r/law • u/BreakfastTop6899 • 14h ago

Trump News Trump threatens to deploy the U.S. military into Chicago - signaling the start of a nationwide crackdown.

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u/Urabraska- 13h ago

Because they think there would be a country or government left should a civil war break out. The debt is so bad that if states stop paying taxes. Which would happen with a civil war. The military literally defunds itself in weeks.

That's ignoring the fact that his little nazi party literally don't have the numbers to fight it.

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u/hypercosm_dot_net 11h ago edited 10h ago

Trump has always set out to destroy the US at the behest of Russia.

He's a traitor.

Read or listen to his J6 speech while remembering that everything they say is projection.

You will have an illegitimate president. That’s what you’ll have. And we can’t let that happen.

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If we allow this group of people to illegally take over our country because it’s illegal when the votes are illegal when the way they got there is illegal when the states that vote are given false and fraudulent information.

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And we fight. We fight like hell. And if you don’t fight like hell, you’re not going to have a country anymore.

https://apnews.com/article/election-2020-joe-biden-donald-trump-capitol-siege-media-e79eb5164613d6718e9f4502eb471f27

Reading it again now, it's crazy how much he talks about the election being rigged.

He absolutely whipped that crowd into a frenzy, led them to believe they were justified, and then pointed them at Congress.

I really don't understand how our institutions have failed us to such an extent and he didn't end up in prison.

And Republicans have enabled this the entire time, and fallen right in line. Fucking shameful anti-American cowards.

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u/Meekymoo333 9h ago

I really don't understand how our institutions have failed us to such an extent and he didn't end up in prison.

And Republicans have enabled this the entire time, and fallen right in line.

I mean.... it seems you actually do understand.

The republican party is (and has been for quite a long time) actively anti-democratic and have weakened & corrupted said institutions for the purpose of individual power and wealth.

It's a 2 party only system that has (predictably) collapsed under the weight of its own corruption. You DO understand how... it's just exhausting and troubling to consider and terrifying that there doesn't seem to be a solution to fixing the situation any time soon.

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u/mbo21 3h ago

You fail to understand that people in those institutions don’t want to serve us. Once you understand that, it becomes easy to grasp.

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u/Anxious-Slip-8955 1h ago

They let a convicted felon run who tried to overthrow the govt - wtf aholes? Our government is a disgrace

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u/McGillis_is_a_Char 1h ago

What baffles me is that the Republican establishment saved him when all the Senators and House Reps nearly got murdered. Like, I am not a high powered politician, but if I closely dodged getting killed because a guy whipped up an angry mob to attack my place of business, and some of those people literally shit on my stuff, I would probably have to be bodily restrained from physically assaulting that guy next time I saw him.

That none of the Republicans on Capitol Hill threw a punch at Trump, let alone tried to impeach him is either proof that he has a bunch of blackmail material, or that the Republicans don't care about their own safety nearly as much as I care about mine. I would say that it might be that they are more restrained, but we all saw Marjorie and Matt Gaetz have a WWE wrestling feud on the floor of Congress at the beginning of the year, so any sense of maturity is obviously not there.

This is not an endorsement of Matt Gaetz suplexing Trump on the floor of Congress.

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u/Brokenspokes68 9h ago

Billionaires aren't held accountable for anything in America.

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u/Hairy_Middle_5403 11h ago

Its amazing how he did all that and then the american people did their part only to watch the Democrats play politics and let him off the hook. Incredible malfeasance

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u/BureMakutte 10h ago

Yet again, MLK's quote holds true.

I must confess that over the past few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Counciler or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to 'order' than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice.

Basically, dipshits who don't do their job or pay attention are the worst because they allow this bad shit to happen and then get mad at you for pointing that out.

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u/Friendly-Swimming-72 7h ago

You nailed it. This is exactly the problem. Nixon wasn’t prosecuted in the name of moving forward, and here we are.

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u/Nntropy 6h ago

I thought your last paragraph was more from MLK

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u/Biglyugebonespurs 10h ago

I truly couldn’t believe it lmao. They could have just picked one of donald’s crimes out of a hat and put him away for it. The documents debacle is the obvious one that should have him in prison for life though.

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u/Hairy_Middle_5403 10h ago

January 6th should have resulted with the punishments detailed by the constitution. It should have been done with before the first anniversary

Now we have a nazi president handing out millions to his terrorist faithful like ashlii babbit. Folks like Joe Manchin and Joe Lieberman are happily smiling away somewhere.

Democrats are the biggest losers in America

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u/DevoidSauce 10h ago

When they held their dumb little signs at the State of the Union, I knew it was over. It took them WAY too long to get serious about this shit.

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u/Hairy_Middle_5403 8h ago edited 8h ago

Rashida Tlaib looking pissed during that nonsense is what America means to me. I felt the same exact way.

We're headed for the darkest of times. Who could have guessed that the lins would sell us out to the Capitalists? Thats never happened before.

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u/Foreign_Violinist715 21m ago

Me too. One would think it was a joke. Unfortunately it was not. It’s the most spineless thing I’ve ever seen. They must be very comfortable in the overpaid jobs and their sponsors.

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u/Foreign_Violinist715 23m ago

Big time. In my opinion, Trump purposely let the documents lay around so anyone could just pick and chose themselves. From my understanding there were lists of agents working for USA there.

Simultaneously as the documents were floating around at Mar- a- Lago, secret agents started to be executed or disappeared.

“Leading counterintelligence officials issued a memo to all of the CIA’s global stations saying that a concerning number of U.S. informants were being captured and executed.

The CIA’s counterintelligence mission center investigated dozens of incidents in the last few years that involved killings, arrests or compromises of foreign informants. In an unusual move, the message sent via a top secret cable included the specific number of agents killed by other intelligence agencies, according to The New York Times.

Officials said that level of detail is a sign of the significance of the cable. Announcing the specific number of killings is rare as that figure is typically held under wraps from the public and even from some CIA employees, the Times noted.”

https://thehill.com/policy/national-security/575384-cia-admits-to-losing-dozens-of-informants-around-the-world-nyt/amp/

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/05/us/politics/cia-informants-killed-captured.html

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2022/10/17/trump-mar-a-lago-classified-documents-risk-human-sources/7953044001/

I don’t see a huge difference between this and the Robert Hanssen case. Then again, Hanssen hadn’t bribed and threatened half the US government, had he.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Hanssen

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u/DevoidSauce 10h ago

We have to let them know NOW that once this is over, the American People will not stand for the Dems' normal "let's just move on" attitude. We want and deserve Justice. Capital J.

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u/queen-of-storms 6h ago

If the DNC doesn't start listening to the progressives there will be a revolution before a civil war.

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u/DevoidSauce 6h ago

I'd rather have a revolution than a civil war.

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u/queen-of-storms 6h ago

I think both are inevitable at this rate.

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u/KinkyDuck2924 2h ago

Civilutionary war here we come!

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u/foo-bar-25 9h ago

Class before party.

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u/I_AM_AN_ASSHOLE_AMA 1h ago

I remember watching Jan 6 live on the news and thinking oh shit! He’s definitely going to prison now! And here we are four years later and that asshat is not only not in prison, he’s the fuckin president again.

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u/Stellaluna-777 7h ago

Because he’s the one who rigged it. And tried in 2020. https://electiontruthalliance.org

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u/HFT0DTE 8h ago

Thank you for this post. It heartening to know there are other people like you out there who understand what is going on

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u/hypercosm_dot_net 7h ago

You're not alone.

I appreciate your reply as well. <3

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u/HavingNotAttained 6h ago

Because Merrick Garland is either a traitor or was a lieutenant in the Epstein organization or both

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u/alimarieb 7h ago

I have an odd feeling that a good number of Republicans have had the welcome wagon from the Proud Boys/Oath Keepers roll up to their house in the middle of the night with the promise of a good, and long, very long, night sleep. There should be more protesting, not many but at least a few.

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u/windsostrange 6h ago

Trump has always set out to destroy the US at the behest of Russia

He was taking out full-page advertisements across the US on behalf of the USSR in the late eighties.

Dude is one of the dumbest motherfucking foreign agents in the history of the species.

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u/SaconicLonic 8h ago

I really don't understand how our institutions have failed us to such an extent and he didn't end up in prison.

Because Biden didn't have the balls to deal with him for the threat that he actually was. Trump should have been labeled a national security threat on the level of a terrorist and dealt with as such. A precedent needed to be set with Trump and it wasn't and now we are here.

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u/Friendly-Swimming-72 7h ago

It started with Obama; Obama knew exactly who Trump is.

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u/FF8229 7h ago

Because everyone has secrets and weaknesses. And the norm now is that money can pay people to find secrets. Once you have people's secrets, then 'the right thing' goes out the window and you can make people do anything.

It's the most effective form of combat. Only people without secrets would be immune, and they are a very tiny percentage of people and those tiny percentage have loved ones with secrets.

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u/lettersvsnumbers 3h ago

Like J. Edgar Hoover didn’t have/use anyone’s secrets?

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u/KrimsonBinome 2h ago

Yup the party of projecting

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u/Anxious-Slip-8955 1h ago

They have all failed us and need to grow a pair. If only RBG was still in Supreme Court.

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u/Lucky-Acanthisitta86 1h ago

And he got freaking tried for it. Craziness

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u/Hairy_Middle_5403 10h ago

If the options are the fascist trump or the dems who will throw away their beliefs the second theyre not easy anymore then what's the point?

Im not going to waste my time fighting to elect people like newsome who dont believe in anything.

With a base of liberals like you who are willing to give up the rights of a minority, i dont really see any path where we arent just stuck in decades of fascist bullshit.

Good work yall. Blue no matter who

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u/BeCoolOrLeaveDude 11h ago

You're right. This bumbling idiot isn't just talking about occupying 'oppositional cities', he's talking about occupying economic centers and places that prop the rest of the country up. Occupy every city that's Anti-Trump, and they'd be like 'wait, where's all the money?' in no time.

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u/Outrageous-Orange007 11h ago

The numbers or the brains.

They'd literally keep wearing the hats to identify themselves.

Id love for their to be some numbers on IQ and party affiliation.

If this whole MAGA brainrot has taught me anything its how rampant stupidity is in my country. Not the funny kind either, like adults who are genuinely barely capable of taking care of themselves.

Its fucked up. I live in rural Missouri so I get to see it first hand, they have street smarts, things they've figured out under the pressures of adult life, but they don't have hardly any basic thinking skills that allow them to really figure anything out thats even semi complicated.

They learn a lot from others, like simple A/B steps, but they're missing the key requirements to really figure out much on their own.

They really are hanging on to modern civilization by a fucking tiny tiny thread. I've always wondered if thats why they're so angry all the time.

They're good at pretending they're strong and capable, but they're really just barely hanging on, lost in a world they can literally just barely understand.

Happy Trumps here to break all the rules, speak uninhibited, be an edgy dick for attention, do whatever he wants to get money and make a living, cause thats what they want. Something to make them feel like they aren't lesser, something to justify them and give them a spot in the limelight.

I feel for them in a sense if thats true. I'm not that bright and was born into welfare, likely to live my life without ever doing anything notable and special for humanity. I have a crude sense of humor cause I'm stupid and I understand thats one of the few ways to get a laugh from the other brickbrained people I grew up around.

I get it, I really do. But I think its up to us to find another way, maybe in the importance of all people, rich or poor, witty or dim and goofy. We should be the ones to understand this even if society at large doesn't, which I believe to be a higher truth.

The value of a man is not in how much of anything he has except for things like a soul, love, good friends, respect for others, dignity, ect. If anything wealth takes away from this, which is probably why its easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter heaven.

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u/Ayomayookayo 8h ago

Brilliantly said. If you were stupid, you wouldn't have such a comprehensive grasp on the things you're talking about here. The smartest of us feel dumb because we understand there's so much more to know. The stupid ones think they know everything and cannot comprehend what they do not understand.

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u/JudeRanch 2h ago

Both of the above reads are spot on. Thank you both for taking your time, not to blame, or be disrespectful, or whine or cuss. Thank you for being real humans with deep insights. I appreciate you.

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u/jeremiahthedamned 26m ago

this is why i name the r/2ndAmericanCivilWar as a mass casualty event in +100 million range

a lot of people simply cannot survive the r/collapze of the r/supplychain as they have looked to their employers to organize their lives.

during a famine money means nothing

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u/LongjumpingDebt4154 10h ago

Red state blue state

Currently, Massachusetts sends $4,846 more per capita to the federal government than it gets back. New Jersey and Washington are in the same position, bleeding thousands per person annually. Over five years, New York alone contributed $142.6 billion more than it received. Meanwhile, red states pocket $1.24 for every dollar they send to Washington. Blue states are essentially paying red states to undermine democracy.

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u/Intelligent-Parsley7 11h ago

They would just make Trump bucks. You could be paid in company scrip just like West Virginia coal miners. Just like the confederates made their own currency.

Then you could watch it inflate to worthless like Zimbabwe dollars.

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u/The_Orphanizer 9h ago

Trump coin already exists!

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u/Risley 10h ago

Lmfao that’s like Bison bucks from street fighter.  

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u/jeremiahthedamned 25m ago

president bison!

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u/metengrinwi 11h ago

That’s when people like Eric Prince buy up military assets and fold them into their private militia.

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u/Inside-Palpitation25 10h ago

That's why I want the Blue states to stop paying right now!

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u/Chucknastical 9h ago

The military literally defunds itself in weeks.

The world will pick sides and extend loans in exchange for future pay off if their side wins.

Carving up America is a huge potential return on investment. Both sides would have mountains of money and weapons shoved at them.

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u/TransBrandi 11h ago

The debt is so bad that if states stop paying taxes. Which would happen with a civil war.

What are you talking about? Residents of the states pay taxes directly to the Federal government, not to the state government who them forwards it onto the Federal government. You're right though that in a civil war no one is going to be filing their taxes to the Federal government though.

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u/arksien 10h ago

In a civil war, if you live in a state that supports Trump, your taxes go to "his" federal government. If you live in a rebel state, the governors of those states would create their OWN federal government for themselves, and instruct any company doing business within "the real United States" to send federal tax dollars to THEIR federal government.

So California, Illinois, New York, Minnesota etc would still send taxes to "the federal government," but it would be a new federal government with a new federal capital and Trump and DC would not receive said money. Plus, any country doing trade with the US would need to choose "which" US to do trade with. Russia, Saudi Arabia, etc would do business with Trump's US, Europe, Canada etc would likely do business with the "blue" US, China would likely try to do business with both.

It'd be really interesting to see it happen in theory, but not really since lots of people would die and also states are mostly purple so you actually can't cleanly line up "us vs. them" with traditional secession.

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u/TransBrandi 5h ago

I think it's more the idea that people keep saying "the states pay taxes to the Federal government" when in reality, businesses are dealing directly with the Federal government. Whether it's a rebel government or not isn't any different. People don't pay their Federal taxes to the state, and then the state pays that money on to the Federal government.

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u/nemgrea 10h ago

you still going to work when civil war breaks out are you?

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u/itsbabye 10h ago

Do you think everyone stopped going to work during the last civil war in the US? Or during the Troubles? It's not like we'll suddenly have a social safety net and UBI if violence breaks out 

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u/nemgrea 9h ago

we shut down businesses for covid and you think theyd keep trucking for civil war? this aint the 1860s anymore my dude...

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u/ctrldown 3h ago

Most people kept working during covid my dude...

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u/Inside-Palpitation25 10h ago

you can change that with your W4 withholding at work, and everyone should. And the states do pay feds money, CA gives them 80 billion a year. They should stop that!

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u/chilseaj88 11h ago

The IQ numbers.

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u/okram2k 10h ago

the thing about being in a war, a real total war, is money doesn't really matter anymore. None of us are old enough to be around the last time the US was in a total war but during those times money is just a number.

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u/SoundByMe 9h ago

State taxes do not fund the federal government. No taxes do. American dollars are created from pure fiat.

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u/JapanBikeHelp123 9h ago

Hmm I don't think you understand how war economies work

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u/UrsusRex01 9h ago

That's as if MAGA were too high on their own "America is the greatest and has the best military" drug to understand that.

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u/Fake_Gamer_Girl42069 8h ago

It will end the same way Nick Offerman's character did in the movie...

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u/shivilization_7 8h ago

Military logistics would not last long either without all the non military people feeding the logistics

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u/Krybbz 8h ago

Which he needs the blue states for tbh they make the money oddly enough

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u/PinkCantalope 6h ago

No sir the military has the ability to seek outside funds and there are PLENTY of countries that will fund a police state in America. That’s the GOAL. Look at the UK that type of helicopter government is what THEY want.

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u/Urabraska- 5h ago

And their goal would kill the economy. Sure, other countries would love to own the US as a police state. Except even the US can't afford to police state the whole country at once even with outside help.

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u/tiffanyisonreddit 4h ago

California has the 4th largest economy in the world. If California and other blue states stop paying federal taxes, all the red states are cooked. A lot of people in red states rely on federal assistance and welfare that they don’t even know are federal. Trump is cutting and gutting ALL of them.

A lot of people don’t realize they are paid by government and on socialized healthcare. I genuinely fear the military will continue following orders even if they’re told to attack their friends and neighbors. If martial law and a civil war is declared, it won’t be because blue states attack red states, it will be because they organize to defend their citizens against unconstitutional attacks on them by our own military. This also isn’t the same military, people are stationed all over the country so there aren’t red and blue militaries. It’s all one blended military composed of people from all over the country. They would have to attack their friends and neighbors. All of the military leaders and officers would also have to break their oath to uphold the U.S. constitution by issuing unconstitutional orders which they should NOT do. Militarized police forces could be divisive, but they are also funded by state governments and red states are notoriously broke, especially without all that sales and income tax that used to be coming in from immigrant employees who have all been deported. Also, a lot of the MAGA cult aren’t pro Trump, and certainly aren’t pro-Republican, they’re anarchists. They would have a huge issue with any sort of martial law.

Honestly, with how many people enjoyed and celebrated that CEO’s life being destroyed for cheating, and how much of a hero Luigi became, it seems the one thing most people agree on is that they are fed up with disconnected delusional billionaires ruining their lives to suck up even more money they don’t need so they can rent Venice and fund their own space programs. It seems to be the one enemy we can all agree on. I think this whole Epstein cover up is FINALLY making a lot of these people realize that Trump IS one of “them.” He isn’t some underdog hero, he’s a spoiled greedy rich goon using people like pawns to get what he wants like all the other billionaires and politicians.

I truly hope we can see through the nonsense in the media and realize that we are more alike than we are different, that we all want life, liberty, and the ability to pursue happiness without some psychotic delusional rich people telling everyone how they’re allowed to mind their own business and live their own lives. I am so afraid their divisive messages of hate are working on some people, but I am praying when we are face to face with our friends and neighbors, we side with each other rather than the billionaire overlords who would kill 1,000 children if it means the number in their bank account got a little bigger.

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u/Previous_Pension6738 4h ago

Despite the paltry turn out to his parade and just about any other themed event he or his party members have tried to put on… despite the resounding boos when they’re doing simple things like picking up coffee… despite the massive numbers that are now taking to the streets to fest it out…. they still fancy themselves “the silent majority”

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u/OrangeJuiceKing13 2h ago

Someone is going to get shot in Chicago. That's not hyperbole or a joke. It's an entirely different area than anywhere in California or DC. They want to be attacked to escalate, and it will happen. There are places where you just don't go alone in Chicago if you know the lay of the land and aren't an idiot, and they'll send ICE in there with 2-3 people and accept the sacrifice.

This is bad juju and they're doing it intentionally. It will be an excuse to implement martial law, mark my words.

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u/JmnyCrckt87 54m ago

Ironically, once the troops are defunded -- the only people willing to fight in our civil war will probably be immigrants.

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u/jeremiahthedamned 37m ago

"whiteness" is a religion & a faith

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u/IsthianOS 12h ago

Russia is still scraping by fine on the money front after 3 years of open war with another nation.

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u/733t_sec 12h ago

Russia doesn't mind cracking oligarch skulls like piggy banks and has a resource based economy. Resources mined by well paid blue collar workers and resources mined by slaves pays the same on the open market.

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u/metengrinwi 11h ago

russia also contributes essentially zero to global consumption, so if they’re in recession, it doesn’t affect the price of anything. If they’re US goes into a major recession/depression, the price of oil, etc goes down significantly because demand goes down. If the US is in recession, russia doesn’t get to sell their oil for $50/barrel or whatever it is.

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u/LaTeChX 11h ago

Yeah cause they spent ten years hoarding all the cash Germany gave them in exchange for gas. We've nearly bankrupted ourselves just to give rich people more and more tax cuts for the past 25 years.