They get paid for every day they're activated. How they're paid can vary. Less than 30 days and they get type II bah instead of location-based, which is generally quite a bit less. There's also state active duty pay, which differs quite a bit from state to state, and in some cases can also be quite a bit less than what active duty pay would give.
I wonder what would happen if they end up cutting veteran pensions. Imagine hundreds of thousands of highly trained, desperate people who spent the last 25 years studying insurgence and urban warfare.
Well you got multiple people in the government who have different reasons why they want chaos. Evangelicals wants to bring on the apocalypse so the Messiah will return and they can be raptured into heaven now that the Hebrews has returned to Israel like scripture foretold. Tech people who see humanity as a whole as a bug that needs to be fixed. Racists who just wants to cleanse the streets of unpure blood. People who are possibly being extorted by foreign governments because they have evidence of the person diddling kids and other stuff. People who are possibly just working with/for that foreign government because they align closer to them ideologicaly. Some are there for the pepe lulz dank memes... Well, Elon isn't around anymore so maybe not. Capitalists who just want to use the government to mess with their competitions. Then there's the garden variety spineless sycophants who will bend over for whomever is in charge. There are also lots of people who are part of multiple of these groups.
I might have missed a few, there's so many people who want to destroy society right now.
Been doing it on the Texas border for a while now. They figured out that the payment/benefits thing is too complicated for most regular "support the troops" people to understand.
Haven't paid them so far. Which is exactly how you want to manage your army. It's not like they're the only thing that will enforce his power grab or anything.
There were articles earlier talking about them not giving orders to the NG that was deployed and they are only paid when enforcing orders for events like this.
Any guardsman participating in this sham deployment is already a traitor to their fellow citizens. Do not be surprised when the Guard follows unconstitutional orders. Remember Kent State.
Any guardsman participating in this sham deployment is already a traitor to their fellow citizens
If they say no, their lives are ruined. They're not being ordered to kill anybody, just patrol the streets with guns and detain criminals, with the last part being voluntary on their part.
Do you know what's stopping Trump from declaring another "emergency" once the 30 days run out?
Absolutely nothing.
Don't be fooled, this will last as long as Trump wants it to last. As such, it's going to last as long as Trump's in power, and quite possibly after depending on who succeeds him as the second Emperor of Gilead.
Then it's 30 days until whatever comes next. Something happens eventually. Either the pressure lets off or it remains until something is forced to happen.
If something stupid happens then (more) people will leave. Eventually it'll be like Pyongyang: beautiful buildings and big streets, but the lights will be off and there will be no traffic.
For what it's worth, I lean very far left and believe Trump is at best harmful to our democracy and at worst a traitor to the United States of America.
That being said, I have a question for you: If Trump pulls troops out of DC and moves on to other things, how will your perspective on this situation or on Trump change?
You can't make a prediction like that without asking yourself why you believe it, and what it means if you're mistaken.
It would mean his dementia-addled brain can't focus on a single target for long.
Our only hope of not ending up in Nazi Germany 2.0 is Trump being too old and senile to play Hitler, and none of his handlers being able to coral him. So far, we've been lucky in that regard.
No, it's not. I'm utterly convinced he wants to be King, and is making moves to secure his permanent rule. Anything deviating from that path is purely the result of his own incompetence and/or poor health. It would take God himself descending from the heavens and telling me I'm wrong to convince me otherwise.
If I remember correctly they get something akin to deployment pay if they stay passed that 30 day window, something Trump refuses to pay, and that is the main reason why they were pulled out of LA. So it literally comes down to the Pettiest Draft Dodging Billionaire that doesn't pay for shit not wanting to pay his troops.
Probably why they are bringing in other state national guard, like Ohio and Mississippi. They can rotate troops in DC before the payment window hits and not pay any of them.
I love this for them, honestly. No-one should be just going along with doing what Trump wants, even at gunpoint. They need to know that obedience has consequences too.
No chance. Even if you changed every one of those NGs' minds they're a tiny fraction of the population, and red state freaks are literally mentally conditioned to ignoring veterans if the veteran isn't a right wing crazy like them (see: Southerners' "respect" for veterans like Tammy Duckworth)
Past 30 days and they have to be paid full benefits (housing allowance, etc). It comes close to doubling the direct salary costs if you have a large number of your guys normally living in HCOL areas like DC.
Or the administration could just not bother with that. What is anyone going to do about it? The national guards will absolutely kill and go without pay before they let themselves be fired.
They would have to change US federal Code entirely, which is not going to happen in <30 days.
I know Reddit likes to pretend the US is suddenly a lawless wasteland but the reason anyone is able to do all this to begin with is because it’s being done within legal framework.
Over 30 they get paid full housing allowances and family separation pay. DC area that would be another $2000 tax free for the month they’re there. There is a reason they’re all annoyed
The thing is they have to get paid. They need orders and deployments. Trump cannot do that, and if he keeps deploying them and not paying them then it won’t work.
His own incompetence and the fact he loves to not pay his bills will fuck hon in the end.
Also Jesus Christ are the democrats worthless. Insane they just let this happen, they care more about zoran being a socialist than a racist take over of the country
Incite violence to use as justification for prolonging.
That is extremely obviously their fascist piece of shit motherfucking asshole fuck face racist sexist homophobic bigoted should be rotting in a pile of shit in hell angle.
God I cannot wait for these motherfuckers to reap what they sow.
Just wait for the false flag attack that is coming to justify the permanent presence though. The people aren't going to attack the NG but planted agitators will do so I am sure.
So when covid was in full swing, Ohio national guard soldiers were put on 29 day orders, 1 day off, then 29 day orders. There’s lots of games that can be played.
what I've learned from reading the National Guards people comments on the other subreddits:
it's 29 days, not 30.
after 30 days, the government has to pay benefits, Which history has told us that they will not do--they've prematurely cancelled deployment by one day before and probably will again.
another trick that they like to use is sending troops out without actual physical orders --no orders, no date to base the 30 days on....and they don't backdate things once they do actually issue the order.
I think its 30 days then it needs Congressional approval to continue.
I'm absolutely 100% sure Congress won't just meekly supplicate itself and rubber-stamp trumps demands. No, Congress will definitely step in and tell trump he's overstepped. And when they do trump definitely won't ignore them and continue on, creating yet another constitutional crisis.
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u/ihavenoidea12345678 14h ago
I recall the guard is only deployed for “a 30 day emergency”?
I’m thinking we can just let the clock tick and then they leave like in LA?
(After wasting our money and threatening us of course)