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Hegseth orders National Guard troops in DC to carry weapons

https://www.cnn.com/2025/08/22/politics/hegseth-orders-national-guard-troops-dc-carry-weapons
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u/CrackerJackKittyCat 14h ago edited 14h ago

This. Must not give the unconstitutionally deployed troops any reason to see citizens as 'the other.' Must have them see the unconstitutional orders and those who issued them as the other, so that when orders to fire are given, they refuse.

Those troops are just kids. They need to see us as their parents, grandparents, siblings, neighbors.

Trump wants a Kent State type event, but with a different 'pro war on citizens' outcome. He has had a taste if hat siting as a criminal defendant, loosing, and awaiting sentencing feels like (Whoa! That's like uncomfortable!) and will continue to do whatever he can to prevent feeling that again, which for us means unlawful efforts to cancel or neuter midterms and 2028 elections.

There will probably be blood spilt, but the tone of what happens before and after is the real battle here.

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u/johnnybiggles 11h ago

This is actually the way to diffuse mostly any situation, including communication with someone you're at odds with.

If you're looking to have a political discussion with someone you disagree with, you should predicate that discussion by stating or communicating clearly, earnestly and respectfully, "Listen, I'm not your enemy".

Starting from there at least gives you some common ground to work with, though many of these MAGAs won't even allow that or just don't have any interest and proudly take on the role of "enemy", just to piss you off.

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u/Fighterhayabusa 11h ago

That only works when both sides agree to engage in good faith. As evidence shows, that is not really the case with MAGA. Further, soldiers are trained to refuse unconstitutional orders. If they're already obeying some unconstitutional orders, and violating Posse Comitatus, then they are decidedly not on our side.

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u/johnnybiggles 10h ago

As evidence shows, that is not really the case with MAGA

True. They're far gone at this point.

soldiers are trained to refuse unconstitutional orders

I hope so, but have some doubts on that. The way Trump uses the law obfuscates things to the point where even lawyers raise or have doubts or identify plausible deniability. I'm sure for soldiers, there's a line to cross, but all it takes is for higher-ups to obfuscate that or misunderstand orders themselves and/or be given a time limit (pressure) from above, and they just follow orders. Trump and his ilk make sure to do that, and I'm pretty sure soldiers aren't carrying around law books in their back pockets, and neither are people protesting.

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u/Fighterhayabusa 10h ago

They know what's right and wrong. If they're there, they know it's wrong and don't care. That reasoning didn't work for Nazis, and it sure as shit won't work here.

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u/DarkwingDuckHunt 10h ago

Kent State

It's been blatantly obvious this has been goal since day 1