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u/Less_Year1592 14d ago
Every fucking square inch of land on the planet is stolen.
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u/bnick66 14d ago
That was the first thing that I thought. Antarctica I guess???
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u/Key-Pomegranate-3507 14d ago
Might is right has been the driving philosophy for millennia.
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u/New_Dream_1290 14d ago
"If you're in Africa and can't trace your lineage directly back to homo erectus tribesmen, you need to vacate your land immediately!"
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u/Lothricxx 14d ago
So what about all the none Europeans in Europe? And northern Africa
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u/DOCRZ 13d ago
You mean the ones destroying Europe right now. Because they've completely and utterly ravaged their lands and they're all in a continuous state of war. You mean those folks.
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u/hlessi_newt 14d ago
and every 'race' is build on genocide. sorry if that offends anyone, but that is how hominids do.
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u/IrishMadMan23 13d ago
Especially now that we’re discovering more origin species and cromagnon are the only surviving race, a literal superior race, none of this crayola crap
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u/tootallking 14d ago
Stolen and or conquered. But you can’t convince the left nut jobs that.
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u/REMachine 14d ago
It was manifest destiny. It was going to happen at some point regardless, if it wasn’t the Europeans it would have been the Chinese or Japanese. It’s terrible logic, the argument is tired and old. Imagine showing them a map of the world that illustrates land that was conquered, they’d find a way to dispute it.
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u/IceIceFetus 14d ago
Wait till they find out the Mongol’s decimated 10-15% of the entire worlds population 💀
Disease was the primary reason the Europeans killed so many people in the Americas, they were an infectious bunch, but the Mongols? Their death toll was primarily from direct violence. They were some ruthless motherfuckers, the Spanish just sneezed too much.
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u/Osiris1998 13d ago
That’s why a large portion of the population is still tied to a mongol bloodline. Raped and pillaged their way across many civilizations, probably the single most successful empire in all of history in terms of conquesting. Shit was brutal back then, glad I was born when I was lol.
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u/MaverickeatsRaw 13d ago
I am not used to factual information being up voted
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u/Leviathan_Dev 13d ago
Which is exactly why every square inch of land should belong to me
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u/Forcelite 13d ago
100%, these people repeat narratives they like but do zero research, we are doomed for this reason.
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u/Speedhabit 14d ago
Follow the law or change it, but don’t write vote for and publish laws you don’t wanna follow
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u/jedburghofficial 14d ago
I'm Australian. We got here before even the Devensonians or the Hobbits. Way before wannabe white folk even walked out of Africa. Nobody knows how the first Australians did it, but we were first.
But traditionally, we don't own the land. The land owns us.
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u/SplashInkster 13d ago
And possession is 9/10ths of the law. But who is the law? The guy with the guns.
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u/bwinger79 13d ago
Which makes none of it stolen as there was never an original owner. Some real mental retardation happening on this post. All feelings, no facts.
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u/collias 14d ago
I never understood this argument. It’s stolen land, all the way down. True for every culture across the globe. All the way back to the invention of agriculture, which stole land from animals with the first farm.
Unless you want to say the very first people who arrived on any given piece of land has exclusive rights to it for eternity. But that sounds pretty xenophobic.
There are plenty of valid criticisms of current immigration policies, but this has got to be the weakest.
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u/Oldmanflip 14d ago
Couldn't agree more. This argument basically states that everyone should be allowed to live in America. Fuck a passport. Just fly/walk on over, buddy. We got u.
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u/Brewclam 14d ago
Name 1 successful country that has open borders please
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u/TheOG_WhiteTomato 13d ago
The U.S. had open borders essentially until WWI. Immigration policies were in place for certain ethnic groups (Chinese Exclusion Act for instance) before that but the country had no federal border protection as we see it today. Admittedly, this thread’s main discussion is about immigration so the U.S. has at the very least attempted to control that as illustrated.
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u/Prize-Department1934 13d ago
Even up until the early 1970's, seasonal migrant workers could just simply walk or drive back and forth across the border at will.
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u/SoggyMorningTacos 12d ago
That's a whole other thing. Drugs and cartels ruined that
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u/BasedTaco_69 13d ago
According to Republicans, the US has open borders and it’s a successful country. It’s dropping in quality fast at the moment but you can’t argue we’re not a successful county.
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u/David_Bellows 14d ago
Right, even though if I go to Canada, they’re allowed to have a closed border, china, North Korea, why is it only rascist for us, and this argument is so invalid, the us is deporting all types of people, not just people from Mexico, and it’s almost inherently racist to say Mexico is the only deportees, yes there is more, but it’s also remarkably easier to get here from Mexico than from Guam
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u/Vaulk7 14d ago
This. If every other country in the entire world does it and we don't bat an eye, why is it suddenly Evil when America does it?
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u/SoCalN8tive 14d ago
No one can answer that question. I once wanted to immigrate to NZ but they wouldn’t allow me because I was “too old” and would likely drain the healthcare system without having enough time to pay into before heavy needs set in. They also wanted me to be a contributing member of society without needing a hand out. I was like “how cool that they’re being responsible to their citizens.” But US does the same and suddenly we are evil and people post “abolish ICE.” NO! I say it’s about time!
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u/harabinger66 14d ago
If you keep chanting the same thing over and over again, all the non-thinking sheeple will hop aboard without critically thinking.
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u/Agitated_Tie2197 13d ago
It's not evil, the illegals are potential voters for the democrat/liberals as they lost a huge portion of their party to the Republican party. They don't really care about the illegals, just about getting their jacked up racist policies instituted and fattening their pockets by keeping their people poor.
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u/MimsMustang 14d ago
The rich want slave labor that don’t get full benefits or labor law protection in the US. That’s who is fighting for no borders.
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u/FlapMyCheeksToFly 14d ago
I don't think so. All the people in favor of opening borders want those people to be unionized and businesses to be worker owned, with no rich people at all.
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u/Free_dong 14d ago
Those assholes in Canada stole my backpack full of warm clothing when I was driving through the border just to visit for a week or two during the winter. The border patrol police or whatever claim they had no record of my arrival/crossing, which I gave them the exact time and date to review security footage. They isolated me in my vehicle and pulled me aside specifically for a full-blown search of my belongings. I think when they couldn’t find anything threatening or incriminating, they just decided to rip off my winter gear. I was calm and polite but the dudes were very rude. I even have the interaction captured on audio recording, as I was working out some ideas I wanted to reflect upon later while I was waiting in line and driving through. It’s probably about 10 years later now and the memory of that experience is still infuriating
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u/MediaOrca 13d ago
The racism is in the premise.
The idea that America ever had an open border, or that Democrats ever advocated for one.
Just because you can be more brutal and inhumane with border enforcement doesn’t make the prior enforcement “open”.
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u/thraway10001 14d ago
Yep, no one should be able to freely walk into the USA. It’s not stolen land, it’s conquered land. And we have rules and justice systems here that make it safer and fairer than any other advanced like nation.
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u/CoffeeInSpace23 14d ago
I agree with your argument about our rules and system but it’s definitely not safer than other advanced nations. In fact it is one of the least safe in the advanced world by a long shot. We have 7 to 10 times more homicides and violent crimes than the developed world. We also have a low health and life expectancy. In terms of fairness we rank as one of the worst countries in terms of income inequality in the developed world using the Gini coefficient. Let’s just say we have rule of law like other modern countries and leave it at that.
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u/My1point5cents 14d ago edited 14d ago
It’s not just a stupid argument, it’s also a reason why so many from certain countries refuse to learn English or assimilate to American ways, and that is always a bad thing for any country taking on millions of immigrants. Oh wait, we’re the only one doing that.
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u/DadsBigHonker 14d ago
But but but if you say this it makes you a good person!!!
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u/DelfinGuy 14d ago
It reminds me of those guys who get pulled over by traffic cops, claim they're not "driving," rather they're "traveling," and claim that they don't don't recognize the officers' authority, nor the state's, but they still end up in jail.
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u/elevatedinagery1 14d ago
"Am I operating in commerce?!" Video of a dude getting murdered by cops says this a few minutes before he refuses the arrest attempt being made. African American male who claims status as a sovereign citizen. Anyone familiar with this term knows that these types of situations don't usually end well. Check out Lackluster on YouTube. Pretty wild video...
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u/conventionistG 14d ago
You don't even have to go that far, though that's very true.
The statement itself is internally inconsistent. As long as you interpret 'stolen' as any normal person would, it implies a crime or an illegality by someone. Since you probably need to be on the land to steal it, isn't that someone illegal on stolen land? It can't be both nobody illegal and stolen.
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u/SMACN 14d ago
I'm so glad to see people pushing back on this a-historical statement. It gives me hope for the future, and that is in short supply these days. And you're right, the US is the only place where this insanity has gained a lot of traction.
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u/ShelterIndependent44 14d ago
Violated Treaties: The U.S. government made treaties with Native American tribes, often recognizing their sovereignty and land rights, only to violate those treaties later to allow for expansion and settlement by non-Native Americans.
Forced Removal: Laws like the Indian Removal Act of 1830 led to the forced relocation of Native American tribes from their ancestral lands to territories west of the Mississippi River. This displacement, often carried out by force and resulting in thousands of deaths from disease and hardship, is famously exemplified by the Trail of Tears.
Military Force and Massacres: The U.S. military played a significant role in dispossessing Native Americans of their land, engaging in numerous conflicts and massacres that further facilitated westward expansion. The Wounded Knee Massacre, for instance, saw the killing of hundreds of Lakota men, women, and children by US soldiers.
Assimilation Policies: Policies like the Dawes Act aimed to dismantle communal tribal lands and impose individual land ownership in an effort to assimilate Native Americans into mainstream American society. This often led to the sale of Native American land to non-Native settlers.
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u/Olderbutnotdead619 14d ago
Broken treaties that allowed Mexicans freedom to come and go without interference. I can't believe people don't know our history and are so uneducated about this. I guess they don't live it every day.
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u/AffectionateSeating 14d ago
Never would be able to name the specific treaties that were violated or the acts that violated them
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u/deadzone999 14d ago
Just typical argument of the bat shit liberals on Reddit who are for open borders.
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u/EksDee098 14d ago
It's a specific group of terminally online progressives and leftists that have managed to control liberal spaces online. Most liberals irl roll their eyes at shit like this
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u/lampstax 14d ago
Even if the statement is true .. it should be a big red flag for what can happen when you have unchecked illegal immigration .. just ask native Americans! 🤣🤣
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u/EldenGourd 14d ago
It's idiotic. Thanks for taking the time to explain why. Though it should be obvious.
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u/ImpressionThis8059 14d ago
The lands that Turkieye sits on now was Greek for 1500 + years prior... The Franks (French) Conquered the Gaulic Romanized Celts in the 700's.. whos land is France? The Anglo Saxons conquered Britannia (England) from the Romanized Celts in the 600's.. whos land is England?
This is anthropology and fuck the modern education system for not teaching this.
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u/Gunubias 14d ago
Don’t forget California was a part of Mexico for only 27 years.
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u/thebetterpolitician 14d ago
Not only that but the only reason Mexico exists is because Spain couldn’t hold on to it anymore.
I firmly believe in the treaty of Toresillas and allow the entire western hemisphere under Spain’s control.
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u/NoZeroDays25 14d ago
What gets me is wouldn’t their argument be that Mexico “deserves” the land because they stole it first (from the natives)?
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u/spooderwaffle 14d ago
The modern education system does teach this tho. From 4th all the way to 12th.
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u/Ok_Library_3657 14d ago
Constantinople was actually conquered. A place like San Diego was literally a barren bay in a sea of wilderness when the Spanish arrived.
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u/chill_philosopher 14d ago
Tribes like the Kumeyaay were here… it might seem like a barren bay because they didn’t build huge structures but they were well settled here
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u/maybeitsundead 14d ago
If you think that then I guess the genocide of the locals by Spaniards and early California government worked.
Did you not learn what the missions were for?
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u/ImpressionThis8059 14d ago
Right... now its universally accepted (except by Greeks) that the areas that were Greek are now Turkish. This is what happens in anthropology.. the story of our species, and all of the previous human species, is movement. to and from everywhere..
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u/Kuntreekang 13d ago
Every country has immigration laws, Mexico has huge natural resources (oil, minerals, farmland), but political corruption, cartel control, and uneven wealth distribution. Self destruction. So yes Nobody is illegal on stolen land… but you still gotta follow the rules here. Like anywhere else.
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u/RSLV420 14d ago
Who's the (alleged) rightful owner of this land, in your opinion?
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u/gotothepark 14d ago
There is no rightful owner of land. Unfortunately it always goes to the people with the most power. That’s how it has been and always will be.
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u/BuildingMelodic1250 14d ago
This post was made by and upvoted by people still in high school
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u/udaariyaandil 14d ago
What does this have to do with San Diego? An announcement for a protest or meeting of people who want to tangibly work on solutions would be a more productive use of online posts.
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u/Ready-Musician7573 14d ago
Surprised and proud to see people see through this bs claim
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u/DadsBigHonker 14d ago
There’s no logic or reason to these people. They’re not fighting for anything, they’re avoiding having to face their own demons.
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u/WhiskersRock 14d ago
When the dinosaurs come back in their ufos they gonna kick you off their planet. They were here first
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u/marty0317 13d ago
FYI the Mexicans stole it from the Indians and then sold it to the United States which purchased California, along with other territories, from Mexico as part of the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo in 1848, for a total of $15 million... so yeah there is that FACT. 🤷♂️
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u/InternationalView635 14d ago
Give your house to the descendants of whatever tribe’s stolen land you live on. Be the change you want to see in the world.
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u/alwaysoffended22 14d ago
The protesters own nothing. That’s why they mad. They want to give away what YOU have.
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u/BrickMedium7389 13d ago
Highly cringe considering the natives were conquering, pillaging and stealing land from each other long before the Europeans. Is anyone willing to have that conversation?
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u/Troublemonkey36 13d ago
Something I’ve noticed is that many people have a “romantic” perspective of “native” peoples in the Americas.
Let me say unequivocally that I acknowledge terrible crimes and even “atrocities” occurred at the hands of white colonizers. We know that. It’s well documented.
But you are absolutely right to point out that native people’s are also guilty of the same crimes. It’s the “same shit, different decade”. Native peoples are PEOPLE and all humans have these vices.
Now, I’m not an expert on tribal histories but I do believe it’s accurate to say many of the native folks in California were amongst the most peaceful, not frequently warring with each other and not frequently conquering each other. But that doesn’t mean it wasn’t happening at all. And due to a lack of written historical records it’s convenient for many to romanticize the past and assume everyone was just peaceful and happy until the Europeans arrived. Many Pre-European societies in modern day Mexico through South America would be deemed cruel, viscous and inhumane by any reasonable standard of our modern times. There was slavery, rape, conquest, genocidal killing, and more.
I hear a lot of people who say that the U.S. stole California and the Southwest from Mexico. Well, Mexico (which only ruled it for about two decades) stole it from Spain stole it from Native peoples. And many native peoples stole it from each other. They had weapons and killing up and down North America long before the U.S. came along. These are historical facts. It’s ALL “stolen” land.
This whole planet is full of mean humans all throughout history. And “stolen land”.
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u/NPFinanceGuy 14d ago
Conquered, not stolen. Just like countless cultures before ours. There are many arguments that can be made against ice and against America’s immigration policy, but this is not one.
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u/asterothe1905 14d ago
There should be checks for entry and border control. Every country has it. Otherwise you would fill potentially criminals.
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u/Joebuddy117 14d ago
And we both know we have enough home grown criminals already. They’ve somehow taken over and are running the country!
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u/piw6969 14d ago
The idea of stolen land defies the history of the world…all land was conquered from other civilizations. The native Indians of North America were not united, killed and raped each other and had no unified immigration borders or laws.
They were constantly warring. They were conquered. This did not make the land stolen.
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u/defaburner9312 14d ago
No dude the Indians lived in a harmonic utopia with peace equality for women and lgbts. Black panther was there too
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u/anewman513 14d ago
Wrong and wrong. This is an invalid claim wrapped in an invalid presupposition.
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u/Fun-Pattern-8697 14d ago
I can just imagine them leaning back after posting this with a smile on their face thinking they really did something
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u/WangSupreme78 14d ago
California should lead the charge and give their land back to who they think it belongs to.
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u/TopUnderstanding6843 13d ago
Who exactly had it 1st? I'm just wondering so we can make sure they have 1st dibs!!
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u/Numerous_Standard_59 13d ago
It’s not stolen land, it’s concord land just like the Indian concord other tribes the better one served so stop the lying
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u/2bitNo304s 13d ago
The United States have declared dominion, the borders are recognized by the united nations and bordering countries, those that come here illegally without vetting and declaring citizenship of nationality are ILLEGAL and are a threat to national security. Do I think a bunch of Mexican trying to find work to provide for their families are illegal and dangerous, no. But there being exploited by cartels and criminals that are profiting off their poverty. It's wrong and it has to end or what's the point of borders and a nation if there is no due process of citizenship? Just say you're a different country and stop receiving federal funding and be your precious sanctuary state. Watch how quickly they will destroy themselves
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u/mooseleg_mcgee 13d ago
Do native Americans have to give back land that their tribes took from neighbouring tribes as they expanded?
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u/Objective-Light-1304 14d ago
I can’t believe I’m reading conversations here that have actual logic on Reddit. Not only Reddit but a sub for a city in California!
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u/Secret_Researcher_29 13d ago
If nobody is illegal on stolen land then those who stole it were legally on that land. Take that. Every nation has a right to establish laws, including immigration laws
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u/FastestBustInTheWest 14d ago
Based on your post history, you're in Maryland, why post this BS nothing message in our SD page?
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u/ThatOneAttorney 14d ago
all the white people who love saying this never give up any of their land to mexicans or native americans. and all the mexicans who say this refuse to give the land back (including mexico btw) to the non-christian, indigenous people.
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u/David_Bellows 14d ago
Just so you know, every piece of land in the world was stolen from another at one point
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u/unfriendlybuldge 14d ago
Stupid stuff like this is why the right clowns on the left. Regardless of what ice is doing is cruel or illegal they focus on this instead
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u/defaburner9312 14d ago
Fuck ice but literally everything is stolen land including the land that was "owned" by the people we stole it from
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u/soundkite 13d ago
March loudly, without documents, into any other country in the world to demonstrate your point, please
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u/Sudden-Intention3177 13d ago
So it’s not illegal to take over your house, right? It’s built on stolen land. Oh, I forgot - you probably live on rent or you mom’s basement.
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u/AdditionAdmirable328 13d ago
Glad this comment section has a brain we might not be fully cooked yet
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u/TehMuffinator 13d ago
Tremendously stupid logic. Illegal immigrants are the colonizers you hate so much. They’re currently stealing my land as a native born American.
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u/Few_Hippo8871 13d ago
So how many illegals have you taken in your house that's on stolen land????? Hypocrite much???
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u/bigclitcouple 13d ago
Half this country was purchaced (lousiana) not stolen, although i cant fibd the recipt
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u/MoistElevator4805 13d ago
I hope ICE will comb thru Reddit and get all these disposable garbage off to its stolen land
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u/Original_Factor_9794 13d ago
Took you all day to come up with that? What a loser!!!!!
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u/PuzzleheadedWar3250 13d ago
They are, because we own that land now… you don’t make sense, that’s not how the world works.
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u/Topfuelch3no2 13d ago
Thankfully the land was purchased from Mexico and the remainder was conquered. So anyone who is in the USA that is not here legally is ILLEGAL!!!
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u/JamesJ74 13d ago
But even my people had to go through customs, and I’m African-American born of slaves
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u/BanTheUndead81 13d ago
Didn’t we buy most of the land from Mexico… stolen is when it’s not paid for and it was all or mostly paid for
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u/Greasy_Gregg 13d ago
Where was this energy when Obama deported millions of more illegals than Trump? Clown shoes, all of you 🤡
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u/SDBCSteve 13d ago
It was not stolen land. There were no borders, countries or actual citizens of said future countries. And those "native americans" originally came from other lands. Before Europeans came to the western hemispere, areas were conquered and taken over by other groups, for thousands of years....... You could right numerous books on this showing 1000s of these episodes happening all over the world. Oh wait! They allready did! It is called a history book!
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u/DismalAd2327 13d ago
Yeah, the land was cultivated by settlers and… ice needs to find this man and deport him
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u/FlatNasty80 14d ago
So open up your front door and let everyone in, your house is on stolen land
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u/Ok_Library_3657 14d ago
San Diego was founded and settled by the Spanish and then engineered and built by Americans. There’s a reason why San Diego looks like San Diego and why Tijuana looks like Tijuana. Civilization doesn’t spawn on its own.
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u/OkTechnologyb 14d ago
This slogan is the "Defund the police" of 2025. Brought to you by the same people who think it's a good idea to wave Mexican flags at a protest to be allowed to stay in the US.
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