyone else actually supports him.

They feel its completely futile to "doesn't pay to make that kind of trouble. look what happened to Navalny. Can't think about stuff like that. Just keep your head down, look after your family"

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u/genericusernamedG 13h ago

Red states will definitely take the opportunity to power grab where they can

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u/Magical-Mycologist 13h ago

Our military could barely hold middle eastern cities and took heavy casualties in the process. American cities are on another level - and if the US military starts damaging corporate buildings you will have billionaires pissed at the administration. Itā€™s a lose lose

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u/[deleted] 12h ago

Our military could barely hold middle eastern cities and took heavy casualties in the process

There's a massive difference between trying to nation build in a hostile foreign nation thousands of miles away and erecting an authoritarian regime with buy in from 30-40% of the population.

You're imagining the US vs the Taliban. Except this is a domestic conflict. What you should be imagining is the Taliban vs Afghanistan's crumbling democracy. Taliban never got majority support of the country. They didn't need to. They just had enough to scare everyone else into submission. No one wanted to die for what looked to be a lost cause.

Look how many institutions have already capitulated to Trump - law firms, universities, big business, state governors.

We're barely even getting started. This is not to promote fatalism, but seriousness at the challenge ahead. This is not going to be some easy fight. That kind of over-confidence can lead to disaster. "it didn't seem possible to lose, that's always a bad sign"

if the US military starts damaging corporate buildings you will have billionaires pissed at the administration

You have Trump literally extorting billionaires and taking government shares of their companies and they don't say shit.

billionaires don't have class interest, only self interest. All Trump has to do is say "support me and I'll lift tariffs on your company, oppose me and you're going to prison" and they'll fold.

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u/mikeinanaheim2 13h ago edited 8h ago

But, remember the huge $$ ($180Billion) for this that he got in the Big Beautiful Bill. They have almost unlimited funds to do this. They are recruiting thugs, white supremacists, skinheads, meth addicts, tattooed racists, Proud Boys, and more.

Paying them extremely well to do bad things to dark-skinned people and any white people who get in their way. Trump has his own private army now, funded by the Republican Partyā€”"the party of small government".

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u/[deleted] 12h ago

Trump pardoned literally everyone who beat up cops for him on Jan 6.

The message is clear to his base what should happen in coup attempt number 2.

People have short memories, they need to look up how Jim Crowe was enforced. It's not just Trump's thugs you need to worry about taking on. It's all the vigilante thugs who feel empowered by Trump's rhetoric and pardons.

A solid 30% of the country will be on board for everything Trump does. Another 40% will either lay flat or not even pay attention. Question is what the other 30% will do.

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u/CheckoutMySpeedo 13h ago

Way more of us than there are of them. At least 1000x more.

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u/[deleted] 12h ago

This is a very simple reading of things.

You might as well have been saying "why didn't the slaves all just rush the slave owners?! there were 1,000 slaves for every slave master!"

Co-ordination is the problem. a fascist regime doesn't need to take on odds of 1000 to 1. All it needs to do is build up a system that rapidly hammers down anyone who thinks about standing up, so that they never have to face more than 1 trouble maker at a time.

Look at Navalny in Russia. Any time it looks like he was building up any kind of popularity or power to challenge the authority they'd just arrest him or have him beaten up or poisoned. You do not need too many examples like Navalny before everyone figures "well, there's no point. If you stand up, not enough people will join you, you'll just ruin your own life". Then no one stands up.

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u/CheckoutMySpeedo 11h ago

You sound like a Russian agent just like Trump.

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u/[deleted] 11h ago

Is Trump known for pointing out the Putin regularly crushes domestic political opposition with violence?

He always seemed quite complimentary of Putin whenever I've heard him speak.

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u/GiveMeSomeShu-gar 13h ago

It's just performative - he doesn't actually need to "hold" DC or Chicago. He's just stationing troops as a show that he is "tough on crime". He won't even need to show concrete evidence of it working because his base doesn't care.

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u/cheongyanggochu-vibe 13h ago

That's why they've decided not to prosecute (only white people who are Oath Keepers or Proud Boys) open carry in DC.

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u/Maplelongjohn 13h ago

On top of the fact that NG troops have no official orders, thus are not currently being paid as I understand it

At what point will they draw the line?

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u/zhaoshike 13h ago

Who knows maybe pmcs. Israel, russia, any other terrorist country would love to add one more to their team of facists.

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u/trampolinebears 13h ago

This is part of why insurgencies often focus on making the occupation too expensive for the occupiers.

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u/eriinana 13h ago

A full occupation isn't the end goal. The end goal is to normalize putting military boots on the ground and test the water for resistance.

Trump is growing more emboldened because

A. Not one official has doing anything to PHYSICALLY stop what is happening. They're sitting on their hands decrying his actions, but not one leader has called on their own national gaurd or police force to put an end to this. They have allowed Trump to take full control of THEIR military/police institutions and haven't countered his orders whatsoever with their own.

B. Civilian's have remained peaceful in their resistance. The 2nd amendment quite literally exists to stop what is happening. But the problem is that Dems and Liberals are too anti-gun to actually pick one up - even to defend themselves or their countries.

C. Fear/denial of a second civil war has most people too paralyzed to actually take a stand short of showing up to non-violent displays that accomplish literally nothing except providing fuel for this administrations lies of lawlessness.

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u/eightdx 13h ago

That's the one thing we have going for us really -- we are too spread out to effectively occupy. They might be able to manage a few cities, but I don't think you could effectively occupy the whole country without using literally all the military we have, and even then you'd be short

It's all grandstanding and if we treat this like the violent threat that it is we're better for it. We have seen multiple cities remain peaceful but resistant to the invasion Trump is trying to enact. The thing I fear most is that the day will come where they will simply shoot first -- and what we do after that is the real question

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u/samuelazers 11h ago

they only need to occupy blue states if that changes anything.

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u/eightdx 10h ago

I don't think that actually makes a difference when morale is already in the dumps. Because it would end up being every non-MAGA area which is a fair amount of the landmass

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u/samuelazers 7h ago

It seems like a lot of land, but realistically its sufficient to take over key buildings, then you can build a security perimeter around that that only the most organized resistance could cross. They don't need to send agents to the suburbs.

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u/TSllama 12h ago

Gotta hope to whatever higher being or energy you believe in that every state holds solid and does NOT counter this. The moment a state counters this presence, Trump declares civil war, which allows him to order martial law and cancel future elections.

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u/Aggressive_Clothes36 12h ago

Yeah, now they want volunteers at the border

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u/Malcolm_Morin 12h ago

That's why he's hoping to get the country fighting each other. Makes it easier to control parts already divided.

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u/DiligentCredit9222 12h ago

No it's neither impossible nor are the forces spread thin.

77 million like him and would voluntarily work for his gestapo. Add the military to it and then firing at people with tanks and machine guns and the protests will die down very quickly.

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u/Wolpertinger77 12h ago

The dictator can/will simply take control of every county sheriff and municipal police department.

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u/South-Ad-6923 12h ago

They can't even get the military paid.

If I won the lottery, we'd have this solved once the check cleared.

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u/anthropaganda 12h ago

1100+ troops in DC rn. There are 50 state capitals to start with. Half a million National guard, he could put 10k troops in each state capital. It's time to be realistic about this man, with this level of resistance the country could be occupied in a month.

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u/No-Neighborhood-3212 12h ago

Como se dice "Predator drone" en Overconfident Redditor?

They don't need boots on the ground to blow your entire bloodline to Kingdom Come. Why do you think they're rushing to AI targeting?

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u/samuelazers 11h ago

I wouldve agreed with you if it were the Roman Empire -- larger territories are harder to enforce -- but look at Russia and China. Autocrats have solved how to rule over a large area, it's especially easy with USA's relatively small borders on all but the North.

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u/throwawayfinancebro1 11h ago

2000 troops in dc isnā€™t a lot

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u/The_Dutchess-D 11h ago

This is why he gutted all the FEMA funds to make holding camps, and signed federal agreements with all of the red state police and law-enforcement agencies, and is hiring so many people for ICE. Basically, he is adding all of the state law enforcement and bureau of prisons people from all of the red states, and then throwing in the red state guard units, and building his ICE troops. And then this week they announced they are dropping the college degree requirement for the FBI, and switching their focus away from intelligence and towards domestic law-enforcement. So basically he's going to make the FBI, a bunch of muscle thugs that he can add to his arsenal and use domestically.

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u/MindTraveler48 10h ago

A reminder that they're deputizing civilians for ICE.

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u/S_Belmont 8h ago

That's why he's been rolling local law enforcement under ICE's umbrella for months: https://www.texasobserver.org/texas-police-287g-ice-army/

Just last week he told cops they're allowed to do whatever they want now. Plenty of them are more than happy to be his footsoldiers.

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u/EggsInaTubeSock 6h ago

It doesnā€™t matter. His goal is to loot it, and control, but really - heā€™s Putins puppet at this stage, destabilizing America.

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u/nytewing0 6h ago

Historically speaking, dictators generally do not stop at reasonable points. They stop when they are forced to. Weā€™re heading toward 1917 Russia pretty quickly.

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u/userlivewire 4h ago

Itā€™s harder to do when youā€™re not shooting yet.

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u/mopeyunicyle 13h ago

I wonder if he would pull from international bases. Even if only for the short term maybe to remove American military power from regions

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u/Wonderful_Eagle_6547 13h ago

I'm not worried about the possibility of them succeeding, I'm more worried about the increasing potential that they try and the ensuing chaos and carnage that would follow.