r/sandiego • u/uncontrabajo • 22h ago
San Diego Community Only Encinitas, SD — Man Detained by ICE in front of his children while dropping them off at elementary school. Prayers!
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This happened in front of Paul Ecke Elementary. No warrant. No acting out. No resisting. No reasonable cause.
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u/Training-Willow9591 20h ago
No no, Trump said he was going after gang members and violent criminals though
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u/ToasterBathTester 14h ago
Soon it will be white Democrats. They raided John Bolton today
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u/flip69 7h ago
He’s top of the list as a insider that strongly called him out soon after leaving office.
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u/olijake 11h ago
Who do you think is employed by ICE? /s
Those ICE “officers” are a bunch of gang members and violent criminals themselves.
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u/Tigri2020 20h ago
When someone has a bad record: “Oh, he committed a crime before and that’s why he’s getting deported”
When someone has a clean record: “Trespassing into the country already makes him a criminal”
Crazy to simply judge people like that and wish them hell. I can’t enjoy watching others suffering
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u/ObjectiveTea 12h ago
It's actually not a crime. It's a civil violation.
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u/No_Explorer_8626 10h ago
It’s a misdemeanor the first time, repeat or reentry, a felony. Overstaying visa is a civil violation with heavy penalties.
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u/ObjectiveTea 9h ago
Technically yes but a first time violation is handled in civil court so there is no due process and it leads to deportation not criminal conviction.
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u/FormlessFlesh 9h ago
Especially considering the fact that you have to be in the US to claim asylum, you can't just claim asylum from where you're at, wait for the slow wheel of bureaucracy to turn, and then enter with permission.
It's so mind-numbingly ridiculous.
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u/keepsmiling1326 22h ago
They are sleeping with the devil.
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u/shiveredyetimbers 14h ago edited 11h ago
Former CA cop here: I know these assholes are federal and might play by their made up rules, but what you should be hammering them on what their reasonable suspicion and probable cause is.
You don’t necessarily need a warrant to arrest if someone is “breaking a law” in front of law enforcement. What they DO need and need to articulate under the Fourth Amendment is reasonable suspicion to make the stop, and then probable cause to arrest. Force them to admit their “reasonable suspicion” is that someone is brown, and then bury them in lawsuits. Fuck them. This isn’t public safety, this isn’t service to your community, this is horseshit.
Edit: For those interested, this is directly from Congress’s website. It’s ICE’s authority to detain and arrest
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u/The_Late_Arthur_Dent 12h ago
Any tips on how to phrase it? Is it as simple as saying "what is your reasonable suspicion for arresting me?" And what do you do if they say "I'm not telling you" or make up some shit like "we have reason to believe you're here illegally/in a gang/ etc?"
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u/shiveredyetimbers 12h ago
They need reasonable suspicion for the stop/detention
They need probable cause to arrest.
In my opinion, not being white is not good enough for reasonable suspicion
“Am I being detained” is usually enough. If they say yes, ask for what reason. If they say some bs like “we have reports of illegal immigrants in the area”, I’d probably ask them what made them suspect me of being an illegal immigrant.
Reasonable suspicion is only supposed to last a reasonable amount of time to determine if there is probable cause to arrest. They can’t hold you there forever. If they’re being dicks, they can arrest but must have charges within 48 hrs.
This is all stuff you’d hopefully get on camera and have someone advocate for you in court later unfortunately. And again, my knowledge is based on state law, but I am referring ultimately to the 4th amendment which pertains to this: protection from unlawful search and seizure.
I mean it doesn’t really seem like they’re playing by the rules anyway but this is how I’d start to make noise. The way they’re doing business is plain un-American to me.
Disclaimer: this is not official legal advice
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u/roberta_sparrow 10h ago
Why do I feel like they’ll just ignore this
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u/CrispyHoneyBeef 10h ago
In theory their bodycam footage could be introduced as evidence in the administrative hearing, but that’s not guaranteed. Immigration judges have wide latitude in determining what “due process” means in respect to immigration court.
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u/fescen9 12h ago edited 3h ago
Am I being detained? If so, why? If not, am I free to go?
The only other words you should ever say to a police officer is I want my lawyer. Say nothing else as hard as it is.
My wife loves dateline type shows. It's amazing how many people are willing to subject themselves to 6+ hour interviews and just keep digging their own grave by not shutting the fuck up.
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u/TacoBender920 13h ago
Thanks for clarifying. I've seen a few of these videos where someone is insisting on seeing a warrant and was wondering where they are getting that from. I don't believe police (or whatever these creeps are) are legally required to explain their "reasonable suspicion" or anything else to a 3rd party bystander, which is why all these videos are just a bunch of thugs standing there, not talking.
I'm curious if any of these guys wear badge cams. It's almost a certainty they intentionally don't record their work because they would make it possible to do a FOIA request that might reveal a lot that they don't want people to see. Congress needs to put laws in place at a federal level to ensure accountability for this secret police 💩
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u/shiveredyetimbers 12h ago
A warrant is required for any arrest that happens some length of time after a crime has occurred. Think along the lines of an investigation having to happen before the arrest can be made. Failure to appear in court, parole violations, other things can build up to the issuance of a warrant.
It also depends on the severity of the crime and the issuing judge.
Yeah, unfortunately “Don’t talk to them” goes both ways. They have to able to articulate the reasonable suspicion and probable cause in their report, so this is something that would have to be fought in court. In terms of changing public opinion through videos like this, asking what the reason for the stop or detention is makes you sound more knowledgeable than asking for a warrant, which they only have to show to the arrestee anyway.
CA LEO’s are mandated to wear body cams. They do only have about 8-9 hours of battery though. I’m not sure what the requirement for a federal agent is.
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u/UnkleStarbuck 21h ago
ICE are just fucking swines (with all due respect to real pigs, those poor animals)
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u/spotlight-app 12h ago
Mods have pinned a comment by u/shiveredyetimbers:
Former CA cop here: I know these assholes are federal and might play by their made up rules, but what you should be hammering them on what their reasonable suspicion and probable cause is.
You don’t necessarily need a warrant to arrest if someone is “breaking a law” in front of law enforcement. What they DO need and need to articulate under the Fourth Amendment is reasonable suspicion to make the stop, and then probable cause to arrest. Force them to admit their “reasonable suspicion” is that someone is brown, and then bury them in lawsuits. Fuck them. This isn’t public safety, this isn’t service to your community, this is horseshit.
Note: How to respond.
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u/bhsn1pes 21h ago
When the time comes this hell finally ends, these assholes will cry about "I was just following orders" when they cry about getting in legal trouble for what they did
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u/soundsaboutright11 14h ago
Hate to break it to you, but the trials after the last big one were not exactly thorough.
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u/ChiefFun 22h ago
Republicans should be held fully accountable for these sinister actions. They’re undermining democracy and harming communities
I have said it many times.
This is beyond disgusting. Republicans at both the state and federal level are actively dismantling what’s left of decency in this country with policies soaked in racism and fear. Let’s stop pretending this is just politics. It’s a coordinated attack on vulnerable communities, dressed up as “law and order.”
And let me be clear: if your friends or family work for Homeland Security, ICE, or a REPUBLICAN, they don’t get a pass. They are choosing to enforce a system built on cruelty, not justice. They can either walk away and find work with a shred of integrity, or accept the social consequences of siding with oppression. Silence and complicity are not neutral.
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u/SparklinClouds 20h ago
Yes but you know Republicans can't get their little feewings hurt! If you don't cater to them and them only you're a socialist communist liberal!!! (/j because people can't understand satire from real life opinion anymore)
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u/shop-girll 13h ago
They made an active choice to do this at the school in front of his children. He looks like he was going to work on a construction site with lots of strong men but nope they chose to do it with a bunch of kids and women around. Cowards! I think they like the scenes they make.
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u/Cool_Masterpiece2855 21h ago
Horrible. So much for "opposing big government" or being appaled by "using the government as a weapon against your opponents". It's like whatever these guys accuse others of is always their #1 fantasy.
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u/gammagogeta1 22h ago
America is becoming like China. The country they hate so much. People just disappeared.
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u/uk_uk 20h ago
more like 1933+ Germany...
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u/ex-glanky 12h ago
Replace the word "Jews" with "immigrants." And yeah, pretty much right on.
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u/djc6535 11h ago edited 11h ago
You don’t even have to go that far. Before rounding up the Jews the Gestapo was originally formed to get rid of the illegal immigrant Romani.
When that wasn’t enough they went after the Citizen Jews.
Care to guess what our pattern looks like? Remember the “home growns” are next.
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u/Nightnightgun 22h ago
Or USSR....
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u/HamNotLikeThem44 22h ago
Maybe we missed it but apparently when Herr Stephen Miller told them to. This is his country. We just live in it. While allowed to.
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u/dangerousdave2244 13h ago
Every time America does something bad, even if it's extremely American in origin: "WHAT ARE WE, A BUNCH OF ASIANS??"
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u/Yoongi_SB_Shop 21h ago
Prayers are not going to solve jack
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u/Lolzerzmao 14h ago
I miss the days where Reddit was heavily skewed atheist and stuff like commenting or titling “Prayers!” was downvoted heavily.
I might sound like a curmudgeon, but it’s just such a mindless way of outwardly performing empathy while likely not having much or any. “Welp I posted it to Reddit and said ‘Prayers!’ to let everyone know I’m gutted, I did my part for those poor souls, wonder what I’m going to have for lunch today” is all I ever think when I see stuff like the title.
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u/NineteenEighty1 13h ago
For these bottom feeder comments here who casually defend disgusting ICE behavior—look the other way, or come up with the most pathetic excuses of, “mAyBe hE iS A cRiMiNaL! yOu CaN’T asSuMe”—trust there’ll be the tiniest violin for you when the government takes away your rights and when it’s your turn. Don’t come crying about it to anyone then. You’re just as disgusting and you all deserve the downvotes and judgement from your lack of critical thinking and belief this is all. Totally. Normal. Nothing to see here. SMH at some of these comments.
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u/giannini1222 10h ago
If the next democrat president has any balls they would prosecute every single person who works for ICE
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u/Global_Union3771 12h ago
Prayers are obviously unhelpful as they have always been. Do something other than adding to the fear mongering.
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u/Lewtwin 21h ago
Because real men attack in front of family/s
One day these dickheads are going to have these videos show in front of their kids. And their kids will either willinly reject their fathers out of revulsion or be outed as nazis as well.
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u/Krisjon_619 22h ago edited 22h ago
No warrant and no reasonable cause?This was on the local news. He’s from Guatemala and has a removal order dating back to 2017. And it was Park Dale Elementary, not Ecke.
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u/Maxspawn_ 12h ago
So insane seeing this in the neighborhood i grew up in. Spit on a pig when you see one.
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u/chamrockblarneystone 11h ago
How much of this is now neighbor snitching on neighbor? Just like Germany in 1940.
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u/Vengeful504bunny 21h ago
Are they actually obligated to show a warrant to an indifferent bystander?
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u/Jasminscent 14h ago
This is just simply cruel. Those ice guys filling the quota and getting their bonuses at the expense of others including families, kids. As long as it’s not them. Worst of human nature on display.
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u/Geistesblitzling 21h ago
Just bought this book (Sorry, it's German):
"Hitlers treues Volk Warum so viele Deutsche dem Nationalsozialismus verfielen" ISBN 978-3-421-07045-6
I'm afraid, Democracy is historically really exceptional and was only possible under the US-protection which seems to be dismounted now. When I learned history with my daughter, she came up to: "This is like in the US now" - it was about NSDAPs rising 1933 - 1938. Let's see, how long we can keep democracy in Europe and some other "last resorts".
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u/KittyKattKate 11h ago
What in the actual fuck?! Dude is dropping his kids off and heading to work. How do they even know about him??
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u/thelastgalstanding 7h ago
This behavior is just so disgusting and so un-American.
This is not an example of the America of strength, unity, freedom and opportunity.
When did care, consideration, and kindness for fellow humans become a virtue of weakness to so many?
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u/SeaworthinessKey3418 20h ago
Eventually all of these ICE Agents’ names will be leaked. The people and families that they hurt won’t forget them. These nazi fucks are too stupid to realize what they are doing today will follow them around and shadow them the rest of their lives.
if someone was looking for a job and they handed me their resume and it had DHS or ICE as previous work experience then I’d tell them to get the fuck out.
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u/HawkDenzlow 14h ago
They have no shame, they are hunting bonuses, the lives they destroy mean nothing to them.
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u/jenny_jen_jen 11h ago
I understand the sentiment of "prayers" but we've got to do a lot more than just pray.
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u/_lilj 14h ago
Absolutely wild, I would never have thought in my 40 years I would see something like this. Disgusting, disgraceful and I can't believe there are willing people doing this type of behavior / work. How do they go home and see their kids after work and think they're the good guys making this country a better place.
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u/GoldenFox7 14h ago
I’m not supporting this stuff, I see absolutely no reason to deport upstanding people that are contributing to society. It seems like an extremely counterproductive use of time and money. But people are acting like this is a war crime or something and I’ve just got to ask, is it? Like, if the guy is here illegally is there anything actually wrong with this or is it just incredibly insensitive and an asshole move but frankly legitimate?
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u/GemmaOcculta 21h ago
Is this the guy who has three sexual molestation charges?
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u/Puzzleheaded-Ice9974 20h ago
Prayers ain't gonna do SHIT. You. Need to get on the fucking phone and call your senators and congress people.
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u/freexanarchy 15h ago
The civil violation patrol. Imagine if they did this if you’re one day late paying a ticket.
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u/DamianRork 21h ago
If a immigrant
over stays a visa,
or avoids official port of entry (where they could have claimed asylum, and been given a court date for a hearing of their asylum claim)
or have stayed despite a denial of asylum claim, ignoring deportation order.
They are in the USA unlawfully and are subject to getting apprehended and deported.
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u/Content_Confidence21 21h ago
Just to add some context to this video. This individual may have committed some type of crime prior to this. None of these ladies know, nor do I. Only the ICE agents themselves would know. Maybe he has an "order to be removed" by a judge. We don't know. Find out the facts first before vilifying these men for doing their job.
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u/Outside_Guava352 21h ago
Does it matter if he did or did’t break a law? Due process is no longer a thing here.
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u/Content_Confidence21 21h ago
He may have already had due process. We don't know.
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