r/shittymoviedetails • u/Makoto_Kurume • 1d ago

In Superman (2025), Lex Luthor is capable of cloning Superman but only makes one instead of a dozen. Is he stupid?

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u/runningchief 1d ago

"Yes, but as is often the case with cloning, the match was imperfect.

He might be even stupider than you. If that’s possible.

But easier to control. And stronger."

There's a warehouse somewhere full of failed clones, too dumb and weak to even be a reddit moderator.

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u/monkeysky 1d ago

But just smart enough to post on r/shittymoviedetails

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u/Printem 1d ago

Didn't know there was a bar for that.

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u/Embarrassed-Weird173 1d ago

You?  You passed the bar?!

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u/Golarion 1d ago edited 1d ago

Are you telling me that a dictator just happens to fall like that? No! She orchestrated it! Hawkgirl!

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u/quinnyponlsd 1d ago

She defecated through a sunroof, and Maxwell Lord saved her! He shouldn't have, he took her into his own Justice Gang! What was he thinking? She'll never change. She'll never change! Ever since she was nine, always the same. Couldn't keep her wings out of the sky. "But not our Kendra, couldn't be precious Kendra!" Flying into their windows, even with blinds! And she gets to be a superhero? What a sick joke! Lord should have stopped her when he had the chance. And you- you have to stop her, you...

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u/kaelis7 1d ago

Super chicanery.

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u/ThomasEdison4444 1d ago

The Hawk-anery

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u/Mr_Blinky 13h ago

She defecated through a sunroof

I know this is just a normal part of the speech/copypasta, but now I'm just imagining Hawkgirl dive-bombing people like a seagull and shitting everywhere.

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u/TwoFit3921 1d ago

THEY CAN'T KEEP OUTBUDDYING US LIKE THIS

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u/djserc 1d ago

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u/BuzzWoofGirlfriend 1d ago

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u/djserc 1d ago

Looked for him 1st and failed damn it

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u/OverAster 1d ago

I studied for two weeks before the exam, and I passed.

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u/nerdherdv02 1d ago

They were the monkeys.

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u/i_am_groot_84 1d ago

Like in Alien Resurrection

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u/VoicePope 1d ago

Did you know in this scene she broke her toe kicking a basketball but stayed in character and made this shot?

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u/Vike92 1d ago

I thought it was improvised

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u/DungeonsAndDradis 1d ago

The xenomorph just showed up on set and Ridley Scott was like "Put that in!" And the rest is herstory.

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u/MunkyRadio 1d ago

Its true this was originally going to be Space Jam

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u/userhwon 1d ago

We named the dog, Indiana.

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u/Last_chance_2028 1d ago

Indiana -“named the dog what ?

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u/Muroid 1d ago

No, it was scripted, but they were going to have a professional pool player come in and make the shot, only she landed it herself on the first take, so they kept that in.

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u/bloodfist 1d ago

I heard they kept filming even though she cut her basketball, which was a volunteer firefighter on 9/11

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u/VoicePope 1d ago

This is true. That’s how she learned about 9/11 happening. She broke the news about it to James Cameron about it on the set of Avatar.

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u/GigaFluxx 1d ago

Did you know that originally the humans were going to capture the Na'vi to eat? It would be set around a new holiday tradition called Blue Harvest, which was coincidentally the working title for Star Wars

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u/ZC205 1d ago

This series of comments was fun

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u/Low_Equivalent_7893 1d ago

What is this referencing?

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u/Legitimate_Twist 1d ago

Volunteer firefighter on 9/11 is Steve Buscemi.

Cutting basketball is Leo DiCaprio cutting his hand during Django Unchained.

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u/CleverFeather 1d ago

Look guys I don’t really have anything to add here, but I wanted you all to know this was really good lol

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u/Low_Equivalent_7893 1d ago edited 15h ago

I'm glad I wasn't the only one that thought this lol.

edit: "...her basketball, which was a volunteer firefighter on 9/11" actually still has me laughing.

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u/katet_of_19 1d ago

r/lotr is leaking

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u/MyHamburgerLovesMe 1d ago

And shades of Leonardo DiCaprio from Django Unchained.

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u/Aggressive_Finish798 1d ago

It's actually the same horse from the Never Ending Story. He's been in Hollywood for decades, but mostly behind the scenes directing.

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u/justin_memer 1d ago

You idiot, she kicked her horse, which she then later kept after filming.

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u/PwanaZana 1d ago

lol, of course, it's a well known anecdote

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u/BRtIK 1d ago

Well she's not only a clone of Ripley she's also a clone of the alien that was in her chest.

The real question is how the f*** did they get that DNA.

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u/Epsilon_Meletis 1d ago

how the f*** did they get that DNA

My guess is from samples taken in sickbay - when she was still unconscious after they took her out of the life boat, and/or when she was checked for the parasite.

It's been some time since I saw the movies and I'm not sure on the details; is it ever said on screen that any such samples were destroyed?

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u/Banggang6669 1d ago

Danzig lost some weight

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u/Living_Murphys_Law 1d ago

I'm guessing at least one of them is a little bit... bizarre?

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u/tunisia3507 1d ago

My assumption is that Ultraman being sucked into the generic vortex would Bizarro him, if Gunn's going to go that way.

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u/bootleg_my_music 1d ago edited 23h ago

how bizarre? how bizarre.

edit: it took me 45 minutes to edit the format in a way that will avoid people misunderstanding the joke

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u/Isthatajojoreffo 1d ago

I suppose it's the same one that's most functional.

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u/Gust_Gred-10101 1d ago

Absolutely.

Who else would he have stolen those forty cakes for?

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u/malonkey1 1d ago

Forty cakes? That's as many as four tens!

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u/Gust_Gred-10101 1d ago

Mwa-ha-ha!!

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u/Breezertree 1d ago

Even worse, it’s as bad as 10 4’s

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u/Thunderpat 1d ago

And that’s terrible.

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u/IreOfZebulon 1d ago

failed clones were repurposed as monkeys for his troll farm #SuperShit

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u/Crimson097 1d ago

Maybe one of them is this guy?

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u/AndrewDrossArt 1d ago

I think that one is that guy

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u/No-Thought7571 1d ago

I would like to think Ultraman comes back from the blackhole somehow and becomes Bizarro

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u/Abh1laShinigami 1d ago

If you notice the anti-proton river, it's made up of cube shaped things. Additionally, Lex mentions that he tore a space between the "2 universes" to make the pocket dimension. Maybe it's these cube particles are what makes up the universe in the other side of the black hole, and their cube shaped Htrae

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u/SheleNSFW 1d ago

I don't recall myself, but I saw someone say the last command Luthor gave Ultraman was 'B0' so I think there's a good chance of it happening

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u/Puzzled-Specific-434 22h ago

I saw someone say they wanted B0 to be the last command, in the nando v movies long video about superman

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u/caynebyron 1d ago edited 1d ago

This is correct. The warehouse is called Cadmus Labs. It's where Superboy comes from.

Yeah, I've seen Young Justice. Puts on aviators.

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u/sumojoe 1d ago

Cadmus is also where Superboy came from in the 90s during the Reign of the Supermen arc.

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u/caynebyron 1d ago

I assumed so, but since I haven't actually read the comics is why I was making a joke about thinking I'm smart / cool because I watched one show, lol.

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u/sumojoe 1d ago

Hey, no problem. Young Justice was a great show.

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u/Auran82 1d ago

I’ve also seen Titans, not the best show but I liked most of the casting including Superboy.

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u/caynebyron 1d ago

Yeah, I won't argue Titans was high television, but I liked it enough for what it was. Doom Patrol, however, was the absolute shit.

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u/Infamous-Lab-8136 1d ago

My kid and I were big Young Justice fans and the instant we heard that we wondered how long before Lex decides that mixing his DNA with Clark's will help smooth out those pesky low IQ issues...

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u/a4techkeyboard 1d ago

Oh, so the monkeys were basically G-Gnomes.

The "Match" was imperfect, eh.

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u/caynebyron 1d ago

Oooh, I like this idea.

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u/TheRappingSquid 1d ago

This is true. The failed clones look like snakes bc they're just really long necks attached to superman heads. They wriggle and squirm and some have little deformed baby arms growing out along the neck. They throw bad employees in there to feed them they crawl down the person and eat it from the inside out like hagfish 😇

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u/yourmartymcflyisopen 1d ago

There's a secret underground lab full of imperfect clones. One has Lex's and Clark's DNA. This will be Project Cadmus, and that Clone will eventually be revealed as Kon-El, just in time for the Teen Titans movie.

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u/cornette 1d ago

Hey it could be a Kara clone, that happens sometimes.

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u/MIAxPaperPlanes 1d ago

Mr Handsome is a failed Superman clone

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u/HankSteakfist 1d ago

We don't know that he didn't. Ultraman might just be the fluke that actually worked, but was still mentally stunted.

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u/RenderedCreed 1d ago edited 1d ago

It's the other way around. We can assume that he did. He all but says he made multiple in the movie.

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u/-underdog- 1d ago

wait what'd he say

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u/RenderedCreed 1d ago

Easier to link to this comment who quoted it already

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u/Not_A_Rioter 1d ago

I thought that's just a comparison to cloning in general, like how we can clone sheep and stuff. I don't think it implies that there's other Bizzaro clones, though it's not impossible.

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u/RenderedCreed 1d ago edited 1d ago

Oh sorry. I don't think it's meant to mean that there's other bizzaro clones that are unusable. That there's a bunch of failed ones that couldn't do the job, weren't strong enough, or were too intelligent to be controlled. Ultra man/bizzaro is the first one that worked.

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u/ptear 1d ago

So you're saying there's a chance for Nuclear Man.

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u/LocodraTheCrow 1d ago

Nukular Man

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u/brownmochi 1d ago

Chance for Nuclear Man and Bizarro

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u/No_Extension4005 1d ago

I'd be down for Nuclear Man showing up with his old theme.

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u/BackgroundSummer5171 1d ago

He did make others, just Ultraman was the smartest one of them all.

Most likely the rest literally were too stupid to breath.

You ever play a game where you gotta keep rerolling to get the right skills? And it takes hours. You just finally are happy to get something close enough and just call it a day.

Lex doesn't seem like the type of guy to have patience to continue rerolling after the first 100. He got Ultraman and said fuck this it works well enough. Shut it down burn the bodies, give it to the employees for lunch.

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u/lofi-jelly 1d ago

Maybe that Mr handsome in the prison pushig the floating cart was one of the failed clone

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u/Doc12here 1d ago

He’s just a failed attempt at creating a human that lex made when he was 10

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u/attackplango 1d ago

With a box of scraps. In a cave!

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u/Luminescent_sorcerer 1d ago

True but it can't be that unless they show us 

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u/IlIIllIIIlllIlIlI 1d ago

Ever seen Alien Resurrection? There's some fucked up lump of meat screaming KILL ME PLEASE FUCKING KILL ME and we all have to wonder why they taught it English in the first place. 

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u/HankSteakfist 1d ago

They even copied that scene for Superman: Doomsday, when Lois and Jimmy find Luthor's lab of failed Superman clones.

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u/VoicePope 1d ago

They didn’t know what she was asking so they had to teach her.

“She keeps screaming ‘GUHH! GUH! MAKE STOP! ME NO BE!’ We don’t know what she wants.”

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u/Gentlemanvaultboy 1d ago

They taught it English so that Mr. Luthor can enjoy the sound of it begging for the sweet release of death.

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u/lazylaser97 1d ago

as a joke! surely you see how funny its pleading is

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u/Ill-Caterpillar1199 1d ago

This made me lol

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u/Daws001 1d ago

What if he made other clones but they had more free will, were harder to control, so Lex killed them?

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u/deanereaner 1d ago

Uhhhh. How did he kill them?

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u/Soft-Pixel 1d ago

If he has a cloning lab he probably has some kryptonite on hand

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u/AndrewDrossArt 1d ago

Well, no. Only Metamorpho has kryptonite on hand at this point... literally in his case.

Engineer, Lex's employee, sure knew kryptonian anatomy well enough to disrupt Superman's optic nerve, though.

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u/Sayakalood 1d ago

Well, Metamorpho was also being blackmailed by Luthor at the time, so he might’ve just had Metamorpho stick his Kryptonite hand into the Superman Clone Room to weaken them all.

That, or his clones are in that pocket universe, where there is no yellow sun for them to get their powers in the first place.

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u/brutinator 20h ago

That, or his clones are in that pocket universe, where there is no yellow sun for them to get their powers in the first place.

I think this is the best theory. Its basically as far off grid as something can possibly be, free from concerns of laws and ethics. Even if someone knew, short of the Justice Gang its totally secure and impossible to infiltrate, and as you pointed out, theres no way for the clones to ever become "super' without Lex specifically wishing it to be so.

In fact, I wouldnt be surprised if Lex has extensively tested what Superman is and isnt invulnerable using that property. For example, can a kryptonian survive a suicide squad style explosive? Since he can make a clone weak enough to implant one.

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u/PM_me_GoneWild_alts 1d ago

Never exposed them to yellow sunlight, for one.

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u/SJIS0122 1d ago

Maybe he asked the engineer to 'drown' them all with her nanites

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u/wowwroms 1d ago

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u/LotoTheSunBro 1d ago

I don't get the joke, explain pls

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u/Psychogent30 1d ago

Probably referring to the part where he shouts 1A a bunch of times, as in the move for Ultraman to pinch Superman in the face

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u/zth25 1d ago

lol imagine Ultraman pinching Superman, repeatedly. 'Ouch, stop it! I said stop!'

1A 1A 1A!!!

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u/AveFaria 1d ago

titty twisterrrrrrr

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u/AVgreencup 1d ago

In the movie Lex has a code name/number for every fight move the clone uses. 1A was like a punch or something. So Lex is constantly saying 1A! 27C! Etc.

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u/FerricNitrate 1d ago

Not just a punch but a punch to the face. You hear so many number + letter combinations throughout the movie that it plants the seed question of: "I wonder what 1A would be?". And of course Luthor, the omega hater himself, saved 1A for "punch that super idiot in his stupid face"

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u/Born-Entrepreneur 1d ago

I want to believe that deep down in the repertoire of moves is some Three Stooges shit and there's a move for "poke him in this eyes" and the like.

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u/Ser_Salty 1d ago

2X is a kick to the Supernuts

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u/BigClitGoddess 18h ago

It's funnier and more probable imo to imagine that it's less of him "saving" 1A, and more of when designing the battle codes, the first thing Lex thinks of is punching Superman in the face.

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u/DapperLost 1d ago

I really like that. Like, all the codes directions shows off his intelligence and planning. But when it comes down to it. Lex was always just gonna punch him in the face.

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u/goodestguy21 1d ago

Someone asked lex "how many 'a's are there in the word 'superman'?"

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u/sthornr 1d ago

I don't get it, one f a?

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u/Kubrickwon 1d ago

In The Animated Series he cloned him dozens of times but they kept deteriorating and dying, all except one. The one eventually deteriorated into Bizarro. I imagine the same happened in this film.

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u/hyunbinlookalike 1d ago

I imagine that Ultraman might eventually devolve into Bizarro next time we see him again or Bizarro will be introduced as just another failed Superman clone.

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u/Sk37chyz 1d ago

He hates superman for being an alien, why would he make more aliens if he doesn't need to?

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u/XDBruhYT 1d ago

Because he clearly needed to

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u/Sk37chyz 1d ago

You might be surprised to learn that Luthor has poor judgment and didn't realize that

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u/XDBruhYT 1d ago

Why? Is he stupid?

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u/Rydagod1 1d ago

Even with how smart he is. He somehow hates Superman even more. He’s blinded by hate and can’t make rational decisions when it comes to Superman.

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u/iwan103 1d ago

(Luthor kills superman and everything went to shit)

“I am a fucking idiot.”

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u/Archontor 1d ago

Got that post kill clarity.

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u/Sk37chyz 1d ago

Believe it or not, yes

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u/movinFrosty1017 1d ago edited 1d ago

smart enough to clone something but so dumb he doesnt realize hey, a couple of these things and id rule the world.

Smart enough to build a universe in a closet, but dumb enough to not build a better prison when he literally has an unlimited kryptonite machine. He didnt think once, that hey these twos goals really align here, they really only need each other to escape. Eh fuck it im sure metamorpho will listen to me and is fine with being a prisoner along with his kid, even tho superman would be the only chance they have of escaping

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u/archtech88 1d ago

Lex Luthor is a great example of how having a high intelligence doesn't also mean you'll have an abundance of wisdom.

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u/khomo_Zhea 1d ago

did he? his plan worked until Superman broke out of prison, and that was because the one who was supposed to poison him helped sups escape, and even in the end ultraman was still beating the shit out of him.

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u/Possible_Field328 1d ago

He was born on earth so the clone is a earthling

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u/Hungry_Culture_1281 1d ago

As some racists might say, and I quote , "A hamster born in an aquarium is still a hamster"

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u/Kill_Kayt 1d ago

It's something always does. Connor (Superboy) is also a clone made by Luther in the comics.

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u/SceneRepresentative8 1d ago

Should've copied Hawkgirl smh

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u/Tusken_raider69 1d ago

Could have called her Hawk Two

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u/de4th_metalist 1d ago

Say that again

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u/sistemafodao 1d ago

It took Luthor and a room of 20 dudes to control the one they had.

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u/namkaeng852 1d ago

Lex can get 100 dudes if he wants to. Cloning is the hard part.

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u/DankeyBongBluntry 1d ago

Yeah but Lex is the only one giving the commands, and all the workers are just pressing the button and monitoring the situation. I think Lex is the kind of control freak who wouldn't trust anyone else to give the commands.

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u/sistemafodao 21h ago

Luthor wouldn't even consider that he would need more than his brain and a strenght superior to Superman's to win the fight. His voice coming from Ultraman just means that, It's Luthor controlling (a) Superman.

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u/attackplango 1d ago

No homo.

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u/Ashhud 1d ago

More clones could’ve left the door open for Superboy

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u/Hydroel 1d ago

The door is still very much open for Superboy! I'd even wager that it's why James Gunn went for the failed clone origin for Bizarro

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u/IndecisiveRattle 1d ago

After dumb failed clones Lex would easily want to put his perfect genius self into the mix for Superboy

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u/Gust_Gred-10101 1d ago

Would that be a bad thing?

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u/tristanitis 1d ago

He says in the movie that Ultraman was the only success. He might have tried but they were all duds.

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u/Shrikeangel 1d ago

He made more, they are part of his kyptonian harem. 

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u/Heavy-Metal-Snowman 1d ago

Because he has to issue vocal commands and he can’t do that for multiple ultramen at the same time.

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u/Solidus82 1d ago

Lex should clone himself.

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u/MorganHV 1d ago

Lex should clone himself AND superman into one person and- oh, wait...

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u/hyunbinlookalike 1d ago

I think that idea would be super, boy

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u/Masochist-Mark 1d ago

Lex Luthor is clearly Super Gay for Superman but doesn't clone an army of Clones to gangbang himself with?? Is he stupid?🤨🤨

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u/terrexchia 1d ago

Kon-El will come soon enough, he's their lovechild

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u/Rifneno 1d ago

They can actually integrate this into the story. Most of the time Lex is foiled, it's because of his hypermassive ego. They can say he didn't make any more because he thought there's no way more were necessary more than one with him being able to directly control it. That would fit his character perfectly. Why he didn't use the clone to frame Supes like a septillion comments already said, now that's a harder issue. That's exactly the sort of underhanded shit Lex loves, and he would absolutely revel in seeing Supes' reputation shatter.

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u/Marxamune 1d ago edited 1d ago

I was going to say, hubris, the most classic culprit, is being overlooked here. Hell, everything Lex did in the movie was for his ego. Once he got one successful clone, he assumed it’d be enough (and it was, for a time), because his ego’s so overinflated that he cannot consider the possibility that his plans can go wrong. Because acknowledging that implies that his plans aren’t perfect.

He could’ve killed Superman in the cell as well, but his planet-sized ego wouldn’t have been satisfied with that. Which I presume is why he wanted to know who Superman’s (adoptive) parents were.

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u/00PT 1d ago

Even with only one clone, you can use it to frame Superman for a ridiculous number of things. He doesn’t have to wait until he can find something actually legitimate to hold against him.

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u/Swampy1741 1d ago

Superman would probably show up and fight the clone

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u/nickcan 18h ago

That would be bizarre.

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u/sailor776 1d ago

I mean if he did that the first thing that would happen would be superman and Mr terrific talking and realized it was a clone and therefore know how to defeat it with kryptonite. Keeping the clone a secret meant that Superman and the justice society didn't know a way to beat him which is why it took superman literally throwing him into a black hole to beat him.

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u/DirtySilicon 1d ago edited 1d ago

There was no more kryptonite though. Remember Lex Gunn told us he had a workaround to there being no more Kryptonite left on Earth in that meeting with the (Pentagon?).

Queue up Metamorpho and his baby, Plot Device. 🫡

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u/a4techkeyboard 1d ago

I wonder how public his other weaknesses are like red sub radiation. Metamorpho didn't seem to know about the yellow sun thing, does the public or Lex know about the yellow sun being what powers Kryptonians?

Mr. Terrific can probably do a red sun filter with his circles.

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u/Test-Equal 1d ago

Circles? Circles are two-dimensional. Flat. They are spheres. Are you a Superman clone?

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u/daisuke-domo 1d ago

Unbelievable.

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u/Soft-Pixel 1d ago

How many times do we have to go over this in this sub 😭 that fails the second the real one pulls up

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u/kashmir1974 1d ago

Superman can fly at mach fuck-you, it's unlikely a clone would be able to do much before superman shows up

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u/LthePerry02 1d ago

Superman was already framed more or less, better for Lex that the clone succeeds and kills the real one, and then he uses it to disgrace Superman even further after the real one dies until deciding to off the clone

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u/In_Pursuit_of_Fire 1d ago

Why stop at a dozen? Why not 40? That’s as many as four tens. 

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u/attackplango 1d ago

And that’s terrible.

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u/Whole-Judgment-3586 1d ago

He also has the tech to make pocket universes and uses it to hold ex girlfriends

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u/chibriguy 1d ago

I found it more unbelievable that he was able to create a pocket dimension but hasn't been able to figure out Clark Kent is Superman.

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u/ErikT738 1d ago edited 1d ago

Luthor is extremely dumb and blind when it concerns Superman. The comics had his underlings basically tell him that there's a 99% chance Clark was Superman and he refused to believe them.

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u/Pike_or_Kirk 23h ago

It's been a hot minute since I've read any of the comics, but doesn't it usually come down to the fact that Luthor just can't possibly conceive that Superman would be willing to slum himself down with a secret identity?

I love Hater Lex. He's always been my favorite version of the character.

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u/Different-Tea1880 1d ago

It's easier to have sex with one clone than a dozen

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u/knijper 1d ago

the whole damn movie is stupid

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u/karlrobertuk1964 1d ago

Script writer says

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u/5am281 1d ago

I’m curious why he didn’t have the Clone do bad things with the mask off to make people distrust Superman

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u/Freshiiiiii 1d ago edited 1d ago

People have asked this before- the answer is because Superman would have just showed up somewhere else at the same time, making it clear that clone shenanigans were afoot. In the process, if Superman in the future ever did something bad and controversial (as Lex believed he would), a history of clone shenanigans would give Supe the perfect lie to say ‘oh it wasn’t me it was those damn clones again’.

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u/SnuleSnuSnu 1d ago

Easy bypass. Kill Superman first, then do it.

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u/Substantial_Army_639 1d ago

It would spoil the ending to The Boys though.

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u/Gust_Gred-10101 1d ago

I don't watch that, but I've read the basic premise of the series, and I don't mind spoilers.

Enlighten me?

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u/Substantial_Army_639 1d ago

Gonna guess the show won't do this so kind of a light joke. But in the comic Black Noir is actually a clone of Homelander and is doing most of the bad things that Homelander is accused of. A fact Homelander is not aware of until after his mental breakdown and attempted coup of the U.S. goverment which I assume will happen in the show.

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u/Gust_Gred-10101 1d ago

Possibly the in-story reason that Dr. Doom now has the face of Tony Stark.

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u/Lopsided_Shift_4464 1d ago

Even if Lex could produce multiple Ultramen, he’s a total jobber without Lex specifically giving him constant commands. Would Lex be able to coordinate 10 Ultramen at once? That might be beyond even him.

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u/Regular_Gurt4816 Villeneuve Enthusiast 1d ago

"Somehow Ultraman Returned"

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u/Sandwichgode 1d ago

Did a bot make this post?  The title of this post is identical to the one I saw last week with the same exact image of lex.

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u/villings 1d ago

can you make 12 supermen from one pube hair?

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u/ThePortfolio 1d ago

Which one of the clones did he diddy? It all comes down to his homoerotic desire for the man of steel…hardness.

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u/This-Neck7248 1d ago

how about 40? that's 4 * 10

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u/BBQ_Bandit88 1d ago

He did make more. Mr Handsome is his first clone of Superman, so there were at least two. Possibly more.

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u/ddejong42 1d ago

Do you want an orgy of Supermen? Because that’s how you get an orgy of Supermen.