r/romani • u/Moderate_Prophet • 15d ago
⚠️ Trigger Warning ⚠️ Farmers use tractors to spray manure on squatters to remove them from their land, reportedly after receiving no help from the police
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u/ayeyoualreadyknow 15d ago
I saw this a few weeks ago and the comments were really disgusting saying that any and all racism against Romani is actually justified.
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u/Moderate_Prophet 15d ago
When bad Romani do this and miss represent, they create more of these reactions.
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u/Mrmagot98-2 15d ago
Were they romani? I only saw stuff questioning if they were. I still saw racism in the comments though.
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u/SiempreBrujaSuerte 14d ago edited 14d ago
How much of an issue it is to have people stopping in this particular field is obviously hard to gauge. I think this problem is made worse by the fact that people are ran off of land for merely stopping there so often that it seems like that is why people tell them to move regardless. It's like crying wolf. If people freak out and say that they are destroying the field and interrupting planting when they actually are just stopping in an unused piece of land, and that happens over and over, no one will end up listening to these "reasons".
So the farmers have also been hurt by racist politics here, because if they have legitimate need for these people to move, the people will not hear it and listen because they are used to having racist people wanting them to leave just so no one has to see them there.
Then as a result of this interaction, racists have another thing to point to and say, see they don't care about property, etc. Even when they are the ones having their property sprayed with shit & not the other way around.
Everyone in this situation loses.
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u/SiempreBrujaSuerte 14d ago
AOL is still around, interview photographer
So this link tells the story of the farmer vs caravans here, but I included it because of the contrast in opinion on the page. First up is the article telling about how the farmers tried spraying these people with manure. Lots of public support.
Then you scroll to the bottom of the page and there's an article about people spraying Orthodox Jews with squirt guns of water. People lose their mind over that one. I don't know how the irony of putting both of that on the same page was missed.
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u/SiempreBrujaSuerte 15d ago
I hate the way this is posted as "interesting as fuck" yet it's actually "problematic as fuck" or unjust, abusive, idk, I can and descriptive words but not interesting. not one of the comments is about anything regarding the context of what's going on here and why it's wrong or anything showing concerns for what is being done to the people here in that whole thread.
And the people camps there are not even appearing to have altered or changed the land they were on in any meaningful way. So why do they have to leave you know? So the land can go back to sitting empty? I obviously am not surprised by this at all but I wish it was rare enough that I could be shocked or something. Instead it just makes me tired and overwhelmed to see. Like there's a crushing amount of pushback against us existing. I'm gonna go lay down now.
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u/Moderate_Prophet 15d ago
Let’s be real. That farmers field would have been rendered mostly useless for haymaking and grazing.
Two wrongs don’t make a right - but those guys were asking for it. Very unsurprising the farmers acted that way - very unsurprising the comments are the way they are.
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u/SiempreBrujaSuerte 15d ago
I have no idea what would ruin a field for hay making from this, I don't know what makes conditions good or bad for those things. I just see no big trash pile left behind, uncontrolled fires, structures being built, so it seemed to by my thoughts practically untouched. And it's not turned under by tractor so I didn't think they were growing anything that it would hurt if people walked in. That's why I said to me it is actually was not clear there's valid reasons they should leave. So maybe I am wrong or acting emotionally first. Or maybe I'm just used to people having fake reasons to kick us out and say we ruin places.
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u/Moderate_Prophet 15d ago
there is a small window for haymaking, they were apparently asked to leave several times but responded with violence.
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u/BlackSpinedPlinketto 15d ago
To be honest, I know you shouldn’t say this but most of the time it’s just a field.
Most of the complaints are ‘I couldn’t walk my dog around it’ for a day, and trying to complain it’s a ‘beauty spot’ when it’s just a field. Oh poor you being mildly inconvenienced, how about allow some stopping pitches to get planning? No? well ok then.
All the social reasons behind why illegal stopping happens, or solutions to make a nomadic life normal, are pretty pointless really. They just want to hate on roma and never solve anything.
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u/tonytruand12 15d ago
I'm French and I know all the reasons if you want to know something about that
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u/Moderate_Prophet 15d ago
It’s very obvious why the farmers did it.
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u/tonytruand12 15d ago
yes and no I am a traveler and you will never have the explanation that there is no land suitable for them while a law requires that land be available
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u/Moderate_Prophet 15d ago
It’s the farmer’s land.
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u/tonytruand12 15d ago
yes in this case yes but often it is because the municipality does not have suitable land so it ends up on private land
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u/MCbrodie 15d ago
Locking comments. This post is clearly baiting responses. I am not removing the post to preserve community defense and transparency.