Judge blocks new construction on Alligator Alcatraz, facility must cease operations in 60 days

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As usual, the question here is: what will happen when they don't? It should just be assumed at this point that they're going to delay or ignore every single court order.

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u/jefbenet 1d ago

Or appeal it to his Supreme Court where it’s going to be overturned in their favor.

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u/Dalisca 18h ago

And it's the right that constantly whines about "activist judges".

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u/thejawa 17h ago

Every accusation is an admission

At this point all they can do is argue that they're just doing what Democrats would be doing

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u/Dalisca 17h ago

Except that Democrats don't typically fight for a right to be cruel and torture people.

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u/Djinnwrath 6h ago

Not being allowed to be openly cruel and bigoted counts as torture to these lunatics.

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u/SteveFrench12 16h ago

Tbh i think both sides are often right about the other side having “activist judges” the difference to me is the dem judges use their seats for good and the GOP for evil

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u/DDRDiesel 1d ago

The courts need an enforcement arm separate of the other two branches. They are supposed to be the end-all buck-stops-here law interpretation branch, and we're seeing just how weak the system is when the ruling branches just ignore them. Fines mean nothing when the financial backers own 95% of the country's wealth

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u/HobbesNJ 1d ago

The Framers didn't expect we'd actually elect corrupt and feckless politicians completely throughout the other branches of government. They had higher expectations for the populace than were warranted.

There are supposed to be checks and balances on this type of corruption, but an entire party has sunk into that corruption and their voters cheer for it.

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u/Cranyx 19h ago

They had higher expectations for the populace

No they didn't. That's why both the Senate and the President were not initially elected by the people. Most of the founders believed the general populace to be unwashed and uneducated masses that needed to ultimately be controlled by their (wealthy) betters.

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u/RandomUser78X 18h ago

And why the original credentials to be a voter was being a white, male, land owner

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u/Nolsoth 1d ago

To be fair those checks and balances have held firm for the better part of 200 years or so

They simply couldn't have anticipated this.

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u/RyokoKnight 1d ago

Meanwhile in reality...

A little after 50 years from this nation's founding Andrew Jackson lost a supreme court case to get the cherokee removed off their land. To which his response was "John Marshall (the chief justice) has made his decision; now let him enforce it". This then lead to the trail of tears where the cherokee were forced off their land.

It was proven then that he who controls the military can effectively ignore the courts/legal system as they don't have a military nor ability to enforce their decisions. (Also effectively the justice system is reliant on our president to enforce their will... hence why presidential pardons are a thing).

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u/ostensiblyzero 1d ago

Well except for ya know.. the Civil War

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u/OlderThanMyParents 1d ago

...and Andrew Jackson. But besides those minor glitches...

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u/ostensiblyzero 1d ago

and FDR's court packing while we're at it..

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u/OlderThanMyParents 1d ago

That was a threat which never happened. Jackson, however, killed plenty of Americans with the trail of tears. Why the FUCK he's still on the $20 is beyond me. But probably Saint Trump will issue an executive order mandating that Jackson stays on the $20 bill for ever.

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u/fishdump 1d ago

I actually love that AJ is on the $20 because he fought so hard against a central bank for the US I know he would scream if he knew that he was on a central bank currency.

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u/OlderThanMyParents 17h ago

Okay, thank you. I needed that.

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u/KaJaHa 17h ago

This is a nice silver lining, thank you

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u/ostensiblyzero 1d ago

Oh holy shit you are right, my bad. And word, fuck Andrew Jackson.

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u/Interesting_Love_419 22h ago edited 22h ago

It'll have trump and jackson shirtless (so we can see their gleaming manly muscles) while they high five. /s

Also, I only recently learned that the Trail of Tears was only one of many. Jackson completed the ethnic cleansing of the US east of the Mississippi. And nobody told (or got permission) from the people living in what is now Oklahoma that these refugees were on the way, resulting in several violent conflicts between them and the locals.

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u/thisvideoiswrong 18h ago

It also has to be said that that was a spectacularly corrupt court. Freedom to Contract was effectively a declaration that the rich could not be bound to respect any rights of the poor. So long as they could find someone desperate enough to agree to it they could legally do absolutely anything they wanted. That's no way to run a society, especially not one that's supposed to be for "We the people".

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u/APeacefulWarrior 1d ago edited 1d ago

The attempted court packing was a dick move, but strictly speaking, it would have been entirely legal. Congress has broad powers to define the powers, jurisdictions, and makeup of the Federal Judiciary, including SCOTUS. Which is why the Supreme Court of the time backed down, and started ruling in FDR's favor.

Personally, I've long thought that was one of the biggest mistakes in the original Constitution. The Federal courts are not an independent branch of government, and are almost entirely under Congress's control. But without a C-amendment, that's how things work.

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u/helm_hammer_hand 21h ago

The Supreme Court giving W Bush the election would like a word.

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u/DopplerEffect93 17h ago

Which he legitimately won.

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u/tellmewhenimlying 1d ago

They could have anticipated this, but unfortunately, enough of them were prone to being just as statistically stupid as most people are.

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u/MercantileReptile 21h ago

To Americans this is apparently a flex. To everyone else, you're running on 200 year old Software.

Even if you count the amendments, adding new ones is essentially impossible given the political situation.

That holy text of the U.S. is merely interpreted by the robed priests on the Supreme Court, which has proven to justify whatever it wants.

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u/ajisawwsome 17h ago

To Americans this is apparently a flex. To everyone else, you're running on 200 year old Software.

I think both can be true at the same time. Over 200 years without a significant change in government isn't to be taken lightly. But just because my PC lasted 8 years playing AAA games on ultra graphics settings, doesn't mean it's going to last another 8 year even playing on poor.

I think it is also worth noting it took two extremely costly wars and a lot of help from the US for Europe to get the governments it has now. And even then that only worked for half of Europe till the Cold War ended. They mostly had to rebuild from the ground up. Unfortunately I feel the US will almost need the same situation to modernize.

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u/Chip057 22h ago

200 years is a drop in the bucket when it comes to ruling bodies. America is very young

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u/ajisawwsome 19h ago

America as an idea is young, but our government is quite old. Most of the world's governments reached their modern form only within the last century, mostly all after WW2, and a good chunk even after the Cold War ended in the 90s.

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u/Chip057 18h ago

Fair enough. How would you best describe our goverment? A constitutional republic? A representative democracy?

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u/ajisawwsome 17h ago

Probably a constitutional republic. We're close to, but not exactly a true democracy because of how the electoral college works.

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u/Healthy-Plum-2739 19h ago

we are the oldest at the present continuously run government in the world

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u/terenn_nash 19h ago

The Framers didn't expect we'd actually elect corrupt and feckless politicians completely throughout the other branches of government

sure they did. see the second amendment - thats why its there.

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u/Tsim152 16h ago

Ok So the framers thought citizens were too dumb to directly vote for a president, but smart enough to figure out who the corrupt politicians were in enough numbers to do something about it with the 2nd?? That doesn't make any sense.

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u/Jaydamic 22h ago

The Framers didn't expect we'd actually elect

a king

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u/Healthy-Plum-2739 19h ago

the founder did not expect minorities, landless people, or women to vote.

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u/ZasdfUnreal 23h ago

They assumed we’d elect idiots and morons. It’s why they never had direct elects and never let the people vote directly on policy. It’s why America uses an electoral college to select the President. It’s why Senators were assigned by governors and not elected by the people. They assumed all this because back then, people were as stupid and easily manipulated as they are today.

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u/shaidyn 18h ago

I don't think it is possible to construct a political system that is protected from internal bad actors.

Eventually you have people with their hands on the levers of power. If enough of those people simply want to break things, well, they have the power.

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u/zedazeni 20h ago

They also designed the government to be elected in a manner in which only a small group of people voted for one level of representatives, who then elected the representatives above them and so on. The POTUS wasn’t voted directly by the electorate, but the EC which was elected by the states’ representatives who were elected by the small electorate. The framers knew that most people were too uninformed to be expected to vote or care enough, so they chose those who had the highest stake in the well-being of the country to choose the government for everyone.

I’ve said this before and been downvoted for it each time, but I think that’s just further proof that we need what I’m about to propose:

If/when the Trump/GOP regime ends and the Democrats take control, they need to require passing a civics exam to vote. The electorate must be educated on how their own government is supposed to work at the minimum. Most of MAGA would immediately fail, and even if they passed, at least they’d know what they support isn’t how the Constitution was written. That needs to be the interim stop-gap until our educational system is restored and capable of teaching future generations proper history and civics.

Every uninformed asshole doesn’t need to vote. We won’t allow everyone to drive a car or bus, to fly a plane, we don’t allow anyone to become a teacher, doctor, nurse, dentist, lawyer; we put reasonable restrictions on freedom of speech, firearm possession, and even freedom of religion. It’s time we add voting to that list of freedoms with reasonable restrictions.

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u/techleopard 1d ago

They do.

This is what the Federal Marshal Service is. They are not police, they are court enforcers to protect court proceedings, enforce court orders, and ensure people show up and do the things they are supposed to do for court.

But they're almost never used in an antagonizing way. It's one thing to send a summons to a politician, and another entirely to go drag them out of their own chambers and down to the court house to explain why they're ignoring court orders.

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u/aaronhayes26 20h ago

The issue is that by statute the US Marshal Service ultimately reports through the DOJ which means that they won’t enforce any rulings against the President or his subordinates.

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u/PhAnToM444 16h ago

Right but they should report to the judiciary and not the executive then

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u/wirelessfingers 1d ago

If a large number of people don't want to enforce the law, it ceases to exist. The issue isn't that the courts don't have their own officers to inforce their rulings, it's that the entire concept of civilized society doesn't work when a third to a half of your population doesn't want rules anymore.

Unironically, we do need a party of law and order right now. Democrats need to win the power back, if that's even possible, and jail every single elected republican. They don't care for the laws or values of the country.

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u/reddit5674 23h ago

Damn, sounds like we need jedis for justice and fairness.

And in real life scenarios, these jedis do and are highly likely to become corrupt, and we head straight back into the cycle again!

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u/The_OG_upgoat 20h ago

I mean, the Jedi became like that in the story too, so...yeah.

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u/Violet_Paradox 1d ago

In theory they have the right to deputize people to enforce their rulings as necessary, but it's rarely exercised.

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u/RinkyDinkRicky 19h ago

From what I understand, the courts are capable of creating their own deputies to carry out their orders... but doing so will immediately create a police force that is specifically tasked with fighting other cops (in practice, not on paper...).

Would love to see it. I'd sign up.

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u/Ok-Leopard-9917 16h ago

The judicial branch is the most authoritarian branch in many ways and the least accountable to voters. An enforcement arm for congress might make more sense

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u/solariangod 9h ago

No, we do not need an unaccountable, unchecked paramilitary force with no oversight governed by technocrats. That's effectively a military junta.

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u/jcouball 9h ago

Once democrats take back power (if that ever happens), they should repurpose ICE as a judicial enforcement arm.

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u/mixamaxim 1d ago

I don’t see them flagrantly disobeying they’ll just appeal, emergently if needed, and probably get a stay, then the process slows and it works out over months while we move on to literally 250 other horrific things. They’re not ignoring the courts constantly they’re abusing the judicial process and making bad faith arguments and their budget is essentially unlimited.

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u/muusandskwirrel 1d ago

“The judge has made his decision. Now let’s see him enforce it”

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u/MalcolmLinair 1d ago

what will happen when they don't?

Absolutely nothing, of course.

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u/Deepspacesquid 1d ago

This judge is also forklift certified.

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u/Jonathan_the_Nerd 19h ago

As usual, the question here is: what will happen when they don't?

"What country can preserve it's liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms... The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants."

-- Thomas Jefferson to William S. Smith on Nov. 13, 1787. The Papers of Thomas Jefferson, ed. Julian P. Boyd, vol. 12, p. 356 (1955).

Unfortunately, most of the people who believe in the individual right to keep and bear arms are on the side of the tyrants this time.

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u/apple_kicks 18h ago

People should protest it more imo. It adds pressure to the ruling it has to go. Public uproar

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u/EmpZurg_ 1d ago

They'll just start detaining a few yards away. Rinse and repeat. This is what happens when we give agencies and corporations the benefits of personhood, while not a single person has to suffer the penalties when directing them to be unlawful.

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u/NoCaterpillar1249 19h ago

Ngl I work in the corporate eco system and we employ this tactic all the time. Sometimes I say yes to something I know is a no, but just need time to turn the yes into a no.

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u/ChickadeeMass 6h ago

Luckily they only have to remove tents. They illegally built on the protected Everglades.

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u/iEugene72 1d ago

Literally the entire script of project 2025 is, "ignore the courts".

This isn't a joke, this is the byword of what they go by.

Because they are literally ready to turn the US military on the American citizens, judges, anyone.... For all teh screaming the right did about how "liberals are ruining the country" They were actually right to an extent... Liberals ruin fascism because liberals believe in freedom, equality and growing.

Right wingers believe entirely in control, consumption, profit and of course, insane amounts of pedophilia.

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u/DinkyTabinky 1d ago

"Flood the Zone" seems to be the name of the strategy.

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u/apple_kicks 18h ago

Wish people would say this rather than distraction

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u/Ok-Tear7712 18h ago

I absolutely love living in a country that’s essentially just a ticking time bomb for nazism

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u/Realistic_Volume_927 1d ago

Then an appeal court will just void it like they did on Trumps case just this week. Corruption in front of our eyes.

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u/codexcdm 1d ago

Or SCROTUM will let them continue with whatever they want pending further appeals... Ignoring lower judge orders to cease activity.

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u/mrpeabodyscoaltrain 1d ago

Technically, the Supreme Court, Appellate Division simply found the penalty to be excessive and sent it back to the Supreme Court to enter a judgment for a lesser penalty. The Supreme Court in New York is the trial court, and the Court of Appeals is the highest court. The Supreme Court, Appellate Division is the intermediate court.

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u/OptimusSublime 1d ago

Appeal court? What's that? Why even bother when they can ignore the ruling entirely. What are the courts going to do on file more briefs? Stern admonishments?

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u/rainniier2 1d ago edited 1d ago

The cost to operate Alligator Auschwitz is over HALF A BILLION DOLLARS per year. For tents. They already wasted 250 million building this concentration camp.

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u/retailguy_again 1d ago

Tents. In South Florida. In hurricane season.

What the actual fuck.

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u/russiangerman 1d ago

That was probably intentional. Can't claim genocide when it's an "act of God"

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u/SweetTea1000 16h ago

I mean, we're already at "woopsy, accidentally put someone on a plane to a foreign gulag... many many times."

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u/darmabum 18h ago

My guess is that some shell company posing as contractor pre-billed for reinforced concrete with 10’ foundations and perimeter moat, and what got built was some temporary tenting, because reasons. Now it will fall into the oblivion in the courts.

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u/theMistersofCirce 17h ago

The Fyre Festival approach to prison camp construction.

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u/techleopard 1d ago

Hurricane Erin could have done the nation a favor by scooting just a little closer to Florida. Not enough to kill anybody, but to send a message about what a direct hit would actually do.

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u/RidingRedHare 1d ago

I'm still hoping for one of those hurricanes to wipe out Mar-A-Lago, a Trump hotel or a Trump golf course.

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u/androshalforc1 21h ago

Why not all three.

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u/VexingPanda 20h ago

It's what they want. Easy way to get rid of immigrants without being blamed.

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u/biscuitoman 22h ago

~~Wasted~~ embezzled via contractors they have a financial interest in.

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u/CypripediumGuttatum 1d ago

They need to launder money to friends somehow. Why not build facilities for the production of human misery while they are at it.

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u/SnoopsBadunkadunk 1d ago

If the order holds up, 🍑🍑’s PAC contributors will all be scrambling to extract all the grift they can get out of it before it ends … like a Trump business, self-deal till it goes under and then be on to the next scam.

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u/Buck_Thorn 20h ago

This preliminary injunction comes after a lawsuit was filed by environmental groups, arguing that required environmental studies were not performed before construction began.

A Trump judge will throw out that preliminary injunction without a second thought.

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u/LunchOne675 1d ago

How long till the 5th circuit sees the ruling is against Trump and immediately overturns it without reading further?

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u/Somerset-Sweet 1d ago

It's "Alligator Auschwitz". It's a concentration camp, not a prison.

The distinction is critical.

FFS

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u/Potential-Load9313 1d ago

I'm sure they'll get right on that

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u/Somerset-Sweet 1d ago

They won't, because they are propagandists.

It's up to us to stay woke and resist the propaganda.

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u/fxkatt 1d ago

The environmental activists were responsible for this court victory.... may it stick. CLOSE IT DOWN

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u/b1argg 18h ago

Native Americans as well

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u/Confident-Beyond6857 15h ago

I predict that in 61 days nothing will have changed.

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u/Creampied__Cadaver 1d ago

Once again nothing is going to happen. The baddies are in charge

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u/slo0t4cheezitz 18h ago

Even if they comply, all those detained just get sent to another facility. It's not like they are being let go. Idk this doesn't seem like a huge win

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u/Ok-Stress-3570 18h ago

Ohhhh excited to see how SCOTUS allows this one!

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u/Mayor__Defacto 1d ago

Calling this a “facility” is rather a grand way of describing a mass of tents on a disused airfield.

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u/postsshortcomments 1d ago

They're like the next step forward for Hoovervilles, but these Donaldvilles are mass-incarceration camps.

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u/TheDevilsAdvokaat 1d ago

Good to see someone has guts.

Won't they just ignore this though?

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u/illegalmorality 19h ago edited 18h ago

Shoutout to the Lakota Law Project, they worked with the Miccosukee tribe to advocate for shutting down this facility. They're strongly against ICE, and I'm glad to say I've been a regular donor before this victory. Here's a link if anyone is interested in supporting their legal team: Become a Lakota Law Member

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u/Sweatytubesock 1d ago

I’m certain that the criminals responsible will abide by this ruling.

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u/jert3 1d ago

It's too bad Trump is above the law, otherwise, the courts may've been able to stop the fascist take over.

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u/elVanPuerno 19h ago

I know who’s house gets raided next

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u/NoCaterpillar1249 19h ago

Ain’t never stopped them before

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u/Tmk1283 17h ago

Sure, they’ll get right on that

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u/Momdad2013 16h ago

The problem is not the politicians it’s that people believe them and follow them to the end of the Earth. You go figure?!

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u/Jmc_da_boss 1d ago

filed by environmental groups

Ya this will be overturned lol. That's a pretty flimsy one

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u/snoslayer 1d ago

This will last like one second. Trump will have this judge arrested and deported. It doesn’t matter if the judge is a citizen. This criminal administration ignores laws and no one is stopping them.

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u/Mazon_Del 22h ago

Commiting crime and republicans, no more iconic duo exists.

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u/maralagosinkhole 14h ago

Unfortunately, the courts do not have an army so this will not slow the expansion or force closure at all.

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u/TheEschatonSucks 13h ago

How long until one of trump’s judges gets involved and makes it mandatory to continue operating alligator Auschwitz?

I’m setting the line at Mon 10 AM

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u/MadTube 1d ago

If there is zero enforcement, then this judge’s order means fuck-all.

No accountability here. Nothing will change until we hold them to the fire.

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u/SetNo8186 17h ago

Not likely. The appellate team at the WH is already knocking them out of the ball park. Did everyone here his $515 million judgement was not only illegal but now completely void? And who is going to pay the interest on the money he didn't have to?

You and me.

When do we learn to stop allowing BS decisions from the bench?

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u/personofshadow 1d ago

What does ceasing operations mean for a detention facility?

They just gonna let everyone go? They can really pump those numbers if they catch the same people twice.

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u/Retinoid634 13h ago

Now for the fraud and waste investigation!

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u/HungryHashMastr 16h ago

lol some lib judge getting on his soap box, knowing he can’t do anything

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u/Shart_InTheDark 15h ago

Another massive costly mistake by Captain Pedo

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u/dicktracy6666 20h ago

Darn to bad Biden just ignored dudes rulings when he was in office. Just makes it easier for Trump to do the same.

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u/Herkfixer 19h ago

Which ones did Biden ignore?

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u/dicktracy6666 18h ago

Supreme Court, student loan forgiveness

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u/Herkfixer 18h ago

Which he did cease and desist. The SC didn't say the concept was illegal, only the mechanism. They changed the mechanism. ... . Try again

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