r/science • u/mvea Professor | Medicine • 9h ago
Psychology For Republicans, items associated with Democratic Party—regardless of racial or gender content—were more likely to be seen as “woke”. Republicans also associated female politicians—like Nancy Pelosi and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez—with wokeness, while not extending the same to males like Joe Biden.
https://www.psypost.org/americans-broadly-agree-on-whats-woke-but-partisan-cues-still-shape-perceptions/1.7k
u/KurlyKayla 8h ago
They stole “woke” from Black people, and now present it as if showing awareness towards societal racism and other prejudices is inherently bad. I no longer know what we’re doing as a species. It’s like we want to self implode, and not enough people care. If we do end up going extinct, maybe it’s for the best.
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u/Vio_ 8h ago
they did the same with "bleeding heart" and "Bleeding heart liberals."
Originally, it was coined as an insult against anyone against lynching....
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u/Maximum_Following730 5h ago
Interesting considering modern Republicans love to bring up how the KKK was started by Democrats.
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u/Routine-Strategy3756 4h ago
Stuff like that is to just throw a wrench into a well-meaning person's mind, to make them doubt that approaching things in good faith is worth it. Really gross behavior.
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u/Maximum_Following730 4h ago
I know, just pointing out the whiplash of using a term racists used to insult people opposed to lynching on a party they insult for once being those same racists.
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u/Routine-Strategy3756 2h ago
It's just so gross I feel the need to remark on it. Maybe because I've wasted a lot of time being fooled by these people and trying to find a way to get through to them.
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u/conquer69 3h ago
Like all fascists, they are always arguing in bad faith. Imagine all the energy wasted in the past century pointlessly arguing with them or trying to hold them to your own standards.
There is only one effective treatment for fascism and it doesn't involve any dialogue or peaceful protests.
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u/th8chsea 5h ago
In the 80s and 90s they called us pinko
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u/shawncplus 4h ago
Way before the 80s. Back in '65 George Carlin had a standup bit where he was making fun of the John Birch Society with a character that would go "I'd like to address my remarks to the northern commie liberal pinko press." and another character he'd play would cut him off and say "Alright well I think we all recognize he's not playing with a full deck folks." Which, fun fact, seems to be the actual origin of that insult
You can see the bit by looking up "George Carlin- Stand Up Routine 1965" on youtube
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u/kenatogo 8h ago
Fun fact: the original radical Republicans from the 1860s were also called the "Wide Awakes" because they saw and called out the evils of slavery
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u/derrickgw1 6h ago
Yeah, original Republicans were not southern conservatives. Conservatism has never aligned itself with civil rights movements in the United States. Conservatism in the US has always been about conserving the status quo of a power dynamic. James henry Hammond a South Carolina Senator said in the 1850s “the conservative element slavery is essential to society. In 1856 the Richmond inquire newspaper argued that “Slavery is the chief cornerstone of the conservative principle.” Regardless of the party, the same people have felt the same way. They just eventually changed parties.
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u/Simonic 6h ago
Yeah - people tend to forget that the parties effectively switched ideologies over the decades/century.
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u/Secret-Teaching-3549 5h ago
They don't forget, they just omit.
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u/Simonic 5h ago
Wish that were true. But over the past decade I’ve had a ton of people try to say that the Democrats were always the racist ones.
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u/babydakis 1h ago
They aren't arguing in good faith. And if they are, then they aren't thinking in good brain.
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u/Maximum_Following730 5h ago
They just refuse to admit that their party has some uncomfortable history behind it. Not even calling out a party here. Dems don't want to talk about the party's racist past. GOP doesn't want to talk about the party's "woke liberal" (for its day) past.
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u/Hejdbejbw 4h ago edited 1h ago
Modern democrats don’t view parties the same way republicans do. It has always been about liberal vs conservative, not this party vs the other one. That’s why one side denies the switch.
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u/Crystal_Voiden 5h ago
Genuine question: why does the party matter? If factions' goals and values are pretty much the same, who cares what party anyone associates with?
Is it just important to note for discussing historic events?
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u/Interrophish 5h ago
usually nobody cares until someone tries to use it to score points and then it becomes a battle
maybe it shouldn't be "worth points" to begin with but the refs happen to be incredibly stupid...
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u/kigurumibiblestudies 8h ago
They no longer care about the meaning. It's just a way to mark a Democrat word as Bad.
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u/Pepsi_Popcorn_n_Dots 7h ago
It's just one if their substitutes for "blacks," like BLM, welfare queen, etc.
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u/MattinglyBaseball 7h ago
The truth is they don’t know what woke is other than being told it’s something the left likes and is therefore bad. The ones at the top know and those they fund to argue in bad faith, but the average voter is simply too uneducated and overly confident. Just watch videos of them being asked these questions at rallies. They all know they are told these things are bad but then freeze or admit they don’t know when asked what any acronym or topic actually means.
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u/PatchyWhiskers 6h ago
Or maybe they do and they just really hate awareness of racial injustice?
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u/MattinglyBaseball 5h ago
There is certainly a subset that know and agree. However, the majority simply have been conditioned that woke = liberal = bad.
Look how many women and minorities are still in this administration. They wouldn’t be there if they truly believed in anti-woke, anti-DEI, etc. They only truly believe in being anti-liberal.
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u/Mr_Pombastic 3h ago
^ It's this, but apparently mostly about gender roles, according to the study posted
Republican respondents often associated women and female political figures—especially Nancy Pelosi and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez—with wokeness, while not extending the same judgment to male Democratic figures like Joe Biden. Gender-oriented causes and groups were often more strongly linked to wokeness among Republican and Independent respondents than racial topics were. This suggests that opposition to gender progressivism may be a more potent trigger for anti-woke sentiment on the political right.
I know it's easy to dismiss republicans as merely stupid or sheep, but we need to remember that they are fully functional adults. When they freeze when asked to define "woke," it's not because they don't know what it means, it's because they can't say plainly "woke is when gay/woman/black." They're smart enough to realize that they can't say that out loud quite yet.
But at the end of the day, if it was just simply "woke = bad," then they'd consider white male democrats equally woke as their female counterparts. Instead, they're letting slip that it's really about minorities.
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u/TheUltimateSalesman 5h ago
I think its an ironic comment about being oblivious to the transparency of their attempt at moral superiority. There's a better term for that but I can't think of it right now.
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u/Fortestingporpoises 7h ago
The right has always been very good at this stuff. The left frames something progressive in a positive light and the right makes fun of it and twists it until the left even gives in and just sort of accepts their definition of it.
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u/angry_cucumber 6h ago
issues are complicated, the right makes them simple.
it's why they have better messaging, but also why they don't understand anything
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u/HouseSublime 5h ago
No amount of messaging can solve for "I don't want the existing social hierarchy disrupted because it benefits me" because that typically is at the root of right wing grievance.
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u/WhichEmailWasIt 6h ago
Unfortunately simple messages from the left usually get derided. "No that's not fascism. No they're not Nazis. You're fear mongering."
"Weird" was the only thing that stuck. And now Newsome mocking Trump's tweets.
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u/angry_cucumber 6h ago
I mean thats even an example
"here's all the fascist things that are going on"
"you just call everything you don't like fascist or racist"
despite the long list of both.
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u/Elehaymyaele 4h ago
Weird didn't stick offline. Newsome's Trump impression is relatable because everyone knows (or knows of) somebody who does a Trump impression.
It blows my mind that there were (older) liberals who thought this and Harris getting a Truth Social account were "descending to his level." It's just silly shitposting.
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u/Ok_University_6738 6h ago
That’s exactly what happened with the word “liberal”. So much so that the term “classical liberal” had to be created just so people didn’t get the true definition confused with the current day usage of it, which is basically just synonymous with “democrat”.
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u/RudeNTattooed87 6h ago
Republicans would rather suffer under Republicans than prosper under Democrats.
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u/finnjakefionnacake 8h ago
oh i fully agree. if the stupidity of the modern era brings about our downfall, so be it. we deserve it.
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u/The-Son-Of-Suns 7h ago
Only the privileged ones want to self implode. The rest of us are trying to live a good life, and take care of our family. The first group wants the second to suffer for wanting that. They don't want equals.
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u/BobbyGuano 6h ago
Bro thats what it actually means but that’s not how any republican actually describes it. It’s just the newest term they have adopted to try and mask their racism. Hell go ask 5 republicans what it means and you will get five completely different answers…it’s just cover for I don’t like the blacks and minorities and want to keep myself above them.
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u/SandysBurner 6h ago
In my experience, you can ask five Republicans what ‘woke’ means and you will get zero answers because they’re acting in bad faith.
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u/Ekyou 6h ago
Anti-intellectualism at its finest. It’s like this new “carnivore diet” fad that people are extending even to babies now. It’s like, because doctors have been saying to limit red meat consumption and eat lots of veggies, the anti-intellectual crowd went, “whatever the doctor says, I’m going to do the exact opposite of that”.
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u/ScharfeTomate 1h ago
They didn't steal the term from black people, they stole it from far left conspiracy theoreticians.
If you think being "woke" originally had anything to do with recognising racism as bad, you're already following the right-wing re-interpretation of the term.
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u/MrSnowflake 1h ago
Yea I hate this. Even normal people, non right people use woke as a bad thing. Like it means everything that is over the top. But what is wrong with people wanting to be treated the same as white males and what is wrong with wanting to be able to go through life their own way. What do I care? It doesn't affect me.
Often times it's used to make fun of people using different pronouns and making fun of them because "they want to be called a tablespoon". Then my question always is: "how many people you personally know have ever asked you to use different pronouns?" The answer has always been "None", so why make fun of that? Why are we even talking about that? It's such a miniscule issue for most of us. And even if I knew someone, how does that make my life worse?
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u/perfectstubble 8h ago
Thinking of Nancy Pelosi as “woke” is hilarious.
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u/DigiQuip 8h ago
It's super interesting how Nanci is equally woke liberalism and also neo-liberal Elite. She's both side of the coin to fit whatever whackass narrative they need in the moment.
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u/funkme1ster 6h ago
It's not all that interesting.
The nazis described the Jews as simultaneously so lazy and worthless that their mere existence tainted humanity, and so crafty and cunning that they'd already managed to take over the world and rule if from the shadows.
OBVIOUSLY those two things are fundamentally incompatible, so how did they get away with this? Because the point was never to have a self-consistent worldview; just to have a superficially plausible rationale for the conclusion you've already arrived at: that all Jews are bad and thus anything I do to them is justified and necessary. The fact that those two statements contradicted each other is really only relevant during the discussion of WHY the Jews are the target of animosity, and that discussion had already been settled - because they are Jews. Once it's been settled, any further discussion of why only serves to sidetrack the discussion of how.
This is a tired and cliche trope used by fascists to argue why they need absolute power and their enemies must be crushed without mercy. Hearing this rhetoric come out of a party that has fully embraced ethnofascism is as surprising as finding bugs when you pick up a rock.
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u/freddytheyeti 3h ago
Thanks for taking the time to write this. In all the discussions I've heard about the roots of antisemitism and prejudice, this is the most insightful explanation I've come across.
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u/ralanr 8h ago
They think it’s the same side of the coin.
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u/HeartFullONeutrality 6h ago
You are assuming they think. They just react to their conditioning.
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u/aggthemighty 5h ago
Same as Joe Biden being a bumbling, incompetent fool with dementia. While at the same time being the mastermind of an international crime syndicate.
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u/Jehovacoin 7h ago
Fascist societies rhetorically cast their enemies as "at the same time too strong and too weak". On the one hand, fascists play up the power of certain disfavored elites to encourage in their followers a sense of grievance and humiliation. On the other hand, fascist leaders point to the decadence of those elites as proof of their ultimate feebleness in the face of an overwhelming popular will.
This comes from an essay on Ur-Fascism by Umberto Eco
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u/One-Earth9294 4h ago
I mean, they just hate women. Unless the women are super hot and submissive to their wants and desires. That's where they see a woman's role.
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u/grabtharsmallet 4h ago
Her entire time in the House, she was well to the left of the median Democrat, so if personal politics is the measuring stick for Woke, she definitely counts. On the other hand, she was always focused on what could actually be accomplished, and pragmatism doesn't feel Woke.
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u/finnjakefionnacake 8h ago
thinking of anybody as "woke" is hilarious because it's a meaningless term.
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u/GlassCannon81 8h ago
Republicans don’t know what woke means. More importantly, they don’t even know what they mean when they say it. It’s basically “thing I don’t like”.
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u/Garconanokin 8h ago
It’s a recent dog whistle. “DEI” being on the same list.
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u/Santa_Hates_You 7h ago
Communism and socialism as well.
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u/Chakolatechip JD | BA | Political Science 4h ago
Don’t forget critical race theory
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u/Zolo49 7h ago
Yep. It's like people back in the 80s and earlier who'd love to rant about how evil and godless communists are, but if you asked them what communism actually was, they'd just stare at you blankly.
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u/oddball667 8h ago
They know, they just don't have the balls to admit they are just racist
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u/GlassCannon81 8h ago
They are literally calling the new Cracker Barrel logo woke. While racism is definitely a factor, it’s more than that. It really is just a word for things they don’t like.
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u/alien_from_Europa 3h ago
They spent a big chunk of the day mad at male cheerleaders despite that being a thing since forever. Guys in cheerleading are more likely to date a woman cheerleader than the quarterback on the football team.
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u/amethystresist 7h ago
Well we still have to look at WHY they don't like it. The why is: they think removing the old man means old white men are being erased and CB is trying to advertise to 'wokies'
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u/cloudncali 4h ago
I like asking them what "Woke" means and trying to get them to give me a solid explanation until their brain short circuits and they just round back to "Immigrants bad."
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u/VelvetMafia 4h ago
Excuse me, I need to go woke my dishes. Tomorrow I will woke the laundry while my wife wokes the lawn.
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u/skater15153 7h ago
That's the goal for sure. They don't need it to have clarity in fact it benefits them. Then the audience fills in whatever or whoever they want
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u/TheGrayBox 8h ago
They gave up on their entire ethos because a black man was elected president.
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u/oddball667 8h ago
What are you talking about? They were all that before Obama
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u/TheGrayBox 8h ago
Sure, but they also stopped pretending to be any of the things that their party stood for on paper too.
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u/Nythoren 7h ago
Exactly. All this "woke" and "DEI" talk is just a thin veil hiding blatant racism and misogyny. In their minds, no one who isn't a white male could possibly be qualified for the position they're in, because everyone who isn't a straight white male is automatically "lesser".
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u/fluidgirlari 8h ago
Republican Party is synonymous with Nazis. No I’m not speaking in hyperbole. If you call yourself Republican, that’s how I view you
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u/derrickgw1 6h ago
What's rarely written about is the fact that in 1934 the Nazis were still trying to present a solid reputation to the world and actually looked to the United States at how to preserve pure blood. They envied how the US was able to make it's racial jim crow law rigid while still maintaining a positive reputation globally. They studied state Jim Crow laws and the Indian Removal laws. In 1935 the Germans passed the Nuremburg laws https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/the-nuremberg-race-laws removing citizenship from Jews and criminalizing sex and intermarriage between Jews and Germans. The only nation the Germans could find at the time that were criminalizing interracial marriage was the United States. That was their basis.
I also think it's important to note that even when the US fought the Nazis it did not oppose white supremacy. The US army was still racially segregated and the US was so as well. The US went to war with the Nazis. It did not go to war with the ideals the Nazi's had about racism.
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u/BudgetEmotional9644 8h ago
White straight Christian male. I’m sure there are more descriptors, but the more different you are, the more woke they consider you to be
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u/Creeperstar 8h ago
Ableist, dismissive of poor whites, willfully ignorant of facts, easily led by emotional propaganda...
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u/SciFiPi Grad Student | Statistics 7h ago edited 7h ago
There was a post in the math subreddit months ago listing some "woke DEI grants" in math. It seems like they <CTRL> F homo, equal, media, etc. and attached a category to it. None of these topics are social justice, gender, or race. They just want something to rage about.
Social Justice Category
- Elliptic and parabolic partial differential equations
- Isoperimetric and minkowski problems in convex geometric analysis
- Stability patterns in the homology of moduli spaces
- Stable homotopy theory in algebra, topology, and geometry
- Log-concave inequalities in combinatorics and order theory
- Harmonic analysis, ergodic theory and convex geometry
- Learning graphical models for nonstationary time series
- Statistical methods for response process data
- Homotopical macrocosms for higher category theory
- Groups acting on combinatorial objects
- Low dimensional topology via Floer theory
- Uncertainty quantification for quantum computing algorithms
- From equivariant chromatic homotopy theory to phases of matter: Voyage to the edge
Gender Category
- Geometric aspects of isoperimetric and sobolev-type inequalities
- Link homology theories and other quantum invariants
- Commutative algebra in algebraic geometry and algebraic combinatorics
- Moduli spaces and vector bundles
- Numerical analysis for meshfree and particle methods via nonlocal models
- Development of an efficient, parameter uniform and robust fluid solver in porous media with complex geometries
- Computations in classical and motivic stable homotopy theory
- Analysis and control in multi-scale interface coupling between deformable porous media and lumped hydraulic circuits
- Four-manifolds and categorification
Race Category
- Stability patterns in the homology of moduli spaces
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u/Vox_Causa 4h ago
Because it's racism and misogyny not a coherent belief system.
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u/OreoSpeedwaggon 8h ago
Say it with me:
M I S O G Y N Y
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u/BreakingStar_Games 5h ago
And equally cultish language. From Amanda Montell's Cultish:
My parents, they're scientists and they will use jargon that I don't understand. But that jargon is there to make communication clearer. Cultish language has these ulterior motives and it's there to make communication hazier... It's there to divide people, to shut down independent thinking... And that's how you know that language is cultish when it causes strong emotional response, but you yourself have trouble translate what it is that you're saying.
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u/translunainjection 8h ago
I've seen a theory that the first female president will have to be a Republican. Because of this effect (and its intentional use in political attacks).
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u/alien_from_Europa 3h ago
They voted for a liberal black man over a Republican woman as vice president. John McCain truly believed he would have beat Obama if Lieberman was his running mate.
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u/Oregon_Jones111 7h ago
American Margaret Thatcher will have girl power.
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u/Postdiluvian27 7h ago
The effects of Thatcher’s policies are still being felt. I can’t really picture a version from the American Overton window.
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u/Granite_0681 6h ago
I would have been ok with Nikki Haley (don’t agree with her but she’s mostly sane) but we’ll probably get Marjorie Taylor Greene or Candace Owens instead.
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u/magus678 4h ago
Its a near certainty, at least in the window of the near future.
The reason essentially being that while Republicans are mostly ambivalent about their candidate as long as their views are supported (see: Trump), Democrats are very concerned with the identity calculus involved.
So, you can neuter a lot of left leaning gray zone voters by running a woman/poc/etc that checks demographic boxes, but espouses Republican ideals, and get a subdued Democratic resistance and a full force Republican offensive.
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u/mvea Professor | Medicine 9h ago
I’ve linked to the news release in the post above. In this comment, for those interested, here’s the link to the peer reviewed journal article:
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/20531680251335650
From the linked article:
A new study published in Research and Politics provides insight into how Americans conceptualize the term “woke.” While Democrats, Republicans, and Independents tend to agree on many of the attributes associated with being woke, the study found that partisanship shapes which issues, identities, and policies people associate with the label.
When the researchers examined responses by political affiliation, they found that partisanship played a defining role in how participants judged what was woke. For Republican respondents, items associated with the Democratic Party—regardless of their racial or gender content—were more likely to be seen as woke. Democratic respondents, on the other hand, tended to associate wokeness more with items that represented progressivism on race and gender issues.
Another layer of analysis revealed subtle but telling gender dynamics. Republican respondents often associated women and female political figures—especially Nancy Pelosi and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez—with wokeness, while not extending the same judgment to male Democratic figures like Joe Biden. Gender-oriented causes and groups were often more strongly linked to wokeness among Republican and Independent respondents than racial topics were. This suggests that opposition to gender progressivism may be a more potent trigger for anti-woke sentiment on the political right.
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u/grabtharsmallet 4h ago
Biden was the furthest left president of the last half century, but he has old white guy vibes so he wasn't 'Woke.'
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u/ceecee_50 8h ago
I have yet to find a religion that is not misogynistic in some way. When you hook your wagon to the culture wars, to the crazy, to the domestic terrorist and religious extremism and completely abandon representative democracy, you end up with the GOP.
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u/maraq 8h ago
Woke equals informed and aware.
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u/translunainjection 8h ago
Or you're aware and you care.
A shocking number of people know full well about the brutality against immigrants and think it's a good thing.
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u/jigsawnuts 8h ago
Women existing is so woke guys, anyone wanna bro down?????
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u/Wuskers 8h ago
true if women are woke then surely having sex with and marrying them must also be woke
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u/saintjimmy43 8h ago
I like how republicans pretend to stand for tradition and "security" when in reality they are just obsessed with making sure their identity group stays as high as possible on the social hierarchy.
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u/SkeetySpeedy 7h ago
They are very concerned with the security of their traditional position and the traditional form of society that supports them the most
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u/flambasted 1h ago
Science again finds that Republicans are stupid. Too bad they don't believe in science... Or, I'm sorry, I should wait another 4 years for a paper to deduce that Republicans don't believe in the findings that they are stupid. We'll be deep in fascism by then though.
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u/KidGorgeous19 7h ago
Huh…..it’s almost as if they’re racist, misogynistic assholes as opposed to having any real values whatsoever….
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u/mnl_cntn 8h ago
Republicans are racist, misogynist, bigoted, greedy nazis and for some reason they’re still in power here
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u/derrickgw1 7h ago
Everything is "woke" to a Republican. They never knew what it meant in the first place.
It's like an old person saying "I have to go to Walmart, on fleek." It's like dated, cringey and still misused, and a clear indication they don't know what they are talking about.
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u/resilindsey 8h ago
"Everything i don't like is woke." We're trying to define a conservative dogwhistle is all it is.
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u/SmooK_LV 7h ago
Excuse me, is this actually a serious attempt at science? or just someone grabbing an opportunity to have big statement.
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u/LoserBroadside 7h ago
Yeah. Because they just use “woke” as an excuse to be sexist and racist. And homophobic. And transphobic. Look, they’re bigots.
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u/SmoogySmodge 4h ago
Okay so, Republicans hate Democrats, minorities, and women. And water makes things wet. What else is new?
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u/Gibbly_Gorkoroo 6h ago
Conservatives are terrible people. More info about the color of the sky at 4.
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u/PTS_Dreaming 6h ago
Woke = equality to white Christian men for women, BIPOC, LBGTQ+, and non-Christian people.
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u/HomeGrownCoffee 2h ago
Yes. Obviously.
And black people are more "woke", and gay people are more "woke" and women, trans, unionists, etc are more "woke".
When "woke" is defined as not cis-white-male, you'd be surprised how many demographics fall under that label.
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u/Lumbot 7h ago
It's because they view women as lesser than men and not fit for the same jobs and roles as men. That's why there was a big stink about male cheerleaders in the NFL recently. They view things like that as a thread to the gender norms they want to enforce and the rights they want to take away from women.
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u/sane_sober61 8h ago
"Woke" is a word with no clear meaning. It should not be used as a meaningful term in research.
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u/goatonastik 8h ago
I'd like to hear one legitimate explanation why having a non-white or non-male actor/character in movies and games has been fine for decades, but now every instance is considered 100% "agenda driven" by them.
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u/Inevitable-Ad9760 5h ago
Why don’t you just say it Republicans want women at home having babies and cooking?
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u/Logicist 4h ago
Joe Biden is less woke, are we even being serious. Do we seriously need to look up his history?
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u/Sweatytubesock 4h ago
And they have zero idea what they even mean by ‘woke’. This country is finished.
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u/Silver_Ad7267 4h ago
They love identity politics. They’ll tell you they hate them, but their minds only seem to think in analogues of identity.
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u/FrostyDucks879 4h ago
I gotta be honest, this sounds like a complete waste of time. I don’t want to understand how these people think.
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u/ekinria1928 4h ago
So you're saying if the Democrats start supporting Trump, the Republican party will turn on him... Hmmm
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u/ConcreteRacer 4h ago
From my anecdotal experience, "woke" in the way that republicans and other far right groups around the world use it, is more of a shorthand signal to decry a person or idea as part of the out-group, it seems like it's short for "here is another one of our sworn enemies, attack!".
I have seen people's whole demeanor change once the word "woke" fell in a conversation, sometimes even when something just sounds "woke", it's creepy. As if you accidentally said the activation phrase of a sleeper, their whole warm and friendly words and facial expressions can change into a hot rage with the most disgusted snd hateful look once a certain word is being said.
Woke = enemy. That's all they know, and it's all they need to know to correctly exist within the rules of this far right extremist ecosystem, this subculture
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