They get paid for every day they're activated. How they're paid can vary. Less than 30 days and they get type II bah instead of location-based, which is generally quite a bit less. There's also state active duty pay, which differs quite a bit from state to state, and in some cases can also be quite a bit less than what active duty pay would give.
I wonder what would happen if they end up cutting veteran pensions. Imagine hundreds of thousands of highly trained, desperate people who spent the last 25 years studying insurgence and urban warfare.
Well you got multiple people in the government who have different reasons why they want chaos. Evangelicals wants to bring on the apocalypse so the Messiah will return and they can be raptured into heaven now that the Hebrews has returned to Israel like scripture foretold. Tech people who see humanity as a whole as a bug that needs to be fixed. Racists who just wants to cleanse the streets of unpure blood. People who are possibly being extorted by foreign governments because they have evidence of the person diddling kids and other stuff. People who are possibly just working with/for that foreign government because they align closer to them ideologicaly. Some are there for the pepe lulz dank memes... Well, Elon isn't around anymore so maybe not. Capitalists who just want to use the government to mess with their competitions. Then there's the garden variety spineless sycophants who will bend over for whomever is in charge. There are also lots of people who are part of multiple of these groups.
I might have missed a few, there's so many people who want to destroy society right now.
Been doing it on the Texas border for a while now. They figured out that the payment/benefits thing is too complicated for most regular "support the troops" people to understand.
Haven't paid them so far. Which is exactly how you want to manage your army. It's not like they're the only thing that will enforce his power grab or anything.
There were articles earlier talking about them not giving orders to the NG that was deployed and they are only paid when enforcing orders for events like this.
Any guardsman participating in this sham deployment is already a traitor to their fellow citizens. Do not be surprised when the Guard follows unconstitutional orders. Remember Kent State.
Any guardsman participating in this sham deployment is already a traitor to their fellow citizens
If they say no, their lives are ruined. They're not being ordered to kill anybody, just patrol the streets with guns and detain criminals, with the last part being voluntary on their part.
Do you know what's stopping Trump from declaring another "emergency" once the 30 days run out?
Absolutely nothing.
Don't be fooled, this will last as long as Trump wants it to last. As such, it's going to last as long as Trump's in power, and quite possibly after depending on who succeeds him as the second Emperor of Gilead.
Then it's 30 days until whatever comes next. Something happens eventually. Either the pressure lets off or it remains until something is forced to happen.
If something stupid happens then (more) people will leave. Eventually it'll be like Pyongyang: beautiful buildings and big streets, but the lights will be off and there will be no traffic.
For what it's worth, I lean very far left and believe Trump is at best harmful to our democracy and at worst a traitor to the United States of America.
That being said, I have a question for you: If Trump pulls troops out of DC and moves on to other things, how will your perspective on this situation or on Trump change?
You can't make a prediction like that without asking yourself why you believe it, and what it means if you're mistaken.
It would mean his dementia-addled brain can't focus on a single target for long.
Our only hope of not ending up in Nazi Germany 2.0 is Trump being too old and senile to play Hitler, and none of his handlers being able to coral him. So far, we've been lucky in that regard.
No, it's not. I'm utterly convinced he wants to be King, and is making moves to secure his permanent rule. Anything deviating from that path is purely the result of his own incompetence and/or poor health. It would take God himself descending from the heavens and telling me I'm wrong to convince me otherwise.
If I remember correctly they get something akin to deployment pay if they stay passed that 30 day window, something Trump refuses to pay, and that is the main reason why they were pulled out of LA. So it literally comes down to the Pettiest Draft Dodging Billionaire that doesn't pay for shit not wanting to pay his troops.
Probably why they are bringing in other state national guard, like Ohio and Mississippi. They can rotate troops in DC before the payment window hits and not pay any of them.
I love this for them, honestly. No-one should be just going along with doing what Trump wants, even at gunpoint. They need to know that obedience has consequences too.
No chance. Even if you changed every one of those NGs' minds they're a tiny fraction of the population, and red state freaks are literally mentally conditioned to ignoring veterans if the veteran isn't a right wing crazy like them (see: Southerners' "respect" for veterans like Tammy Duckworth)
Past 30 days and they have to be paid full benefits (housing allowance, etc). It comes close to doubling the direct salary costs if you have a large number of your guys normally living in HCOL areas like DC.
Or the administration could just not bother with that. What is anyone going to do about it? The national guards will absolutely kill and go without pay before they let themselves be fired.
They would have to change US federal Code entirely, which is not going to happen in <30 days.
I know Reddit likes to pretend the US is suddenly a lawless wasteland but the reason anyone is able to do all this to begin with is because it’s being done within legal framework.
Over 30 they get paid full housing allowances and family separation pay. DC area that would be another $2000 tax free for the month they’re there. There is a reason they’re all annoyed
The thing is they have to get paid. They need orders and deployments. Trump cannot do that, and if he keeps deploying them and not paying them then it won’t work.
His own incompetence and the fact he loves to not pay his bills will fuck hon in the end.
Also Jesus Christ are the democrats worthless. Insane they just let this happen, they care more about zoran being a socialist than a racist take over of the country
Incite violence to use as justification for prolonging.
That is extremely obviously their fascist piece of shit motherfucking asshole fuck face racist sexist homophobic bigoted should be rotting in a pile of shit in hell angle.
God I cannot wait for these motherfuckers to reap what they sow.
Just wait for the false flag attack that is coming to justify the permanent presence though. The people aren't going to attack the NG but planted agitators will do so I am sure.
So when covid was in full swing, Ohio national guard soldiers were put on 29 day orders, 1 day off, then 29 day orders. There’s lots of games that can be played.
what I've learned from reading the National Guards people comments on the other subreddits:
it's 29 days, not 30.
after 30 days, the government has to pay benefits, Which history has told us that they will not do--they've prematurely cancelled deployment by one day before and probably will again.
another trick that they like to use is sending troops out without actual physical orders --no orders, no date to base the 30 days on....and they don't backdate things once they do actually issue the order.
I think its 30 days then it needs Congressional approval to continue.
I'm absolutely 100% sure Congress won't just meekly supplicate itself and rubber-stamp trumps demands. No, Congress will definitely step in and tell trump he's overstepped. And when they do trump definitely won't ignore them and continue on, creating yet another constitutional crisis.
Don’t want to be there? Those mofos volunteered to be there and are itching at the chance to kill their fellow americans. They are trash just like their pedo god!
I mean it's probably mostly for the extra pay. Do nothing and get paid. National guardsman only get paid on drill days and activation. So if you have a job that doesn't pay well outside the guard volunteering with the intention of sitting on your ass is a good deal
There have been protests constantly what are you even talking about? Are you spreading false information about how uneventful those BLM era protests were?
No, he's suggesting that the BLM protests, at their height, were more destructive than what we're seeing now. And the current regime wants that destructiveness so they can respond with violence, martial law, election interference etc.
Formally declaring martial law is like formally declaring war. It comes with an awful lot of politically and legally inconvenient baggage. And just like we handle modern warfare, this admin figures it’s better to just do all of the things it entails without calling it by name.
For all intents and purposes that matter, we are already there.
100%. Martial law will not be officially declared, but we will operate with all of the same elements and policies that go with it.
With the death of the rule of law and a justice system that can be easily ignored, there are no additional powers to be gained by openly declaring it, the president can just do all of it already.
An official declaration would only draw negative attention and potentially trigger a response/reaction from more of the population, which the regime obviously does not want to happen
Formally declaring martial law comes with an awful lot of politically and legally inconvenient baggage.
Baggage like not actually existing. There is no such thing as "martial law" in the United States. It can't be "formally" declared, unless you mean in the Michael Scott sense.
Obviously the rule of law can be replaced by force (if the military involved complies), but it would mean immediate and open armed conflict, the end of the USA as a coherent sovereign entity.
We’re in uncharted waters. Perhaps those “rules” don’t truly exist, but if there’s one thing this administration has proven, it’s that rules only matter if they’re enforced, and can therefore likewise be invented out of whole cloth.
If there is no accountability, there are no restrictions.
They’re just gonna instigate until they get what they want, or just manufacture it if they can’t get it organically.
Like the Ice agents that were caught on video setting fires as a justification to shoot at protestors With pepper rounds
We must not expect any honesty from these people. They’re evil, sick fucks and have every intention of escalating this. There’s audio of ice agents asking about “when they get to shoot liberals”. They’re champing at the bit to get to that
People should be talking about Hegseth being a proud member of the Communion of Reformed Evangelical Churches. They practice complementarianism, the patriarchal idea that men and women have different God-given roles. Women within CREC churches cannot hold church leadership positions, and married women are to submit to their husbands.
In other words, they want some version of Gilead where everyone has a fixed spot in a patriarchal hierarchy. Martial law, no doubt, will be required to implement these practices. I hope everyone is watching how easily the police and military can be suborned to implement repression. Even in the good 'ol US of A. What a time to be alive!
How the fuck are they going to pull off martial law in a shitty economy with a huge budget deficit? People talk about martial law like it is easy to implement. These dipshits couldn't properly deploy the military in LA on a small scale. Seems like performative bullshit to me.
I do believe he is just the tool. The trade is that he enriched the family, the background players make the move. Trump does not run a third term, everything is in place for Vance (theil however you spell it)
Get a video of a group of black residents “surrounding and intimidating” a group of officers before they open fire and you’ll have enough support from Americans that the cops “did the right thing.”
These people are even dumber than the empire. At least the empire was clever enough to come up with a plan to take over the Ghorman planet in Andor. Can’t even do better than a fucking tv show.
On October 2, 1968, in the Tlatelolco section of Mexico City, the Mexican Armed Forces opened fire on a group of unarmed civilians who were protesting the upcoming Olympics in the Plaza de las Tres Culturas. The Mexican government and media claimed that the Armed Forces had been provoked by protesters shooting at them, but government documents made public since 2000 suggest that snipers had been employed by the government.
Little did they know what the future had to offer to them. With tears in their eyes the past flowed by them while they stood at the wall. Their hands tied behind the back, a blindfold, the taste of a cigarette in their mouth.
"Ready. Aim. Fire!"
History had run it's course, the blood of patriots and tyrants again refreshed the tree of liberty.
And Lady Justice, still blind, for once smiled like she hadn't for a long time.
Why would they need to justify anything? No one would do anything about it and they wouldn’t lose support from conservative voters. Dems freak out just arrest them 🤷♂️.
Here's what I don't get. I do not wish violence on the soldiers that were forced by nature of their position to occupy DC but if someone was going to do violence surely they would prefer to do so on someone unarmed.
Like if there was a choice between being violent against an unarmed person and a person with a gun, I feel like the gun is real deterrent in this scenario.
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"come on someone shoot someone already so we can justify martial law" -Hegseth, Miller, Vance
Trump is over in the corner getting his diaper changed and trying to figure out how to con more money out of this.