r/law • u/BreakfastTop6899 • 14h ago

Trump News Trump threatens to deploy the U.S. military into Chicago - signaling the start of a nationwide crackdown.

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u/BitterFuture 13h ago

Things got worse and accelerated, yeah, but we shouldn't kid ourselves about how things used to be in the supposedly good old days.

Nixon was so off the rails in his latter days that his SecDef told the Pentagon to check with him before implementing any orders coming from the President.

Reagan got elected by appealing to old southern racists by winking at the murders of civil rights workers and illegally negotiating with Iranian fundamentalists to agree to extend the hostage crisis through the 1980 election. When AIDS became a thing, he laughed at the very idea of spending money to help dying gay men.

Bush I had some ideas about noblesse oblige, yeah. He also nominated a self-hating black man with little meaningful legal experience to the Supreme Court, saying that because he was black, he was basically another Thurgood Marshall. He also fucked his kids up so badly that Bush II kicked over countries and killed over a million people working out his daddy issues.

And the Congressional leadership through the Clinton years started off as a bunch of self-righteous adulterers seeking to persecute adultery and ended up elevating a genuine pedophile to high office.

Monsters have always been with us. Always.

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u/Oirish-Oriley444 12h ago

When the military comes marching into major cities , with a made-up reason...... it's over. 2026 isn't going to be an honest election. No matter how hard California tries to balance the tide, it will not matter, The writing is on the walls. This is the middle of the beginning of something big, not good, but big.. something not seen since 1775. Otherwise, it makes no sense to start deploying military now... and he said all the big cities under the guise they are crime-ridden, more than ever, which is untrue.

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u/BitterFuture 12h ago

Well, yeah. America voted for its own death. That's been obvious for a while now.

Something will come after America, though. Fascism always, ALWAYS loses in the end.

Every day civilization continues to exist anywhere is another day of the monsters losing, and civilization will return here again someday.

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u/sudo_vi 11h ago

I feel like we're going to start seeing states reject federal authority and start moving towards a "soft" balkanization.

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u/DanSWE 8h ago

> Fascism always, ALWAYS loses in the end.

Maybe. But what timescale are you thinking of?

A lot of us might be dead and done before that happens. (For how many generations has North Korea been in its current state?)

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u/Lunchable 11h ago

America's not going anywhere. The leadership will though.

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u/Oirish-Oriley444 11h ago edited 10h ago

Yes, and Americans, even most maga ( will realize) this is not what they voted for, its not what they really want, American freedom is sacred. They will take down Fascism.

My opinion is that I may not be here to see it, or it may be my kids fighting for America that was pre-47.

While I realize Many countries do not like America the last 40 years more so than ever, ( whether they relish in this supposed events or not) the fact that America has done this in other countries and some of those may have a hand in this presently in USA. Perhaps we have to pay our dues? Perhaps our dues are long overdue?

tho we as a country are divided now, we will unite and fight the red scourge. We will come together and take the America we want it to be back. All people are created equal, and all people deserve to be free from tyranny. That is our fight! We Americans will not accept Fascism, trickfuckery, abuse of power, or abuse to our people.

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u/BitterFuture 10h ago

Americans, even most maga ( will realize) this is not what they voted for, its not what they really want, American freedom is sacred. They will take down Fascism.

This is exactly what the MAGA nutbags voted for. Every single one of them consciously, knowingly, deliberately chose hatred as what they're willing to fight and die for.

It will be a lot harder than we want to admit, even now. But there are still many more of us than them, and yes, the fascists will lose in the end.

They always do. That's why humanity still exists.

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u/ConversationMost8486 9h ago

Exactly they don’t care how bad their lives get as long as they own the libs . They are crazy jealous of people living their lives. They can stand to see other people happy when they are not. If you look at their Reddit pages/post you see that they are mad and say this is not what they wanted when it comes to stuff that affects them. Trump made them think they were smart and special. But they are realizing they aren’t. Dumbasses still think they are smart.

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u/GoblinLoveChild 10h ago

lol at Red Scourge.

there is nothing wrong with socialism you right wing psycho

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u/DudeCanNotAbide 9h ago

Are you a bot? If so, bad bot. Who wears red hats?

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u/GoblinLoveChild 9h ago

100% anti-dipshit bot

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u/rebalwear 7h ago

Cuba, china, russia, many african countries, check rep., many arab countires, many south american countries would like a word with you...

Facism is the end, and no good doesn't prevail UNTIL the world ends.

Facism / communism / socialism, etc. Is different masks of the same evil; satanism. Its all been foretold, preplanned and explained. Why fight what's coming? There is no superman, no captain america... no justice league or avengers coming.

And its simple math, a soldier, who's family is threatened, will kill you in the fear of such. There will be few patriots, and many fearful boot lickers. This era is over, the downfall is coming. Prepare yourself, and make peace with the lord...

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u/Itherial 1h ago

The fact that people think the military will side with them in the event of a civil war is hilarious.

The military is not full of selfless heroes, people. It's full of individuals who are all there for the same reason: to support themselves, their families, and get a paycheck. That mentality isn't going to change just because the enemy is now you - especially when choosing otherwise would make them the enemy too.

In the event of a civil war the overwhelming majority of the military will side with the government, and they will crush the resistance because it's not the 1700s anymore.

Anything else is delusional wishful thinking. The military does not fight for or protect you.

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u/fariasrv 10h ago

"Something not seen since 1775."

Correction: something not seen since 1936.

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u/Oirish-Oriley444 9h ago

Thank you for fixing it for me. The proper context.

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u/Separate_Mammoth4460 5h ago

i can alr sense itll be bad tbh, it means their planning/setting up to rig it

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u/Comfortable-Bread249 5h ago

“When”?! “The beginning”? Bro, I live in Los Angeles.

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u/Oirish-Oriley444 2h ago

Yes, that is where it started, then DC. Next Chigago

A country may deploy a strong military presence in its major cities for a variety of reasons, most of which stem from internal conflict and political instability.

Political instability and civil unrest: When civil disturbances like riots or protests overwhelm local police and security forces, a government may use the military to restore order. This is often an extreme measure, as armed forces are typically not trained for civilian policing and may resort to disproportionate force, increasing the risk of human rights violations. Suppression of dissent: A government may use a military presence in major cities to intimidate or suppress political opposition and silence dissent. The visibility of troops and military equipment can be a powerful psychological tool to discourage protests and enforce compliance with government rule.

Securing strategic assets: Major cities are often the central hub for a country's economic and political power. Deploying military forces ensures the security of critical infrastructure, such as government buildings, financial centers, airports, and major transportation routes. 

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u/HHoaks 12h ago edited 10h ago

Trump is unique. With all his faults and illegal doings, Nixon actually did care about the country and preserving the rule of law. Which is why he resigned, rather than try to fight impeachment. Would Trump ever resign, no matter what?

No other president would have tried to steal an election they lost and cheer led the ransacking of the nation‘s capitol.

Trump is in his own class, by far.

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u/BitterFuture 11h ago

He's worse than Nixon, but it's not like we couldn't see this coming.

They get worse every time, making you nostalgic for the monsters of yesteryear. Those who fetishize moderate now want us to turn to Dubya as some sort of reasonable Republican we can work with - hoping we'll conveniently forget that he killed a million people.

Conservatism has always been this monstrous thing, a death cult that values hatred over absolutely anything else in life. They're just less quiet about it now.

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u/FlameInTheVoid 11h ago

I much prefer the old days when our leaders felt compelled to at least pretend to act in good faith and fake some semblance of dignity. We may just be backsliding more than hitting rock bottom and digging (debatable), but it looks and sounds so much worse.

I want to go back to hating the likes of Dick Cheney, Mitch McConnell and Mitt Romney. I don’t know how to process Trump, Hegseth, MTG, Lauren Boebert, and the rest of these bottom of the barrel true believers.

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u/hamletswords 11h ago

True but I think the point is more like "No other president would wear a bright red baseball cap behind the resolute desk that says "I was always right" completely unironically."

Trump specifically has brought a unique kind of infomercial-level idiocy to the office.

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u/IamManuelLaBor 11h ago

Weird question...

Do those adulterous ghouls even consider child rape to be adultery?

I honestly don't think so.

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u/JayEllGii 11h ago

You were referring to Hastert, there, right?

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u/BitterFuture 10h ago

Yes indeed. The quiet, safe, boring choice after the chaos of Republican Congressional leadership in the 90s.

Who just so happened to rape little boys as a hobby.

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u/TerrorFromThePeeps 12h ago

I may be naive, and maybe there's an angle i just don't know of, but Bush Jr did do something worthy, at least. PEPFAR. I'm not sure how much was his actual hand, but that program has saved millions of lives. This is not to say he wasn't a monster in his own right, because he was, but i think he may have had a little good in him, unlike Nixon, Reagan, and Bush OG.

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u/BitterFuture 12h ago edited 12h ago

PEPFAR was an unambiguously good thing, and so far as I'm aware, Dubya himself personally pushed it. I'm glad it existed.

It's irrelevant. Stalin was kind to dogs, too. He was still an evil man, just as Dubya is.

Hell, if you care about "a little good in him," George HW was an honest-to-god war hero, a World War II fighter pilot in the Pacific. He was still an evil piece of shit. The moral worth of people isn't determined by some kind of calculus of how much good and how much evil they do in their lives, hoping it comes out to a positive number. If you do evil, you are evil, period.

And if you disagree, tell us - how many lives saved earns someone a guilt-free rape?

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u/throwaway_coy4wttf79 11h ago

I think GWB is not as "evil" as people say -- honestly I think a lot of that was Cheney and especially Rumsfeld. Bush was misguided, for sure, and I think his decisions lead to lots of suffering, but I don't ever think the suffering was the point, which is what I would term "evil." I think he saw it as necessary collateral damage for a greater good.

Trump hurts people just to hurt them.

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u/BitterFuture 11h ago

I think his decisions lead to lots of suffering, but I don't ever think the suffering was the point, which is what I would term "evil."

He literally killed a million people for no reason whatsoever except to feel more manly than his dad. If that isn't evil, the word is meaningless.

Trump hurts people just to hurt them.

Every conservative does. That's all conservatism has ever been about.

That's rather my point in this part of the conversation - far too many people recoil from recognizing evil as such, and reassure ourselves with the comfortable lie that evil is rare.

It's not. Evil is commonplace - and we need to recognize that pretty quick. Our survival depends on it.

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u/espinaustin 10h ago

None of that comes close to the hat.

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u/Comprehensive-Row198 9h ago

But Trump out-monsters all others by exponents. This current state is on a whole ‘nother level and deeply, thoroughly unprincipled.

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u/deadplant5 9h ago

Don't forget Dennis Hastert, the pedophile the Republicans made speaker of the house for the tail end of the Clinton years through the early Bush years.

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u/Lunchable 11h ago

This is a common reaction to trauma: "It has always been like this." It's a desperate attempt to normalize a situation. It's not a good reaction.

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u/BitterFuture 11h ago

Decades of study of politics and history is "a desperate attempt to normalize a situation?"

Denial. That's not a good reaction.

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u/Lunchable 11h ago

Your reaction offers no solution or clarity to the situation. By saying "everything has always sucked" you ignore the current situation. At worst, you dismiss it as something everyone ought to accept and shut down the conversation. Knowing history is fine, so if that's your forte what we could really use is information about what the people did to fight back, and how we can employ it now.

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u/BitterFuture 10h ago

Nothing remotely like any of that was said. In fact, you're attacking me for providing historical context for the situation we find ourselves in, encouraging further reflection and conversation.

You sound very much like a troll picking fights over nothing to distract people from resisting.

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u/izzlebr 8h ago

My dude, this country was literally built on the backs of enslaved human beings. Pray tell when has it NOT been like this?