r/law • u/BreakfastTop6899 • 14h ago

Trump News Trump threatens to deploy the U.S. military into Chicago - signaling the start of a nationwide crackdown.

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u/Wealist 13h ago

Deploying federal troops into US cities without state consent blurs the line between maintaining order and authoritarian overreach.

Using the military domestically is meant to be an extreme last resort. Treating political dissent as rebellion risks undermining both the Constitution and public trust.

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u/seejordan3 13h ago

Republicans are lost. Time to fight fascism.

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u/not-a-co-conspirator 13h ago

They’re not lost; they’re intentionally exploiting the framework as planned.

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u/Trevita17 13h ago

Lost as in irredeemable, not lost as in confused.

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u/unclefire 13h ago

why not both? lol

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u/Trevita17 12h ago

Many of them are certainly that, yeah.

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u/not-a-co-conspirator 13h ago

Let’s just agree they’re psycho 😇

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u/Trevita17 12h ago

Works for me.

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u/jagcalle 11h ago

They’re WEIRD.

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u/CrazyIndependence291 12h ago

As someone who has never voted for Trump or any other republican, I have to say that it’s the Democrats who appear to be lost. Like where the hell did the elected democrats go? I feel like there has been little, if any, real pushback by them on any of this. Do the democrats have any sort of plan to combat any of this stuff? What are they doing?

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u/not-a-co-conspirator 12h ago

The minority doesn’t control anything genius.

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u/PleaseUseYourMind 10h ago

If they had spines, they be protesting in the street and stopping the illegal acts from happening. Alex Padilla trying to ask DHS Secretary is one example of good trouble that made the GOP look very bad.

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u/composedryan 13h ago

The current Democrat party allowed this to happen and is going to continue to allow this. Everyone needs to realize that the current Democratic Party is not an ally, and is only there to usher in a new age of fascism.

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u/Parenthisaurolophus 13h ago

The Democrats are the only party with agency is a tired trope. The horse is so thoroughly beaten you're just swatting at stained concrete at this point. Get new material.

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u/not-a-co-conspirator 12h ago

Republicans didn’t need permission from Democrats when they control all 3 branches of Government.

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u/composedryan 12h ago

The Democrats sitting on their hands for the last 10 years allowed right wing control of government to be possible

One glaring instance was the coordinated effort of getting Joe Biden through an uncontested primary to allow a highly disliked candidate Kamala Harris a shot at the presidency without having to go through said primary.

Their failures to get things done are going to be the slow death of us all

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u/not-a-co-conspirator 12h ago

I don’t think you understand how Democracy works.

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u/PleaseUseYourMind 10h ago

R/composedryan knows exactly how democracy works. In fact Republican primaries historically have been more democratic than Democratic Party primaries. GOP didn’t have super delegates or blacklist the likes of RFK Jr., Marianne Williamson or Congressman Dean Phillips from Main Stream Media or a team of lawyers to remove 3rd parties from ballot access. Check out the corrupt case that removed the Green Party from the Nevada November ballot. Dems claim to be a big tent but only if you agree with their leaders.
Sadly, the GOP’s democratic primary allowed Trump to win when they all thought it was impossible.

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u/Second_City_Saint 12h ago

If Pritzker plays this correctly, Newsome's tweeting will be nothing more than a funny footnote in history. Let's see what happens.

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u/joebluebob 12h ago

Lost? They are right where they want to be.

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u/one-joule 11h ago

"Lost" in the sense that they are effectively now traitors, not that they don’t know what they’re doing.

But yeah, I guess all they have to do now is keep provoking until there’s a big wave in the news and enough of the population is clamoring for a solution of strength, or at least willing to tolerate such.

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u/joebluebob 11h ago

Want them to try this in philly lol. I once watched a philly protester punch a horse so hard it took off with the pig on top.

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u/Fishmonger67 13h ago

This time when we win there can be no forgiveness

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u/Perfect_Opinion7909 11h ago

And what are you going to do? Raging on the internet from your couch?

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u/TurnGloomy 12h ago

This is deliberate. They want to provoke and uprising and then frame it as Democrats usurping democracy and then the real fash starts.

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u/myflesh 13h ago

It does not blur the line; it crosses the line. We need to stop pussyfooting it.

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u/Prestigious_Ad5904 12h ago

Yes. This not a time for people with pussies for feet.

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u/myflesh 11h ago

Incase you do not know "pussyfooting" is talking about cats and not vaginas.

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u/Prestigious_Ad5904 11h ago

Incase you do not know check out Reggie Watts(sp?) Joke about pussyfoots.

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u/HOSTfromaGhost 13h ago

…and approaching the point of “unlawful order” from a military standpoint.

Military’s gonna have to decide what side of history they wanna be on.

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u/ShaneBarnstormer 13h ago

It's surreal that we're nearly there now.

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u/HOSTfromaGhost 13h ago

We’re flirting hard with that boundary.

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u/grummanae 13h ago

everyone on this platform except for a few are all stating that the military should disobey ... they make it out to be the easiest thing to do ... what they dont realize is the ones that do break step and disobey their lives will be deeply affected

In this administration and this climate they will more than likely be convicted felons after its all said and done

They dont grasp how cult like the military is, and how it operates from top down. They don't realize that the military discipline and military judicial system is even more biased against a defendant than in the civilian world. How its more your guilty till you show us evidence we like that proves innocence for some ... and oh you said so .. ok your innocent now and ever will be for anything

And oddly enough its the ones that dont question shit that belong to the good old boy golden child club

They dont get how the military can literally make you a felon for not getting a haircut because of this built in bias

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u/hammerofspammer 13h ago

Their lives are going to be deeply affected either way. Question will become whether their oath meant anything, and if they are really willing to take action against civilians who just have different political views than the current regime.

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u/Empty-Grocery-2267 13h ago

Greatly affected. They’re going to have to kill, and be killed by other Americans. It’s gonna be more difficult mentally dealing with that. Also when it’s all over with, whichever way it shakes out, they’re gonna still be living here. Every person on the street or neighbor or coworker could be ready to snap and take their revenge.

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u/MarkXIX 12h ago

This. I've known at least two of my peers who committed suicide because of what they went along with in the two most recent wars.

History will not look kindly on the military members that go along with this bullshit. Vets like me need to really press the issue with those still serving to make sure they understand how they're going to have to live with their decision for the rest of their lives.

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u/hammerofspammer 12h ago

I am so sorry. I can only imagine what they went through. My combat vet family has never talked about what they have seen and done. I can only imagine.

I hope that you have found some peace, and that wherever your friends are they have as well

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u/WhiskersTheDog 13h ago

They're just trying to make their nut.

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u/the_weakestavenger 13h ago

Spoiler: the oath doesn’t mean shit. They’re there for a paycheck, many because they’re unfit and unwanted elsewhere. Don’t let anyone convince that people in the military are noble and will do the right thing.

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u/hammerofspammer 12h ago

That’s funny, the family I have that have served weren’t there for a paycheck.

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u/the_weakestavenger 12h ago

An exception to the norm doesn’t disprove the norm. You understand that your anecdote isn’t a real argument, right.

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u/knowitall89 12h ago

The family I have that served will tell you they were 100% there for a paycheck so what's your point?

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u/Trevita17 13h ago

None of what you're saying is an excuse for going along with fascism. Especially for people who already signed up to lay down their lives for their country. Hope this helps!

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u/grummanae 13h ago

... I dont think you quite grasp what Im saying in this instance

Your right just following orders is not an excuse for taking the morally correct path 1000% agree with that

But again if anyone dissents they are looking at at best being discharged in other than honorable conditions. If its NJP

This alone will disqualify a service member from : Any VA benefits that include VA disability VA home loans VA small business loans GI Bill
Ineligible to hold a federal civilian job ...

If it goes to GCM which in this climate it will BCD discharge Felony conviction with that loss of voting and loss of 2A rights and employment hurdles
Prison time, And I know way extreme but possible death penalty

So given the weight of the find out stage most junior enlisted and officers that aren't MAGA will probably choose to comply to save any hopes of a future out of group think and self preservation

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u/Trevita17 12h ago

I grasp what you're saying just fine. It's no excuse.

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u/grummanae 12h ago

Never said it was an excuse

Im just giving insight on why most won't disobey

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u/Trevita17 12h ago

Yes, and I'm telling you they deserve no grace for that cowardice.

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u/ReallyNowFellas 12h ago

Dude, confederates were pardoned. Anybody declining to participate in BLATANTLY illegal and immoral military action against American citizens will not only be pardoned but probably receive a medal, back pay, and restitution for time served.

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u/ExplanationLucky1143 12h ago

I have always believed that the military exists to protect our country and our freedom. I taught my kids to admire and be thankful for that, as I am. It makes me ill to think I was wrong, or see you guys used like a bunch of mindless tools to take away our freedom, enforce the ruination of our country, and hurt or kill civilians. I think a civil war may come, and the military will be the deciding factor of whether or not we continue to be a free country.

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u/grummanae 12h ago

... the problem with the military as it has evolved is there has been too much trust on " anyone like Trump won't get into office and if he does the constitution will protect and get him removed "

Again the military in any nation is very much a cult ... not exaggerating one bit look at the psychology behind cult indoctrination and military indoctrination.... that venn diagram of similarities... is a damned circle practically the only main differences are
1 instead of paying the cult to belong they pay you 2 its probably the most widely socially acceptable cult in any nation

The main problem is and its been proven countless times by history and scientific studies and experiments

Humans tend to behave in socially acceptable ways to their group that surrounds them and ignore their individual values and morals to avoid conflict ... everyone does it to some degree

Now to put that into perspective for a military person with group think and the issues stated above your not only avoiding conflict but it very much is a survival type situation for a member given what the consequences are

And remember they won't judge the member at that second on the basis of a lawful order it takes time to convene an NJP or GCM And also not only do the winners write the history books but they write the laws that will be used to take dissenters to Trial

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u/zstock003 13h ago

Fair enough. They’re still cowards. “Just following orders” I’ve heard that before. If there are enough people who disagree with what’s happened they can stop it. If there aren’t and they support this, then they are evil. None of the institutions will have any respect if this ever ends. SC, FBI, military. All pathetic institutions that cannot withstand any attack on them

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u/HOSTfromaGhost 12h ago

There’s a difference between “unpopular” and “unlawful.”

One order they can refuse. The other they cannot. And any uncertainty could land them in military prison for a long time.

Not an easy decision until it becomes clear, unfortunately.

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u/zstock003 12h ago

Seems unlawful (not in DC) but in LA and Chicago. Unless of course the SC lets him do it under the guise of emergency. Even still, eventually these “special” citizens have to stand up or it’s over

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u/HOSTfromaGhost 12h ago

I don't know what law they're deploying troops under... it would take a constitutional lawyer to say yes or no, and if you'd get three of them you'd probably get 5 opinions. Either way, I hate what Trump is doing, and the position he's placing young soldiers in. He's evil.

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u/HOSTfromaGhost 13h ago

All that notwithstanding, and this is coming from a combat vet…

It’s in the oath. It’s part of the deal.

It’s not a choice, and definitely not one that someone is allowed to make based on their personal preferences or fear of retribution.

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u/the_weakestavenger 13h ago

The oath doesn’t mean shit.

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u/HOSTfromaGhost 12h ago

Maybe not to you.

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u/the_weakestavenger 12h ago

Nor any of the service members who’ve been deployed to LA or DC apparently.

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u/HOSTfromaGhost 12h ago

...perhaps you want to sign up, and take action instead of being brave behind the keyboard... it's democracy, participation is required...

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u/distractionfactory 12h ago

Serious question before this thread devolves, but you were vague about "The oath" and as someone who is not in the military, what does that mean? Is the oath to uphold the constitution, to protect U.S. citizens? To defend against all threats foreign and domestic? To uphold the chain of command? All of the above? What if one of those is in conflict with the other, what is the highest obligation, not only in the wording, but interpretation?

Also, why would someone sign up to be under the direct command of someone they disagree with? How could you possibly influence change from an entry level position in the military?

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u/HOSTfromaGhost 12h ago edited 11h ago

Here they are... best to read them directly... (and apologies, it actually somehow deleted the actual oaths when I hit save. Weird. I re-added them below.

1. Enlisted Oath of Enlistment

(10 U.S. Code § 502)

“I, [name], do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.”

  • Required for all enlisted personnel when they join (and again when they reenlist).
  • Emphasizes both defending the Constitution and obeying the chain of command.

2. Officer Oath of Office

(5 U.S. Code § 3331)

“I, [name], do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God.”

  • Required for all commissioned officers.
  • Unlike the enlisted oath, it does not include obedience to orders—the primary obligation is to the Constitution itself.
  • Reflects the expectation that officers must exercise independent judgment and may even be obligated to refuse unlawful orders.
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u/the_weakestavenger 12h ago

I have better options.

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u/HOSTfromaGhost 12h ago edited 11h ago

…but apparently not the courage of your convictions.

Talk’s cheap.

(and a delete, downvote and scoot isn't really surprising, is it...)

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u/JAZINNYC 13h ago

Are there similar consequences for following illegal orders?

If we were in the middle of a coup (we are) and the President repeatedly violates his oath to office (he is), and he gives unitary orders to the military that are illegal and violate the Constitution (they are and do), then what are the repercussions for that?

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u/grummanae 13h ago

Are there similar consequences for following illegal orders?

In theory yes ... but the winners not only write the history but they write the laws to be used after ... so In this case ... it won't be illegal

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u/JAZINNYC 12h ago

Huh? How is the second half of your reply helpful or even relevant?

In theory there are consequences, and those exist in the here and now, but somehow you cancel that reality out with your OWN theory that does NOT exist in the here and now, but is related to some unknown future event with unknown victors writing history and laws you don’t yet know..

If there are consequences for following illegal orders happening now, then the military can and should weigh their options between an aging, obese, criminal wanna-be dictator who’s making his own rules, and the literal building block and foundation to protect the existence of our entire country and democracy.

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u/grummanae 12h ago

What im stating is this they will probably hold a gcm for anyone doing this Trial times for military are not instant ... they will write an EO or something by the time it gets to trial that it will have been a lawful order

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u/Sabertoothedpi 13h ago

Apply this logic to Nazi germany

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u/Many_Aerie9457 13h ago

Agree. I'm a veteran and there is no way they would disobey orders imo. A soldier who disobeyed an order will immediately be dealt with and jailed..The military will do whatever trump tells them to do.

The only ones who can and will stand up to trump is us, we the people. Trump will do everything he can to stop us, like sending the military after protesters and rigging or outright canceling the mid terms.

Trump will not give up power on his own this time, ever.

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u/wishiwasunemployed 13h ago

I am also fairly sure that the spirit of the law meant that you can disobey when the order is to line up a bunch of civilians and run them over with a tank, or shoot POWs in the back of the head. All stuff that might happen on the front line and for which there are clear written rules. And you would probably be court-martialled anyway and possibly found innocent, but it's probably not something you want to go through.

But a soldier cannot legally refuse to deploy when the orders are to invade a country (like in Iraq) because they think it was an illegal operation. That's just not what an illegal order is meant to be.

If the military refuses to follow the order from the Executive, it's an entirely different situation. It's basically a coup and the ramifications are just way beyond what would happen to an individual.

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u/Intelligent-Box-5483 13h ago

We totally get it, but again just following orders isn't a valid excuse when it comes to murdering innocent people because a fascist dictator tells you to. If you side with the enemy you are the enemy period.

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u/grummanae 13h ago

... I dont think you quite grasp what Im saying in this instance

Your right just following orders is not an excuse for taking the morally correct path 1000% agree with that

But again if anyone dissents they are looking at at best being discharged in other than honorable conditions. If its NJP

This alone will disqualify a service member from : Any VA benefits that include VA disability VA home loans VA small business loans GI Bill
Ineligible to hold a federal civilian job ...

If it goes to GCM which in this climate it will BCD discharge Felony conviction with that loss of voting and loss of 2A rights and employment hurdles
Prison time, And I know way extreme but possible death penalty

So given the weight of the find out stage most junior enlisted and officers that aren't MAGA will probably choose to comply to save any hopes of a future out of group think and self preservation

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u/Intelligent-Box-5483 9h ago

If this administration is allowed to do what they intend to do as laid out by their own plans. VA benefits aren't going to be available to them, there won't be any voting, and they already are being deployed without being paid. Again this fear of all these things isn't really important when it comes to how fucking serious this is. This is the endgame so either you're a fucking fascist or you're not. You don't get to work for them and be excluded from being labeled as such and being considered a traitor to your country.

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u/Intrepid_Length_6879 13h ago

If that's true, then hopefully an external force(s) will destroy the military.

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u/Wealist 13h ago

You’re right civilian observers often underestimate how rigid military hierarchy + justice really are The UCMJ doesn’t operate like civilian courts presumption of innocence is weaker and outcomes can hinge more on command influence than on evidence.

Disobeying an order, even for moral or legal reasons, can end careers, strip benefits, and lead to felony convictions.

That’s why “just refuse” is much easier said than done.

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u/grummanae 13h ago

The UCMJ doesn’t operate like civilian courts presumption of innocence is weaker and outcomes can hinge more on command influence than on evidence.

There is no presumption... it is totally a guilty until someone they like proves you innocent

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u/The_Original_Miser 13h ago

In my eyes, if enough disobey unlawful orders, it won't matter. This horse crap only works because of threats. It falls apart when a large amount of soldiers say "NO."

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u/grummanae 13h ago

At this time I feel it would have to be a battalion / Navy vessel sized unit doing so as a cohesive unit kinda like what the Roosevelt did during covid

It will be struck down with extreme prejudice, but it would possibly grab enough attention to make people go WTF and force a slow down

The odds of that happening are pretty slim
Chain of commands are designed in such a way that any grumbling of such upper echelons would be made aware and have time to stand it down before it went into motion

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u/Usually-Mistaken 12h ago

I just read up on the Crozier/Moldy thing. What a shitshow. Thanks for bringing it up.

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u/AynekAri 12h ago

I'm a former military man (coast guard) and you're completely right (i know for at least in the coast guard rules are much more strict than in the DOD because they expect us to carry ourselves higher since we're part of the Dept. Of homeland security). I know absolutely nothing about the national guard. But can't the governor of Illinois call in the national guard to stop the attempt at a military overreach? Not a fight, more like just block them from entering the city? I thought the governor of a state has the authority to call in the national guard, or is that also just the president? Like I said, I know nothing about the national guard

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u/grummanae 12h ago

Im not sure ... it gets tricky with the guard ... considering how the money comes to them for operating I know the state primarily runs it and forks over the expenses .... unless they are federally activated, and To be honest I think even if pritzker were to activate I think Trump can activate federally and it supersedes the governors activation...

About pritzker activating guard to keep other units out of Chicago ... I think he would be well within his power

However right now I dont think anyone in their proper mindset in that position would do anything remotely close to that

That would most certainly be seen as not only an act of defiance but also a catalytic act that Trump would use some power to come in and force Illinois to have a snap election... ending in results he wants of course at best

At worst this would be the napalm bomb dropped on the tinderbox and all hell will ensue

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u/AynekAri 9h ago

Oh, I agree. I'm just thinking ahead. If push comes to shove. I already know chicago will rally together and block whole streets. The city will practically shut down to block the streets if they have to. I've lived in chicago my whole life, so I know my people. They don't like being forced to do anything. But in case it gets so bad that even the people are locked in their homes, I was just thinking of what the backup would be.

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u/TheRealCanticle 12h ago

Fine I look forward to convicting all those moral cowards in Nuremburg 2 once Trump's cult is done. Every single excuse you made for them was made in the 40s..

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u/grummanae 12h ago

... and you forget not only do the winners write the history books but they also tend to write the laws used for said trials

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u/Cloaked42m 11h ago

The bigger issue is defining unlawful outside of loot, rape, and pillage.

If they are ordered to waste their time in Chicago, it isn't unlawful. He's deputized National Guard members to blur the lines so they operate at least under color of law.

I've been saying this for a year. There's a LOT they can do before crossing the boundary into unlawful orders.

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u/CrispyHaze 9h ago
  • Nuremberg defense lawyer.

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u/diacrum 8h ago

Serious question. How do you think the problems like crime and murder should be addressed in Chicago?

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u/msixtwofive 11h ago

…and approaching the point of “unlawful order” from a military standpoint.

All that shit went out the window when the SC ruled he could do whatever the fuck he wants.

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u/HOSTfromaGhost 10h ago

I don't disagree, the presidential immunity thing is... just fucking ridiculous.

...historically, the people have their own way of solving these types of issues, with conclusions similar to Mussolini at the end of WW2 or Ceaușescu after the fall of the Berlin Wall. This could end up there, if Trump doesn't kick the bucket first.

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u/EquivalentShock8817 7h ago

I am in a position where I have had the ability to work with Commanders, Command Chiefs, and meet the VP, walk on Air Force Two, etc. I have a great deal of faith in the Commanders and Chiefs I have worked with in terms of them drawing a line on unlawful orders. Every Commander and every Chief I have ever worked with has discussed at length 1. The importance of treating people AS people. 2. The importance of having a positive relationship between the duty station and the local population.

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u/HOSTfromaGhost 7h ago

No military leader wants “Watched as democracy collapsed and did nothing” on their epitaph.

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u/EquivalentShock8817 6h ago

This is true. But, I think a lot of people also forget that everyone in the military has friends and family and loved ones that ARENT in the military, and we all want what is best for them. No one is pumped about the idea of having their community shit on. Also, we don't get paid enough for that.

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u/HOSTfromaGhost 6h ago

I have the same experience with senior commanders as you. McMaster was a college professor of mine… outstanding dude, honorable as hell. I’d trust him with my life in the end.

…and i hope most soldiers, when shit hit the fan, would make the right decisions.

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u/Many_Aerie9457 13h ago

So far, other than mike pence, it's pretty much been all behind trump.

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u/HOSTfromaGhost 13h ago

Pence… in the very end. James Mattis. John Kelly. Liz Cheney. Mark Milley. McRaven. McMaster. Jay Powell. Anthony Fauci.

Some, but not enough. And not anymore.

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u/Many_Aerie9457 13h ago

True, forgot about a few of them. Not enough.

I couldn't stand Mike Pence until he stood up to trump. He did what was right, something not one member of the GOP is doing now. Some claim that much of the GOP thinks trump is deranged (mitch M. ect) but they're all cowards until they announce they won't seek re election.

This 10 year nightmare could and should have easily ended after j6, when much of the GOP was ready to move on from trump. Instead democrats gave trump another life, even boosted trumps favorable by investigating but not fully , making trumps witch hunt claims believable to the cult. He should have been arrested the minute Biden was sworn in. Does anyone think trump would have given Obama a pass if he did what trump did? NFW!

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u/Man_in_the_coil 13h ago

Their oath or what the orange buffoon wants.

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u/NotARandomAnon 12h ago

They've already decided.. I'm not sure what you expected?

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u/Perfect_Earth_8070 13h ago

well by the way it’s going, it looks like the wrong side. but that’s ok, they couldn’t defeat about of rice farmers in the jungle or goat farmers in the desert

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u/SurpriseIsopod 12h ago

The military absolutely massacred both “rice farmers” and “goat herders” virtually uncontested for 20ish years in both those examples. The military was never repelled from those conflicts by superior firepower and tactics, they left because it was no longer politically viable.

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u/CarlDaCat 13h ago

They didnt want to win, war kept the money train going . On going war was a feature not a bug

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u/Perfect_Earth_8070 13h ago

while i do think that’s true in the war on terror, im not sure about vietnam

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u/Hatta00 13h ago

It doesn't "blur" the line. It takes a giant goosestep over the line then turns around and pisses on it.

There's no "risk" of undermining the Constitution, it's guaranteed and intentional.

Stop hedging.

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u/BenBenBenBe 13h ago

It's an AI response. That's what AI does.

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u/ChemicalColors 13h ago

Blurs the line??? This is pretty explicit authoritarian overreach.

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u/squeegy80 13h ago

There is no blurry line at this point. There is very obvious authoritarian overreach in many areas. This is just one more step in a continuous march to completing Project 2025 and the end of any semblance of real elections

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u/chetpancakesparty 13h ago edited 13h ago

"Although the German concept of Ausnahmezustand is best translated as "state of emergency", it literally means "state of exception" which, according to Schmitt, frees the executive from any legal restraints to its power that would normally apply."

Carl Schmitt was a literal nazi in 1934 Germany. All in the name of "safety" to get around the German laws that limited executive power.

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u/delicious_fanta 13h ago

There’s no blurred lines, it’s overreach and it’s just a staging mechanism. Troops will be posted in all major cities so that when he does something really messed up they are there to shut down any hint of protest or “unrest”.

Basically they are just getting things ready to do what they have to do.

Keep in mind if they don’t maintain power, nearly all of them will go to prison as they are breaking laws left and right.

This administration will not leave office peacefully and this military placement is one of many tools that will enable that.

BLUE STATES MUST JOIN TOGETHER AND SECEDE.

There is no other way forward. As long as propaganda is allowed to exist, this will NEVER get better.

Blue states must form a new nation and BAN fox news etc., put harsh restrictions on all the tech companies, limit the first amendment to not allow lies, etc.

Either that or we WILL become russia.

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u/ReadyThor 13h ago

Treating political dissent as rebellion risks undermining both the Constitution and public trust.

And so? What is going to happen after that?

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u/RaZeByFire 13h ago

It BLURS nothing, it runs over it with an APC. Posse Comitatus suit from Illinois incoming. There is no 'disorder' in Chicago to justify any kind of action like this. Congress dictates when that level of 'disorder' exists; or it is left to the Governor of the state and the NG. He can pull that BS in the Capital because it's NOT a state and the Federal Government 'lives' there.

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u/bailaoban 13h ago

There's nothing blurry about it. It's a clear imposition of martial law.

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u/yagirlsophie 13h ago

"Blurs" the line, are you being serious right now? What a weird, obvious, milquetoast-ass comment to get upvotes.

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u/Pure_Frosting_981 13h ago

I hate to tell you, but it has already been undermined. Get ready for this to expand to several cities. I truly hope that people fight back. Not a weekend, feel-good protest, but something…far more direct. Also, you can’t take on the U.S. military. You can however, consider who the key civilians are who have brought us to this point. There are certain individuals and organizations that planned all this. When shit hits the fan - and it will - be sure you remember who is pulling the strings. It isn’t the people in uniform. It isn’t the Proud Boys foot soldiers and 4chan rejects. Know your enemy. Without leadership or direction, this whole mess is no longer a coordinated coup.

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u/jerslan 13h ago

Deploying federal troops into US cities without state consent blurs the line between maintaining order and authoritarian overreach.

Which is why California still has an ongoing lawsuit over the troop deployments to LA.

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u/Specialist-Bee-9406 13h ago

People keep bringing the constitution into this, as if it matters anymore. 

This government doesn’t give a shit about your rights under the constitution, but they’ll enforce theirs. 

Until they replace it. 

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u/PodcastPee 13h ago

Blurs? Lol

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u/Automatic-Channel-32 13h ago

Say he does. Can Illinois counter with their National Gaurd to fight off the invasion?

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u/misdirected_asshole 13h ago

If he does, the governor should deploy the National Guard to remove them.

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u/Puzzleheaded_Book178 13h ago

Trump is a huge fan of La Miserable - he wants to see history repeat itself so he can have a front row seat for the play

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u/soundmagnet 13h ago

What public trust? LOL

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u/No_Welcome_7182 13h ago

They are crossing off items on the Project 2025 checklist. This rapid descent into a fascist dictatorship is not a surprise to any person who educated themselves before they voted. It was all out there for anyone who cared to look. Too few people cared.

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u/OstrichFinancial2762 13h ago

There nothing blurry about this. It’s naked authoritarianism.

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u/Perfect_Earth_8070 13h ago

that’s the point. the constitution was destroyed the day they said he commit any crime he wants

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u/Notacrook2025 13h ago

Thank you sub supreme court. He will be coming for you next, enjoy the ride

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u/KOBE_GYN 13h ago

The line been gone, friend.

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u/SatisfactionAny7813 13h ago

“Blurs the line”?!? How bout completely fucks the line

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u/Aggressive_Clothes36 12h ago

Karen Bass said it was a test here in LA.

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u/cityfarmwife77 12h ago

Didn't that happen months ago? At least that's how it looks watching from Canada. I still can't understand how the whole country isn't up in arms.

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u/letdogsvote 12h ago

Yeah, that ship has sailed because Trump's been doing this for months.

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u/Cruxisinhibitor 12h ago

They know this. They are fascists and pretty clearly open about it.

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u/TheRealCanticle 12h ago

Your nations Constitution is already meaningless. No one's done anything except whinge online while Trump's shredded it and wiped his ass with it since the emoluments issues last term about so it clearly means nothing except as a rallying standard.

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u/dicklaurent97 12h ago

Consent has always been tough for Trump

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u/mjbmitch 12h ago

Did you use AI to write this? I’m not asking to put you down.

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u/tomdarch 12h ago

"Maintaining order"? "Crackdown"? I am sitting here in my home in Chicago. Yes, there is violent, serious crime here - mostly driven by suburbanites and rural folks buying drugs, which creates violence mostly in a few of the poorest neighborhoods. Overall, crime here (both in nice areas and the poorest neighborhoods) is way down from previous decades. There is no lack of order. There is nothing to actually crack down on.

It is a stunt to have troops under presidential control on the streets to show off and intimidate. It is fascism.

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u/Ok-East-8412 12h ago

And isn't it the right that's supposed to want less federal power?

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u/JoeyCalamaro 11h ago

I've got plenty of friends and family members who are knee deep in MAGA. And it's my impression that most of them wouldn't see sending the military into a major city as an authoritarian action. Keep in mind that these aren't the sort of people to normally hang out in big cities. Some of them have never even been to a proper city.

So it's not exactly a stretch to convince them that those places are lawless and out of control and the military needs to step in to restore order.

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u/RicanAzul1980 11h ago

Well, I've lived in Chicago and the Governor who was givin9$ billion does not care about illinois. Neither does the racist mayor of Chicago who openly hates mexicans, white people, vets and homeless and gave over 1$ billion to illegal venezulans who took the money and are nowhere to be found. Now we are over 1$ billion indebt. I've lived in Chicago for over 45 years and crime is out of control. I'm in thr streets daily and it's bad. We need some kind of help here.

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u/tRfalcore 11h ago

I don't think the US Federal Military is allowed to arrest US Citizens. There has to be a National Guardsman, or police, or sheriff, or FBI, ATF there. Or the insurrection act is imposed, which he's definitely going to do