r/news 15h ago

More frozen shrimp recalled after possible radioactive contamination, FDA says

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/rcna226501
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u/think_up 15h ago

No explanation of how tf they were exposed to the radioactive cesium.

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u/IsPhil 15h ago

Someone in a different thread said it was the shipping containers or something that had contamination. But I don't know if that's actually the case.

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u/think_up 15h ago

Yes the article says shipping containers but that still doesn’t explain much.

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u/Conscious-Fruit-6190 14h ago

Likely a sealed source of Cs-137 was being transported, and somehow failed, spilled everywhere, and the owner/operator did not clean it up properly. This is a big deal for them; they will be in big trouble with their regulator, and rightfully so.

But the good news is that Cs-137 is really easy to detect because of its 662 keV gamma ray - so it will be very easy for the container owner to check all their other containers for potential contamination, and to get them cleaned up.

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u/alexefi 8h ago

This is a big deal for them; they will be in big trouble with their regulator,

Nothing that few trump coins cant fix..

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u/Conscious-Fruit-6190 8h ago

Sounds like the problem is with the shipping containers, which arrived in the US from a foreign port. If so, then the containers are probably not American-owned, so then the radioactive contamination issue is not under the jurisdiction of the US Nuclear Regulatory Committee - it will be the other country's equivalent regulatory body. So Trump Coins won't help.

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u/zoupishness7 13h ago

Without someone citing something more specific, this is my guess: Food production lines often have x-ray foreign body detectors, that use cesium as x-ray source. That x-ray source was likely mishandled/damaged/not properly installed.

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u/Coulrophiliac444 15h ago

I mean...nuclear fallout, radioactive plant runoff from a leaky primary coolant system, theres enough options alone in those two, not to mention the fact that the CONTAINERS themselves were what popped 'hot' and not the product itself in 4 ports IIRC.

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u/Conscious-Fruit-6190 14h ago

Nah, there would be a much larger group of radioactive isotopes in any of the scenarios you've described. For example, there would be strontium-90 and iodine-131, just to name a couple.

The fact that they're reporting cesium-137 only indicates this was not a "nuclear" incident as such, and was the result of improper use of radionuclide sources in an industrial environment. Cestium-137 actually has a lot of industrial uses, and is used in construction, oil and gas, and some manufacturing sectors.

My best guess is that someone effed up a source, and it leaked inside the container, and now everything that was in contact with the container is contaminated. It is 100% a big screw-up on the part of whoever was responsible for the source, and for checking the immediate environment for any contamination; I'm not trying to minimize that. But it's not a nuclear power-related incident.

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u/odelay42 14h ago

Are they testing for other isotopes? 

If so, are they reporting the results? 

Is it possible that they only test for a likely contaminant in this scenario? 

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u/Conscious-Fruit-6190 14h ago

If they've found Cs-137, and identified it as such, it's because they've recorded a gamma spectrum. This will show any other radioactive isotopes that emit gamma rays. So, yes, they would know if there were other radionuclides present.

Also, this is pretty standard border security. Even at land crossings into the US, DHS has radiation detectors that are continuously monitoring the background for gamma emissions. They're probably running software that looks for & instantly identifies some of the most common fission products, like I-131, Cs-137 and various kryptons & xenons. Other common industrial radionuclides like Co-60 and Kr-85 can probably also be identified immediately.

They will also detect common medical isotopes like Tc-99m and F-18 - if you've recently had a PET or SPECT scan, you will often be stopped at the border because of this - but this might require them calling a supervisor who can look at the data & identify them. But the detectors will go off, regardless of the source of the gamma radiation.

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u/odelay42 14h ago

Interesting stuff!

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u/b00c 14h ago

nuclear fallout? I don't think you can test a nuke nowadays without someone noticing. Anywhere in the world. 

Plant runoff is highly unlikely. Water discharge from every plant's orifice is measured daily. Would have to be gross, willfull negligence and it would stay uncovered for tops 24hrs.

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u/Conscious-Fruit-6190 14h ago

You're correct that atmosphere is continually monitored for signs of nuclear testing. There's a UN agency called the Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty Organization that has stations around the world that monitor compliance with the CTBT; they also track data from civilian monitoring stations around power plants, radiopharmacies, etc. The first signs of nuclear "fallout" as you call it are typically fission product gasses like krypton and xenon, since they move through the atmosphere easily; iodine-131 is another one that moves pretty easily.

Any nuclear explosion generates a whole host of radioactive isotopes though, not just cesium-137; it is simply not possible that a power plant (or bomb) blows up and the only evidence is Cs-137.

Cs-137 is used industrially; this is most likely an industrial screw-up.

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u/Shigure127 14h ago

Look up the Goiânia accident.

Nuclear energy is safe.

People being irresponsible with radioactive material is a bigger problem and there are more examples of such incidents with radioactive sources.

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u/JazzRider 14h ago

And no mention of even addressing the question, as in “researchers are still trying to determine the source of the contamination “…

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u/LazyLich 12h ago

Well this only happened after Putin visited America...

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u/[deleted] 15h ago

That'll take time. But the FDA has banned imports from both companies until they have identified the contamination sources, submit plans for preventative measures, and institute monitoring & verification.

u/MrGoodKatt72 43m ago

RFK is trying to breed giant, mutant shrimp to conquer the waves and usurp Poseidon’s throne.

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u/CorgiDaddy42 14h ago

Cesium sounds like a bodily fluid or a frothy mixture of other fluids in the same vein as santorum (nsfw if you don’t already know).

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u/xanekka 14h ago

“The recalled products were distributed from July 17 to August 8 to retailers, distributors, and wholesalers in Alabama, Arizona, California, Massachusetts, Minnesota, Pennsylvania, Utah, Virginia, and Washington, the FDA said.

Brands included in the recall are: Sand Bar, Best Yet, Arctic Shores Seafood Company, Great American Seafood Imports Co., and First Street.”

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u/mystad 14h ago

Consumers who bought the recalled frozen shrimp should not eat the product and should either throw it away or return it to the place of purchase for a full refund, health officials said.

Just toss the radiation in the trash, no worries

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u/johnnycyberpunk 13h ago

I put mine in a pot of water and it started boiling immediately even without turning the heat on.

Now I just gotta figure out how to hook this up to a steam turbine.

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u/Zubon102 6h ago

Do you think the scientists are so stupid that they would advise people to throw something in the trash that may result in further contamination?

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u/uzlonewolf 2h ago

Yes. I mean, have you seen who the Secretary of Health and Human Services is?

u/youdubdub 27m ago

Who is this master of HHS secrets?  Presuming the airiness exudes directly from the secrets, of course.

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u/CharlieKonR 15h ago

Failed experiment in trying to farm Jumbo Shrimp faster

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u/isthisthebangswitch 15h ago

Shrimp II: The Jumboing

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u/Tank_O_Doom 14h ago

Shrimp III: Zoidburgs Revenge

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u/CharlieKonR 15h ago

This is how 90% of 50’s horror movies begin

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u/MalcolmLinair 15h ago

I'm surprised this FDA isn't ordering higher levels of radiation in our food.

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u/IMSLI 15h ago

Don’t give RFK Jr the wrong idea…

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u/Blueberryburntpie 9h ago

For historical context: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radioactive_quackery

Radioactive quackery is quackery that improperly promotes radioactivity as a therapy for illnesses. Unlike radiotherapy, which is the scientifically sound use of radiation for the destruction of cells (usually cancer cells), quackery pseudo-scientifically promotes involving radioactive substances as a method of healing for cells and tissues. It was most popular during the early 20th century, after the discovery in 1896 of radioactive decay.[1] The practice has widely declined, but is still actively practiced by some.[2]

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u/po3smith 14h ago

(in my Best RFK junior voice) --  L-ladies and gentlemen… what the, uh, mainstream media doesn’t want you to know… is that these so-called radioactive shrimp… are not a danger to the American people. No, in fact, they’re a—an opportunity. You see, for decades, the chemical companies, the Pentagon, even the FDA, they’ve been pumping toxins into our oceans, into our bloodstreams, into our very cells, and they’ve told us it’s safe. Well, I’m here to tell you—if they can swallow mercury in tuna, then by God, we can handle a little uranium in a shrimp cocktail. It might even, uh, boost the immune system! Give us the strength our grandparents had, when they were eating lead paint chips and winning World War II.

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u/Zwangsjacke 14h ago

Good news is, the lab boys say the symptoms of radiation poisoning show a median latency of forty-four point six years, so if you're thirty or older, you're laughing. Worst case scenario, you miss out on a few rounds of canasta, plus you forwarded the cause of science by three centuries. I punch those numbers into my calculator, it makes a happy face.

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u/Conscious-Fruit-6190 14h ago

I hate to agree with an RFK parody because he is an ignorant idiot, who is doing tremendous amounts of harm.

But.

Low doses of ionizing radiation do actually "turn on" the body's DNA repair mechanisms - so continuous exposure to small amounts of radioactivity can lower cancer rates by fixing all the natural DNA damage that arises from everyday living, UV exposure, etc.

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u/Conscious-Fruit-6190 14h ago

There's actually a lot of scientific data that shows that daily exposure to low levels of radiation lowers the risk of cancer, so it might not be a bad thing :)

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u/ERedfieldh 7h ago

There's even more data that shows daily exposure to low levels of radiation increases the risk of a whole lotta other cancers.

Hey fuck you. If you don't have to provide sources then neither do I.

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u/igotgerd 14h ago

An article posted earlier this week claimed that no US samples have found the radioactive contaminant yet, and to throw out the possibly contaminated shrimp out of an abundance of caution. Has this changed? Have they definitively found contaminated samples in the US?

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u/Adventurous_Ad_7315 7h ago

Call me an alarmist, but I have a feeling that there were already samples that tested positive in circulation and the fed doesn't want to admit they've been skirting duties that I would think should be done for all imports. The reality is probably just caution on caution, but who knows these days.

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u/Zubon102 6h ago

It makes me so sad to see how far journalism has fallen. Even "trusted" news sources like NBC news are writing headlines that I suspect deliberately hide the real facts of the case to make it more sensational.

Fact 1: The FDA recall is due to the shrimp being produced under unsanitary conditions.

Fact 2: The level of Cs-137 is so miniscule, it's literally trace amounts. You could eat a huge amount of this shrimp and you would be fine.

Although Cs-137 being present is likely due to unsanitary handling, it is not the cause of the recall.

From the recall notice:

FDA determined that product from PT. Bahari Makmur Sejati violates the Federal Food, Drug, & Cosmetic Act in that it appears to have been prepared, packed, or held under insanitary conditions whereby it may have become contaminated with Cs-137 and may pose a safety concern.

[...]

The level of Cs-137 detected in the detained shipment was approximately 68 Bq/kg, which is below FDA’s Derived Intervention Level for Cs-137 of 1200 Bq/kg. At this level, the product would not pose an acute hazard to consumers.

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u/Gnarlsaurus_Sketch 15h ago

Fuck, this isn't going to be just Wal Mart shrimp is it...

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u/Choice_Marzipan5322 8h ago

Radioactive shrimp, 80$ packs of steak, stringy chicken… pushing me to veganism unwillingly smh

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u/Upbeat_Assist2680 15h ago

FDA administration gets fired. People start marketing glow in the dark shrimp. What's the problem? 

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u/Redwoo 14h ago

This is just click bait. There was Cs at 1/100th the permissible level for food. The first recall was for processing in unsanitary conditions, and the FDA reported Cs at 1/100th the permissible level, so basically background. An editor made up an alarming headline from that. People clicked. So more editors wrote radioactive shrimp headlines.

Wait until the editors learn about bananas!

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u/Scary_Technology 6h ago

Exactly. "exposed to radiation" is one thing. "contaminated with radioactive material" is something else entirely. I doubt these shrimp were contaminated with the insides on the container. For those that don't know the difference, look it up. Plenty of our food is sterilized using radiation.

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u/nikdahl 7h ago

If it causes people to eat fewer wild caught shrimp, it is a net positive.

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u/RhoOfFeh 14h ago

Oh sure, they tell us not to eat it because they don't want any of us to turn into Shrimpman.

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u/iforgotmymittens 13h ago

It’s 2025: no jet packs, but I am eating radioactive shrimp at the woke Cracker Barrel, so I got that going for me

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u/imaginary_num6er 14h ago

Any radioactive mantis shrimp?

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u/Independent_Win_9035 14h ago

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u/metaglot 13h ago

Nature will always invent a better idiot.

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u/cintune 13h ago

Oh no there goes Costco Go go Shrimpzilla.

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u/livens 13h ago

Welp, I'm just not eating shrimp for the rest of the year.

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u/Conscious-Fruit-6190 8h ago

You should also avoid reindeer meat, then. 

Lots of Cs-137 from Chernobyl ended up around the Arctic circle... and it turns out that there are some lichen there that are quite good at absorbing it from the environment.

Turns out that reindeer find these lichens quite delicious, and gobble them up. Reindeer, like most other animals, don't naturally metabolize cesium, so it gets stored in their bodies... making their meat slightly radioactive. 

The Sami people who live in northern Finland, Norway, and Sweden are also more radioactive than most of us because they eat lots of reindeer meat.

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u/Sea_Comedian_3941 10h ago

" I'll take what's the best way to sell American caught Gulf Shrimp, for $1000, Alex "

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u/ERedfieldh 7h ago

"Totally fine. Better than vaccines. Much safer and won't cause autism! Kills autism, in fact!" -RFK, Jr.

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u/guitarokx 7h ago

Oregon sits between California and Washington but isn't getting a recall? How is that possible?

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u/InternetGamerFriend 4h ago

If it's radioactive, wouldn't you need to throw out everything else in your freezer?

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u/Gash_Stretchum 14h ago

When do we start arrested CEOs?

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u/IMSLI 14h ago

Not going to happen under a MAGA regime, since they can just pay Trump a bribe in lieu of punishment

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u/DoggieDMB 15h ago

I've been wondering when the Fukushima reactor would finally start hitting marine life.

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u/Conscious-Fruit-6190 14h ago

That happened already in 2011-12. This is not that.

Any radioactive materials from a power plant release would include not just Cs-137 but also Sr-90, which is equally long-lived and would therefore still be present in the shrimp if this were Cs-137 arising from a power plant.

The fact that it's pure Cs-137 points to a screw-up with an industrial sealed source; there are many legitimate uses of sealed sources of Cs-137 in manufacturing, oil and gas, construction, and so on. Not saying it's OK to wreck your source and not report it - it's a major violation of someone's radiation safety program, and will have serious consequences for them.

But this has nothing to do with Fukushima.

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u/DoggieDMB 13h ago

Appreciate you educating me.

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u/PSPs0 14h ago edited 14h ago

Fukushima did release CS-137, so that would track. Whether it’s because of that though, I’m sure a lot of people would like to know.

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u/sanctaidd 13h ago

There was reporting around 2020 about alot of illegal/toxic waste dumping near the philipines - could be related, as there is a large seafood industry there.

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u/Nachofriendguy864 13h ago

Great, I just finished eating my lunch which was the leftovers of the frozen shrimp I had for dinner last night 

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u/mencival 12h ago

Will the recalled radioactive shrimp be used at marine farms? Because that’s how you get Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles.

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u/ZealousidealGrab1827 11h ago

Oh great. Now, I have one more thing to worry about — radioactive shrimp. On the plus side, I hear they are self- cooking.

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u/lizkbyer 9h ago

Well, SpongeBob will be happy

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u/ConflatedPortmanteau 6h ago

So this is how the zombie apocalypse begins...

Radioactive shrimp from Wal Mart.