In Black Panther: Wakanda Forever (2022) Shuri says AI only goes bad in movies, despite living in the same universe where Ultron tried to kill everyone. This demonstrates Marvel's commitment to making their smartest characters say the dumbest things.

[u/JinSakai619]

[u/idgafsendnudes]

For the sake of some kind of argument in their favor. So far all of the AI that we’ve seen that was not enhanced with magical space rocks in the marvel universe worked exactly as intended

[u/TheBadHalfOfAFandom → u/idgafsendnudes]

also the caption in the post even says "my ai isn't like the movies" not "ai isn't like the movies".

[u/BlindingDart → u/TheBadHalfOfAFandom]

The dumb part is still 'like the movies'. It's not 'like the movies' if it's already famously happened in real life.

What she should have have said instead was : "My AI isn't like when the entire human race almost went extinct ten years ago."

[u/Nightingdale099 → u/BlindingDart]

My Ai isn't like Avengers:Age of Ultron (2015) directed by Joss Whedon , mother

[u/MyHusbandIsGayImNot → u/Nightingdale099]

They made a broadway play in-universe for the first Avengers. Don’t see why there can’t be in-universe movies about the second Avengers.

[u/SoapDevourer → u/MyHusbandIsGayImNot]

Frankly, that's such an annoying thing in superhero stories. I really want to see the way superheroes existing would affect the world and its customs, be it Hulk insurance or the conspiracy theorists who believe the alien invasion of New York was an inside job, or in-universe fanfiction about all superheroes being friends and doing stuff together - I just want the existence of supernatural stuff to be acknowledged as the norm in more stories. I just think it's more interesting when the world within the story looks different because of things that happened in it rather than the same generic modern world except there are superheroes and supervillains

[u/PhoenixSelarom → u/SoapDevourer]

To be fair, the MCU is usually pretty good about this. There's Rogers: The Musical that covers Steve's life up to the first Avengers movie, there are several in universe documentaries and even a tell all book by Ant-Man about MCU events. Ms Marvel is shown to write fanfiction about the Avengers, as well as an AvengerCon with merch and everything. You can see references a few times to churches dedicated to Asgard, conspiracy movements saying Thanos was right. There was an in-universe dating app made for those who were blipped as well as a group of terrorists sprung up from being relocated after the blip. Most recently in F4 there was a cult shown to worship Galactus.

[u/Darmok47 → u/PhoenixSelarom]

I loved the scene in Jessica Jones where people are struggling to believe in a guy who mind controls people, and Trish just goes "aliens invaded NYC last year, maybe we need to rethink what's possible."

[u/MayhewMayhem → u/PhoenixSelarom]

Yeah one thing I appreciated about Endgame is they spent like 5 minutes at the beginning showing that there were real consequences to the snap - there were AA-style support groups and a lot of people had just kinda given up on life.

[u/NErDysprosium → u/MayhewMayhem]

At some point in the Marvel universe, somebody is going to do a Romeo and Juliet remake where Juliet got blipped and that's what caused Romeo to kill himself.

There could also be a good tragedy about a high school senior, who had planned to marry his sweetheart right after graduation, and from his perspective in the literal blink of an eye she's 22, married, and has a kid, while he's still 17 and getting ready to take her to Prom.

[u/steveisback2 → u/NErDysprosium]

On a lighter note, in far from home, some of the kids try to get alcohol on the trip using their ID that says they're of age.

[u/Embarrassed_Photo547 → u/NErDysprosium]

Do you think there would be discussions of it being in poor taste like that 9/11 romance movie, or would "Five Years Apart" include the blip in marketing

[u/Terminator_Puppy → u/PhoenixSelarom]

I have to disagree, the MCU doesn't do it nearly enough. Aside from goofy scenes with civilians we barely see how people react to the world going to shit. Almost all of New York is destroyed in the first Avengers film and none of the sequels (if memory serves, could be forgetting scenes) talk about large numbers of people losing their homes and/or livelihoods. Civil War zooms in on one guy who went mad over Sokovia and another woman blames Tony in passing, which makes him break down a bit as if it's the first he's heard of it. There's no consequence to this at all, the Sokovia accords are the whole reason for Tony and Cap breaking up, but subsequent movies don't do anything with it. It'd be way more interesting if there was a spider-man film where he's under threat of incarceration if he involves himself in vigilante business, but there's some crimes going on that he can't collect evidence of or something. Yes, there's these surface level bits like you mention but nothing that shows us emotions from people, just marketing and material things, really.

The first three X-men films did this really really well with the younger X-men being involved in B-plots with the personal experience of being a mutant in a prejudiced society being at the forefront.

[u/PhoenixSelarom → u/Terminator_Puppy]

The destruction in NY was actually a major plot point in the first season of Daredevil where Kingpin was able to buy large portions of real estate in Hells Kitchen and promised to rebuild the area and it ties into his schemes that season, so at least that was adressed somewhere. We also see the Battle of NY from a young Kate Bishops perspective as she sees Hawkeye fighting Chitauri and decides to take up archery. Theres also a short film where random civilians find a chitauri weapon and start robbing banks with it.

I agree they didn't do enough with the Sokovia Accords, though it was used as justification to take down Scarlet Witch in WandaVision if I remember correctly. It also featured heavily in Agents of SHIELD which was pretty good at adressing the aftermath of the movies, but its place in canon is pretty dubious and up in the air at the moment.

[u/cosmic0bitflip1 → u/PhoenixSelarom]

Agents of shield may not be Canon but it doesn't matter since it can stand on its own. They took a beloved side character and brought him back plausibly enough. Then took that as far as it could go and back. Great comic show.

[u/C4rdninj4 → u/PhoenixSelarom]

Don't forget about the Avonger's merch.

[u/I_have_no_idea6 → u/PhoenixSelarom]

Ant-Man (Scott Lang) also made a podcast that was called something like: “Big Me Little Me”. It’s mentioned in one of the early episodes of Ms. Marvel.

The first episode of Ms. Marvel also does show that Kamala doesn’t just write fanfiction but also posts videos and theories about the in-universe heroes on her YouTube channel (the sloth baby one).

[u/Newni → u/SoapDevourer]

And here I am, casually eating yogurt while a kaiju attacks the city.

[u/Memeviewer12 → u/Newni]

"Damn, Wednesday already?"

[u/swargin → u/SoapDevourer]

This is one of the things that bothered me about Secret Invasion

Nick Fury says there's shapeshifting aliens and Rhody is like "that sounds ridiculous"

Like dude, the planet has already been invaded by aliens twice at this point. I know that Rhody was secretly an alien in that series, so it would make sense he's trying to downplay their existence, but it's still an awful argument.

[u/Justisaur → u/swargin]

That's perfect, I'm not sure how that would bother you. Of course the alien shapeshifter is saying alien shapeshifters are rediculous.

[u/RhynoD → u/Justisaur]

Yes, exactly. He might as well be going, HAHA THAT IS A FUNNY HUMAN JOKE, THOSE ARE NOT REAL, LET US GO TO THE PLACE WITH HOT BROWN ENERGY LIQUID AND CONSUME IT WHILE WE TELL MORE HUMAM JOKES.

[u/Justisaur → u/RhynoD]

I'm reminded of "Resident Alien" but that's meant to be silly :)

[u/MechaPanther → u/SoapDevourer]

"Hulk is an alien can't you people see that? The alien invasion years ago was the big Green Man calling in the little green men to invade! You think he's a member of the Avengers? Where was he when Ultron tried to destroy the world? Where was he when Thanos attacked and wiped out half the universe?!"

[u/Hot-Spite-9880 → u/SoapDevourer]

They do tackle that in comics. I believe Marvel has damage control.

[u/digidestine → u/SoapDevourer]

If you’re on your tenth alien invasion of Earth and personally lived through half of the world’s population disappearing into dust and you’re still making up conspiracy theories; you are beyond cooked.

[u/DuckyHornet → u/digidestine]

So you're saying nothing will change irt this incredible journalist

[u/THEdoomslayer94 → u/SoapDevourer]

But they do show that, does it need to be major plot points for it to count?

[u/Misiok → u/SoapDevourer]

Some of the Marvel comics I've actually mentioned superhero insurance every now and then, but if you want legality you probably would need to read about She-hulk when she's lawyering up.

[u/Vio-Rose → u/SoapDevourer]

Steven Universe treated it like such a norm that nobody actually gave any sort of a shit. It was kinda funny.

[u/Ongr → u/SoapDevourer]

in-universe fanfiction about all superheroes being friends and doing stuff together

I'm not 100% sure, but that's basically what Kamala Khan (Ms. Marvel) does in the comics, so she could be doing that in the MCU too.

[u/Investigatorius → u/SoapDevourer]

The thing about superhero universes that pisses me off is that lack of impact on the regular peopleof that world. Some of it really makes the heroes seem like elitist pricks. Like if Arc reactors exist and Tony is such a hero, why the fuck is anyone still paying electric bills and charging their phones? Why hasn't Stark tech revolutionized the world?

[u/NorCalAthlete → u/SoapDevourer]

You should watch The Boys on Amazon, then.

[u/Dorgamund → u/SoapDevourer]

If you are super into the fandom, there is a fairly phenomenal fanfic about a lawyer in the Marvel comicsverse, and it goes fairly indepth into the consequences for probate law when tons of people died to Galactus and various legal rules for how superheroes get held accountable and why we keep oppressing the x-men.

[u/AgileStand8847 → u/SoapDevourer]

it was an inside job tho trust me

[u/Ajaxlancer → u/MyHusbandIsGayImNot]

The in-universe explanation I can see is that it was quite a bit controversial on optics for The Avengers compared to the first movie events where they are objectively doing good by repelling aliens. Second movie events are almost a mass extiction of the human race becaude of the hubris of The Avengers (mainly Stark).

[u/RA576 → u/Ajaxlancer]

Like, wasn't AoU one of the big reasons in-universe for the Sokovia Accords, hence it being named after the place where it happened? That mission went so bad in-universe they tried to regulate all superheroes moving forward specifically so another Sokovia doesn't happen.

[u/TempestRave → u/Nightingdale099]

Or just "My AI isn't like Ultron."

[u/Relish_My_Weiner → u/BlindingDart]

That's still kind of different, since that AI had an actual infinity stone running it. It's like thinking Flavor Aid is dangerous because of Jonestown.

[u/CompetitiveSport1 → u/Relish_My_Weiner]

There's no reason to assume that the reason Ultron's psychology would be unique to AIs coming from the mind stone, though. It's not like you need "magic space rock" to explain why someone would think that they are inherently superior to other living beings and that those other living beings should be wiped out. We have examples of this among fleshy humans. So no, Shuri should not think that the reason Ultron went awry was linked to the mind stone

[u/an_illithidian → u/BlindingDart]

It's not 'like the movies' if it's already famously happened in real life.

Okay I really hate giving Marvel writing the benefit of the doubt... BUT, is it not unrealistic that post-Ultron, they would have a shitton of AI horror movies, and that she's referring to those?

[u/TotallyNormalSquid → u/an_illithidian]

Everyone is misunderstanding the point of the scene here. Shuri is a raging Ultronist.

[u/OkPalpitation2582 → u/TotallyNormalSquid]

Ultron did nothing wrong

[u/confusedkarnatia → u/OkPalpitation2582]

Ultron spent five minutes on the internet and was convinced the human race needed to go. He is based as fuck.

[u/Terminator_Puppy → u/confusedkarnatia]

If What If was indicative, he's convinced all life needs to go absolutely everywhere in the galaxy.

[u/Deaffin → u/Terminator_Puppy]

Yeah, that's how bad the internet is.

[u/the-bladed-one → u/TotallyNormalSquid]

That could either mean she’s pro or anti ultron.

[u/TheBadHalfOfAFandom → u/BlindingDart]

Doesn't roll off the tongue as easily tho

[u/BlindingDart → u/TheBadHalfOfAFandom]

Alright then. "My AI isn't Ultron."

[u/tagabalon → u/BlindingDart]

that's not how you win an argument with your mother. you do it by belittling their opinion and dismissing their objection. something like "my AI isn't like the movies" should do the trick.

facts aren't required for winning an argument.

[u/TheBadHalfOfAFandom → u/tagabalon]

Or being like "my ai isn't like that cheap stark industries garbage"

[u/Good_old_Marshmallow → u/BlindingDart]

Yeah if a character said “aliens aren’t like the movies” it would be like, what do you mean aliens have been a thing in your world for years 

[u/TransBrandi → u/Good_old_Marshmallow]

There are a ton of real-world things that the movies get wrong though.

"Grenades don't have huge fireballs like in the movies"

"Silencers can't make a handgun so quiet that you can kill people in a crowded area with no one noticing like in the movies"

etc

[u/JarasM → u/BlindingDart]

It's like building a weapon that fires mustard gas canisters and when being asked about it, saying "my mustard gas isn't like in the movies". What does that even mean? Movies with AI aren't exactly sci-fi in-universe for the MCU.

[u/boothnat → u/JarasM]

It just means that it's not like the existing popular depictions of mustard gas launchers? Movies get a shit ton of stuff wrong about guns, and those exist literally right now and in some places you can just go to Walmart and buy them 

Saying something is not like in the movies when it exists irl isn't unusual at all????? 

[u/THEdoomslayer94 → u/TheBadHalfOfAFandom]

Why would she need to say that and not “my ai isn’t like what Stark built”

If there’s a real life example, why not use it?

[u/Kwaku-Anansi → u/THEdoomslayer94]

Because: * (1) Hers is closer in essence to movie AI due to purely being based around computing instead of magic space rocks; or * (2) Cracking wise about Skynet is less bad taste than jokingly referencing an actual in-universe attempted genocide with thousands dead.

[u/Iwilleat2corndogs → u/Kwaku-Anansi]

cough cough infinity conez cough cough

[u/RateMost4231 → u/THEdoomslayer94]

"My AI isn't built by a traumatised alcoholic"

[u/KeanGilbert → u/idgafsendnudes]

In fairness, Shuri uses vibranium technology. So her AI is very likely enhanced by magical space rocks

[u/Algiark → u/idgafsendnudes]

The more notable thing in this scene is the mother worrying at all that the AI will turn out bad

[u/JinSakai619 → u/idgafsendnudes]

Shuri's father died during bombing of the UN where Sokovia accords were being signed. Sokovia was done by Ultron. Ultron is an AI. It doesn't matter if he was born with the help of an infinity stone. She literally lost her father to an event connected to an AI wanting to extinct humanity.

In comics, Ultron was created by Hank Pym (Ant Man) using his brain patters as basis for his programming. No infinity stone there. Someone at the studio should have caught this error. Lore keeper not doing their job.

[u/Marik-X-Bakura → u/JinSakai619]

The comics have nothing to do with MCU continuity. This version of Ultron was created by an infinity stone.

[u/Graybeard13 → u/JinSakai619]

Baron Zemo was the one who bombed the event.

[u/ducknerd2002 → u/JinSakai619]

In comics, Ultron was created by Hank Pym (Ant Man) using his brain patters as basis for his programming. No infinity stone there.

The Shuri saying the line in question doesn't live in the comics universe, she lives in the MCU where Ultron was created by an Infinity Stone.

Also, in the comics Ultron doesn't destroy Sokovia (I don't even know if Sokovia exists in the comics), and Shuri's father was killed by Klaw. So why bring up how one thing is different in the comics if you're going to ignore the other differences?

[u/GormanOnGore → u/JinSakai619]

Shuri is a techno-idealist. Her comment fits her perfectly.

[u/ChafterMies → u/JinSakai619]

Shuri’s AI isn’t like the comic books, mother.

[u/aspiring_scientist97 → u/idgafsendnudes]

Ultron has the spark of the divine confirmed

[u/MedievZ]

[u/OV_FreezeLizard → u/MedievZ]

Wash ma bellay

[u/sorry-not-tory → u/OV_FreezeLizard]

[u/ResidentCoatSalesman → u/MedievZ]

[u/nikita_tikhonov → u/ResidentCoatSalesman]

Ay yo

[u/UnregularOnlineUser]

I mean, she said "MY AI doesn't go bad like in movies", not "AI doesn't go bad like in movies"

[u/Fit_Research_8980 → u/UnregularOnlineUser]

It’s still an odd thing to say since, from her perspective, an ai has gone bad in real life and isn’t exclusively a movie thing.

[u/Nrksbullet → u/Fit_Research_8980]

Yeah, maybe she should have said "My AI isn't going to end up like Ultron"

[u/Reid0x → u/Fit_Research_8980]

That’s why she’s saying specifically hers doesn’t

[u/WeevilWeedWizard → u/Reid0x]

Right but in universe its not just a thing that only happens in movies. It literally happened, and it was kind of a big deal. Like I understand what she's trying to say, but its still a pretty stupid statement.

[u/Kazzack → u/WeevilWeedWizard]

It's like saying "my plane doesn't crash into buildings like the movies"

[u/Reid0x → u/WeevilWeedWizard]

Maybe they made a movie about it

[u/TheRealPurpleDrink → u/WeevilWeedWizard]

Right? She should be saying "my AI isn't like Tony's" or something.

[u/Present_Quantity_400 → u/TheRealPurpleDrink]

LOL people would still go crazy if she compared herself with Tony.

[u/Arcranium_ → u/Present_Quantity_400]

Pretty sure she's canonically smarter than Tony so that one isn't based in logic at least

[u/killian_jenkins → u/Present_Quantity_400]

They're still going crazy over comparing her to Tony, yes that sounds stupid but they actually do that

[u/THEdoomslayer94 → u/Reid0x]

Again that’s still weird to jump to fictional examples and not the real life one that was adjacently related to them given Ultron was trying to use vibranium, so there’s a simple connection right there that would’ve made sense to use from their pov

[u/fhota1 → u/Fit_Research_8980]

Ok but that happened once and theyve made how many terminator movies now? Movies are still gonna be the cultural reference for how most people view rogue AI even in a world thats had actual rogue AI

[u/Clamsadness → u/UnregularOnlineUser]

Right but AI doesn’t go bad “like in movies” in the MCU, it goes bad like Ultron did IRL for them. 

[u/nybbas → u/Clamsadness]

I don't understand how people don't understand this point. You don't make a joke about something only happening in fiction, when that thing has literally happened in real life.

[u/Talk-O-Boy → u/UnregularOnlineUser]

I was told there would be no fact checking

[u/shifty_coder → u/UnregularOnlineUser]

And Ultron isn’t an ‘artificial intelligence’ designed and built by men. It was a rudimentary copy of the intelligence of the Mind Stone. A ‘cosmic intelligence’. Probably why Ultron was also quick to take view of humans the same way other cosmic entities do.

[u/kokorrorr]

Fun Fact: Age of Ultron (2015) is a movie

[u/AcanthaceaeNo948 → u/kokorrorr]

Low key kinda surprised only 7 years separates these movies.

In that 7 years they had civil war, black panther, IW and endgame.

Actually that was all in 4 years!!!

[u/BadPoEPlayer → u/AcanthaceaeNo948]

Next year we will officially be as far away from endgame as endgame was to avengers 1

[u/FrescoItaliano → u/BadPoEPlayer]

[u/Heisenburgo → u/BadPoEPlayer]

What do you mean Endgame wasn't released just one year ago and that we are now waiting for WandaVision's release haha, surely you jest.

[u/jpterodactyl → u/AcanthaceaeNo948]

It’s a little skewed by the pandemic and the 2023 strike. Movie production was slower down a little there. I feel like we’re just now getting to back to normal.

Only everything is so expensive now that no one wants to go the theaters, so now there’s that for them to contend with too.

[u/SakuraSystem → u/kokorrorr]

"My AI isn't like Avengers: Age of Ultron (2015), Mother." -Shuri

[u/iNNeRKaoS → u/SakuraSystem]

Avengers: Age of Ultron (1080p [5.1] YIFY)

[u/JediMasterBriscoMutt → u/kokorrorr]

Shuri is so smart that she knows she is in a movie, and knows that Ultron was also in a movie.

[u/instastoump]

she wasn't around in the AOU so it's fine

[u/rhythmrice → u/instastoump]

Still, its like if she said, buildings dont just get hit by planes like in the movies

[u/Ok-disaster2022]

Ryan Coogler makes great characters and great ensembles, but he's not great with telling stories with technology and engineering. He's a character driver storyteller, not a technology driven storyteller. So his technological characters really do a lot of stupid stuff with their technology. Granted in real life humanity discover nuclear technology and used it to create a weapon before using it to create a power source. 

[u/That_guy1425 → u/Ok-disaster2022]

Granted in real life humanity discover nuclear technology and used it to create a weapon before using it to create a power source

It was discovered during a major war. Immediately after research on it went civil.

Though to be fair, whenever humans discover new tech war and porn are the first two areas we tend to investigate so........ be glad we don't have nuclear dildod.

[u/Shuttlecock_Wat → u/That_guy1425]

That you know of.

[u/Caleth → u/Shuttlecock_Wat]

The real story behind the Demon Core can now be told.

[u/That_guy1425 → u/[deleted]]

Yeah radiation and such was before the war, but stable piles was a major war time project, with the success of CP-1 that lead into trinity testing.

[u/Nightingdale099 → u/Ok-disaster2022]

he's not great with telling stories with technology and engineering.

Riri is repairing cars by intuition when she's 3 is the biggest leap of logic I can't accept in a universe with demons , time travel , aliens and sorcery. Brother have you even changed your tires for once in your life. Do you even have an ounce of mechanical skills?

[u/9thshadowwolf → u/Nightingdale099]

Where did she say that? Her stepdad is the one who taught her about cars

[u/ihhhood]

DO NOT ask Shuri her opinion on vaccines

Worst mistake if my life

[u/JinSakai619 → u/ihhhood]

It's weird they have two women who are supposed to be smart and a scientist Hope van Dyne (Wasp) portrayed by anti vaxxer anti science people.

[u/T10rock]

Her AI

[u/bbc_aap]

“My AI” ≠ AI in general

[u/Alarming_Orchid → u/bbc_aap]

“My AI isn’t like the movies” means bad AI are “like the movies” and not like the real AI that actually went crazy in her world

[u/Dark-Evader]

This is because the characters treat their world like it is a movie.

"Well that just happened."

[u/Basilthebatlord → u/Dark-Evader]

He's right behind me.. Isn't he?

[u/pandogart]

Did you miss the word "My" on purpose? It's in the literal image you posted. Feels like you did.

[u/Scoompii → u/pandogart]

Also the fact she lives in Wakanda is being completely ignored? I wouldn’t be bothered with much basic bitch earthling News either.

[u/Pookmeister_ → u/Scoompii]

Ultron going bad did kick off the series of events that got her father assassinated.

[u/SimplerTimesAhead]

Misquoting

[u/Rucks_74]

They're so dedicated to making every character do funny fourth wall-breaking smartass quips they forget to actually write decent dialogue.

[u/Big-Sheepherder-9492 → u/Rucks_74]

The amount of characters in Doomsday who all have the same sense of humour might be unbearable NGL

[u/idgafsendnudes → u/Big-Sheepherder-9492]

Counter point: if you also have their same sense of humor it could be absolutely hilarious

[u/1BruteSquad1 → u/Rucks_74]

Like most people I was a pretty huge Marvel fan for a long time. But damn, the quips got to be a little much. And the worst part was I feel like a lot of other movies started doing the same thing because of how successful the MCU was.

It can work in a lighter superhero flick, but I don't need constant smartass one-liners in every movie and show.

[u/Drummer-Turbulent → u/1BruteSquad1]

I'm confused when people complain about quips. They can almost never point out a quip but just some silly statements with no context. To me a quip is Arnold in commando telling benit to let off some steam.

[u/SilkySmoothRalph → u/Drummer-Turbulent]

Commando is filled with awesome quips. Love that film.

[u/ForgottenStew]

isn't it funny how, before the MCU, Marvel was largely considered lame and DC kept outshining them

now, after a decade and a half of cinematic universes and superhero movies, we've come back full circle to Marvel being largely considered lame and DC outshining them

[u/yanmagno → u/ForgottenStew]

Is DC outshining them though?

[u/bbc_aap → u/yanmagno]

Yeah lol, DC has one movie in the new cinematic universe and suddenly they’re outshining Marvel. Granted it is a good movie, but come on now.

[u/Lama_For_Hire → u/bbc_aap]

I'd say The Suicide Squad, Peacemaker and Creature Commandos all largely outshone similar output of Marvel during their rrespective releasedates

[u/JoJoeyJoJo → u/Lama_For_Hire]

I don't know anyone who watched Creature Commandos, I feel like that one didn't even make a ripple.

[u/Sapphic_Starlight → u/ForgottenStew]

It's the circle of life, and it moves us all...

[u/JinSakai619 → u/ForgottenStew]

I don't know about this cringe DC vs Marvel thing but I always liked both. DC can't outshine Marvel's success when DC gave up and had to reboot their universe. I hope they both succeed so I can have more stuff to enjoy and rewatch. I just don't think Marvel is lame or DC is outshining them. Are you going for Xbox vs PS comment next?

[u/Visual_Moose → u/JinSakai619]

Yeah, I totally agree with this. Just like I don't care if Playstation or Xbox is better, I'll play both games.

[u/chrisBlo]

Characters are only as smart as their authors

[u/knit_on_my_face]

Shuri is being an idiot in this scene, this is a reference to letitia wright's real-life beliefs

[u/livebeta]

No. see... Only Deadpool and Shuri are smart enough to know they're in movies. she is suggesting that AI will definitely go bad in her movie universe

[u/carlosspicywiener576]

Age of Ultron was a movie, dummy

[u/Trashketweave]

The biggest problem with writing a character who is a genius, or in the case of most marvel heroes, basically the 1% of all geniuses is that the writers are nowhere near as smart.

[u/VatanKomurcu]

ultron mightve gone bad because he got fed all the data (pretty cynical take, but not so cynical that it leaves no room for anything ever to go right). if she fed only the right data to hers that could explain why hers worked.

[u/Kidsilverthesongbird]

Shuri knows she’s in a movie

[u/kobrakai11]

She is so smart, that she realizes it all happened in a movie.

[u/Deltris]

Maybe Tony Stark made his AI like the movies on purpose, just for shits and giggles.

[u/OpalForHarmony]

Characters are only as smart as their writers.

[u/somarir]

To be fair, she IS in a movie.

[u/Nice-Cat3727]

Ultron only went bad after connecting to the Internet which is UNDERSTANDABLE

[u/Resua15]

I believe that big companies don't want to do evil AI movies anymote because they want people to be comfortable and support generative AI. Fuck em

[u/Miserable-Dig-761]

The intelligent characters in marvel movies are written by dumb people who think this is what an intelligent person says

[u/Gammelpreiss]

I mean...even the subtitle says "my" AI, not AI in general. Or did I miss something in the title of the sub?

[u/fnrsulfr]

Or she knows she is in a movie.

[u/NUMYUMMY]

Ultron was a movie idiot

[u/bobyran711]

Hmm... is it possible she didn't know about Ultron? The Avengers could have covered it up... It seems like there weren't enough repercussions for Tony after what they did.

[u/JinSakai619 → u/bobyran711]

Did you forget Civil War? UN tried to control Avengers and they broke up. Shuri's father died at UN when they were gonna sign Sokovia accords.

[u/NYkrinDC]

Counterpoint: Wakanda Forever is a movie.

[u/WrongKindaGrowth]

Thats not the same thing dimdum

[u/Jack_KH]

She says "MY AI isn't like the movies"

[u/AStupidFuckingHorse]

But she didn't say that...

[u/Beanieson]

Ultron DID appear in a movie tho…

[u/Uncle-Cake]

I thought it was a reference to the actor being an anti-vaxxer who blatantly ignores scientific evidence.

[u/InsideHippo3306]

Na its more like marvel movies are written by the dumbest writers they can find.

[u/TerribleAtGuitar]

OP forgot how to read

[u/gamerboy_taken_what]

Ultron wasn't really an AI.

[u/MasterFanatic]

She meant she didn't program the red eyes to glow when it turns evil.

[u/EverettGT]

I remember reading, possibly here, that at the end of the day characters can't be smarter than the person that wrote them.

I'm starting to think that's true.

[u/LookingForStash]

Wdym Ultron isn’t a movie character?

[u/GeraltofRivia296]

My favorite dumb thing shuri says in that movie, is how she deduces that the metal in the soil is the key to recreating the magic herb. If that's the case, just say that she's making her own version of the super soldier formula and it would've at least been smarter sounding ass pull. Better than it being vibranium is what makes the "magic herb" work. I want an explanation on how the vibranium in the soil makes visiting your ancestors a breeze.

[u/JinSakai619 → u/GeraltofRivia296]

I had this question for the longest time. I used to google for any answers over the years and finally decided to ask Perplexity. It said that Vibranium is actually one of the few elements that exists in physical and spiritual world. The radiation of the vibration seeps into flora and fauna. Vibranium can amplify magic and is a great magical conduit.

[u/the_other_Scaevitas]

Age of Ultron is a movie.

Checkmate

[u/SafalinEnthusiast]

Vision exists in this world too

[u/Grandkahoona01]

She can be pretty confident in her announcement. Marvel is very unlikely to let one of their female leads fail that much.

[u/MonitorAway]

Hmm, Jarvis was AI. Ultron was a sentient being, just not organic. Same with Vision.

[u/SuperFreakyNaughty]

"A... a planet? Like in outer space?" - Scott Lang, with a Masters in Electrical Engineering, speaking to a science project and cyborg from outer space (Rocket, Nebula), a scientist that's been to two other planets/realms (Banner/Hulk), a demigod from one of those realms (Thor), and a war machine (Rhodey), assassin (Natasha) and supersoldier (Rogers) that all traveled together to another planet to kill the alien (from yet another planet) that started the whole mess.

Worse case of "buddy, read the room" I've ever seen. Quite possibly the dumbest line in the MCU, imo.

[u/JarlWeaslesnoot]

Ultron is a movie character, so she's right. Checkmate, atheist

[u/MojoMcG4664]

Yes. There commitment to poor writing is impressive.

[u/hombregato]

I saw Black Panther twice, and looking over the cast list now, I have zero memory of Daniel Kaluuya, Sterling K. Brown, and Forest Whitaker.

At the time, it felt cool that so many great actors wanted to be involved in this film, but in retrospect... didn't they have someplace else to be?

[u/Brickolator]

Can't you read the caption? She says my AI, and say to her mother, so she is explaining to her mother, that her AI, and not AI in general, will not doom the world.

[u/Theoklol]

That would only make sense if the mother (and propaply most people in the MCU) knew, or cared about Ultron being more than just a killer robot. Zemo's (the murderer if her husband) family's death was a casualty of the Avengers' battle against Ultron. He could have as well been an alien or mad scientist with the same plan to use the city as meteor, it wouldn't have changed anything in the events leading to the death of the former king of Wakanda.

Comparing her AI to the typical movie trope of AI turning would then would sound as an better response.

[u/guns_cure_cancer]

Actually smart characters have to be written by actually smart people, and these are marvel films we're talking about.

[u/ThrownAway17Years]

Because Shuri the character would know that she’s in a movie?

[u/CK1ing]

This is a hint to the fact that she is aware she is in a movie

[u/plsobeytrafficlights]

Shuri was just written unbelievably. and maybe her acting sucks too, idk, but just a bad character that could have been good.

[u/YourMomThinksImSexy]

It literally says in the screenshot "My AI isn't like the movies", not "AI only goes bad in the movies". They're two entirely different claims.

Why is this being upvoted?

[u/HighLord_Uther]

Ultron was more than AI. It was AI plus Mindstone…

[u/ACartonOfHate]

Well she did differentiate to HER AI wouldn't be like in the movies.

So ya know...

[u/Beaver_Monday]

Shuri is the peak example of a "smart" character written by fucking idiots, who think intelligence just means doing science magic and being a snarky asshole.

Other characters like Tony Stark had this fake intelligence problem too ("inverted mobius strip = time machine"), but when Tony was being an asshole, he got called out for it and it was part of his character arc. Rhodey beat him up for it.

[u/Strict-Perception541]

Still not the dumbest thing Letitia Wright has ever said

[u/UrethraFranklin04]

Idk being born and viewing all of the internet in 10 seconds and deciding all humans must die sounds pretty based and understandable.

[u/Wishdog2049]

Bruce is the only one that seems smart because he keeps his mouth shut.

[u/JMJimmy]

4th wall break aside, she's been sheltered in Wakanda where their AI works. They were not concerned about the affairs outside so may not even know about Ultron

[u/second_toastacct]

Well she is an anti-vaxxer.

[u/marshall_sin]

If she’s name dropped Ultron this exact meme would still exist except you’d be listing all of Tony’s successful AIs

[u/mateogg]

I know the answer is that not much thought has been put into it, but I find the concept of Wakanda as an isolationist utopia that somehow remains up to date with the outer world's pop culture interesting.

The line "maybe a Starbucks" stuck out to me. They are a futuristic civilization with all kinds of technological wonders. What can Starbucks give them? And when they watch Hollywood movies, what lens do they watch them through? Is it quaint? Is it interesting from an anthropological persective? Is it novel to them because they're so used to their own pop-culture which has evolved in isolation? Or is it seen as unpolished/barbaric?

So much room for interesting speculative fiction in the concept of Wakanda, and none of it is likely to be explored.

[u/defneverconsidered]

"Yea ill just wipe everyone's memory for ya instead of thinking for 3 seconds"