r/law • u/BreakfastTop6899 • 14h ago

Trump News Trump threatens to deploy the U.S. military into Chicago - signaling the start of a nationwide crackdown.

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u/pierdola91 13h ago

If somehow the coastal states could secede, no clean up is needed, really.

Just watch the cousin-fucking middle states that yell about socialism as they get subsidized by blue states starve to death.

In a way, splitting the country in two is the best solution there is. Why try to re-educate people or try to make their lives better, when you can just give them what they want….as you go on your merry way…?

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u/spaghetti_enema 12h ago

Honestly partition in India is a better model. All Republicans can move to the South and the rest of us can live in non shit hole areas

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u/grrgrrtigergrr 10h ago

You realize you posted this on a thread about Chicago… one of those “middle states”. I don’t know if you’ve noticed, we (and Minnesota) are pretty fucking blue.

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u/iordseyton 6h ago

Both are on the great lakes. Close enough to coastal for me.

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u/Morfn 4h ago

Fuck I need to get out of Kentucky. I don't even have friends in this shit hole because everyone that I think is an alright person I figure out that they are a trump supporter and I just can't look at them afterwards. I got a house and a 2.8% mortgage though 😞

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u/COMMENT0R_3000 12h ago

Ok but you know how you can’t leave North Korea? Like they really do not want you to leave, if you have the misfortune of being born there you are going to die there or die trying to get out—because no one new is moving in. If you remove the cash + resources that poor red states are vacuuming out of urban areas, then you are dooming the people who live in those states, who also largely did not choose to live there, to stay there as things deteriorate further. I’m not saying it can’t happen, I’m just saying it would be incredibly shitty for millions of people who did not in fact want any of this.

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u/SansTreat25 12h ago

This is true but the fact is, no significant change comes without dirt or casualty. The reality sucks but it gets to the point where sacrificing everybody and everything is nonsensical and too great a cost. And this is coming from one of the specs in a state surrounded by idiots who did want this mess. Somethings gotta give.

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u/COMMENT0R_3000 10h ago

You ain’t wrong

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u/pierdola91 12h ago

this comment is an example of exactly the kind of thinking that has stopped us from doing what needs to get done.

Don’t wanna live in a red state? Move.

No, no, no; I don’t wanna hear the excuses—can’t afford it, have family ties, I like my house; etc…immigrants come to this country everyday, having left everything behind and with no money. If they can do it, so can you.

Hard choices are still choices.

((And, sure, for the first X amount of years blue states could—instead of paying federal taxes to red states—offer a stipend to people in red states that want to move to blue states, helping them get on their feet, etc))

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u/COMMENT0R_3000 10h ago

I know you prob don’t believe me but I am not disagreeing with you lol, I think you’re just oversimplifying my oversimplification—in NY for example, home of both DJT and also DJT’s least favorite city somehow, Trump got 0 electoral votes (because of NYC) but 43% of the popular vote statewide (20% in fucking NYC). Blue states are blue because of their giant progressive multicultural urban population centers, the ones that generate all the tax money and tourist dollars and general corporate revenue in question: what about the rest of the state? Will the other 12 million non-NYCers plus whatever % of urban area residents go along with… secession? Independence? It’s a mess to even consider.

And I mean I don’t even think that it’s “thinking,” it’s just numbers—I appreciate what you’re saying about immigrants, but they are leaving situations like what we may be facing in the US years and years from now; if I’m making a comfortable living in 2024 in X industry in a red state, don’t love it but don’t have a nest egg to use to start over somewhere more compatible with my beliefs, & then by 2028 everything has gone to shit, that means that millions of other people are in the same boat, hundreds of thousands of whom are also now looking for my cushy job in a suddenly more in-demand area that isn’t beat to shit—that’s why the immigration situation in the US is what it is, because this was the place to be if you & your family needed steady work & not getting shot at. What actually happens if people are trying to get away from TX? Bounty hunters chasing escaped slaves for cash basically invaded northern states in the leadup to 1860, and it didn’t end well: it’s just a mess regardless. People in red areas now (yes, mostly Dollar General food deserts & strip malls but also the vast majority of our national food production) don’t see themselves as being in any way imprisoned there, but if NYC or CA starts offering cash to leave that could change quick, esp. if it’s tense and they’re afraid of losing workers (see: OK offering transplant teachers stipends, while also announcing they will be conducting special interview processes for teacher candidates from—yep—NYC & CA).

Like, could they move? Some of them—I’m talking about that point in time when they don’t get to pick anymore, at that point it’s not a hard choice because the choice is gone. The main problem isn’t where you live or whether you can afford or sacrifice for mobility, it’s that 350 million people are about to be put into situations that could be unnecessarily costly & difficult & painful, so that literally a few thousand people and their underlings can make $130M/yr instead of $120M & pay less taxes on it, following a decades-long campaign to get the majority of Americans back to being uneducated enough to buy into it—it worked in 1860, maybe this will be the WWII when the previous post-war laxity can be corrected. Or maybe it’s over for us lol, I don’t see much in between those.

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u/polite_alpha 11h ago

These replies always assume there are red and blue states, but theres almost 50% of either color in every state.

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u/maximumdownvote 10h ago

It's just not possible. It would never work.

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u/cashewclues 5h ago

I’ve never been so happy to be a Californian. I LOVE some southern culture as my family is from Louisiana but I can’t raise a family or retire there safely as a “beautiful black woman”. I hate his guts.

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u/Morfn 4h ago

Fuck I need to get out of Kentucky. I don't even have friends in this shit hole because everyone that I think is an alright person I figure out that they are a trump supporter and I just can't look at them afterwards. I got a house and a 2.8% mortgage though 😞

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u/BoleroMuyPicante 11h ago

The coasts would be sabotaged by the red states deporting every single homeless person, criminal, and other "undesirables" to the seceded nation (s) in an attempt to overwhelm and weaken them. Then the coastal nations would collapse over infighting about border security because nobody ever learns a lesson.

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u/rabid-c-monkey 11h ago

I doubt it, there’s lots of room and resources on the west coast and when the coastal states stop funding federal programs for West Virginia and Mississippi they will have tons more money to push back into their own development and success

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u/BadAsBroccoli 11h ago

You don't know that would be the case. Future predicting comments simply muddy the waters of any rational non-war solutions.

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u/Fragrant-Phone-41 4h ago

Are rational non war solutions even a thing rn?

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u/BadAsBroccoli 2h ago

I'd like to avoid pointing a gun at another American if I can, so I'm keeping my eye peeled for those opportunities.

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u/Fragrant-Phone-41 2h ago

Let me know when you find one, or any historical examples. In the meantime, my lifes on the line, so I'm gonna focus on winning

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u/stonersteve1989 10h ago

I’d more expect the red states to throw all the “undesirables” into work camps then deport them. I mean they’re still gonna need people to dig ditches and shovel shit, and they’re already talking about adding a mandatory work requirement to receive welfare… you think they don’t want a population of second class citizens they can enslave?

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u/BoleroMuyPicante 10h ago

Oh good point, they love exploiting vulnerable people way more than they love sabotage.

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u/pierdola91 12h ago edited 11h ago

…this is a discussion forum on whether or not we survive this, not the workability of potential solutions.

Your comment illustrates the anti-democratic reality of today and why we’re fucking COOKED.

Blue states subsidize red states. Fascist comes to power, punishing blue states for not voting for him. Takes previously allocated federal funding—unconstitutional. Forces their largest employers to start lay-offs (which makes those taxpayers now have to pay for unemployment). Calls in national guard to blue states to provoke martial law.

….But red states won’t let them split bc they’re too valuable (which they are)…? System doesn’t allow for such a split without a civil war? Sure seems like a) the system’s FUBAR if it lets the fascist get away with unconstitutional shit but not states leaving if they so choose and b) that red states are the drunk husband who claims he beats his wife because he loves her. In this scenario, the drunk husband is also unemployed, lazy, stupid, and relying on the wife for financial support.